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Simple Questions & Simple Answers & General Resources (OU Edition) MK II
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Yep haha.
It doesn't matter lol. You can do whatever you want as long as you give legal moves/abilities/evs.
My team is having a lot of trouble with Gengar and set up sweepers like Gyarados, Latias, and Reuniclus (either that, or I'm just really bad at this, which is a probability). It's a sun team containing SpAtk Ninetails, Scarf Mamoswine, Sash Dugtrio, Trick Sableye, SpAtk Venusaur, and SDef Forretress. Is there any way i can adjust this team or adjust their movesets to get around them? (btw I want to get higher on the ladder before I post this on RMT, so that's why I'm asking here)
I've got a quick question:
In the past I have used Lucario both SD and Agility variants. SD lacked coverage while Agility struggled to break through certain walls.
At this point I've been considering Double Dance with CC and Ice Punch. This way, depending on my opponents' team, I could choose the appropriate boost and sweep.
I've heard arguments that he is too frail. However, Lucario is usually able to get at least one boosting of some kind. Also, it is not like Lucario is aiming for an SD and Agility; just one that will fit the situation.
Thundurus-T is able to run Double Dance if it only had a good secondary coverage move. Note that Thundurus-T is about as frail as Lucario. Lucario is actually bulkier thanks to those *1/4 resistances. So if Thundurus-T has the potential to run a Double Dance set, then Lucario should be able to right? It has the coverage and it has resistances to abuse.
So I want to know: What holds back a Double Boosting Lucario from being successful?
In the past I have used Lucario both SD and Agility variants. SD lacked coverage while Agility struggled to break through certain walls.
At this point I've been considering Double Dance with CC and Ice Punch. This way, depending on my opponents' team, I could choose the appropriate boost and sweep.
I've heard arguments that he is too frail. However, Lucario is usually able to get at least one boosting of some kind. Also, it is not like Lucario is aiming for an SD and Agility; just one that will fit the situation.
Thundurus-T is able to run Double Dance if it only had a good secondary coverage move. Note that Thundurus-T is about as frail as Lucario. Lucario is actually bulkier thanks to those *1/4 resistances. So if Thundurus-T has the potential to run a Double Dance set, then Lucario should be able to right? It has the coverage and it has resistances to abuse.
So I want to know: What holds back a Double Boosting Lucario from being successful?
luke's base speed is a lot lower than thundurus-T's, so i'm not feeling the comparison (not to mention thundurus-T can get both boosts if it leads against a typical deoxys, where as luke will NEVER get both). your odds of sweeping on a swords dance alone without ANY priority moves don't seem too high
speaking of Lucario and priority, i'm torn on wether or not to use Extremspeed and Crunch, replace Crunch for Bullet Punch, or use Bullet Punch over Extremespeed.
Got an eye opener from a Choice Scarf Tyranitar today, and Bullet Punch would help against Terrakion as well, but i still don't know what to do.
Got an eye opener from a Choice Scarf Tyranitar today, and Bullet Punch would help against Terrakion as well, but i still don't know what to do.
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There has been so much discussion over Double Dance Lucario lately and its always about him being physical. If you want true neutral coverage, use the special variant with Aurora Sphere and Shadow Ball and a Modest Nature. The SE coverage isn't much compared to Thund-T, but its neutral coverage is far better. Its also doubly SR resistant where as Thund-T is SR weak.
Physically, yea Terrakion is the leading choice for a Double Dance set.
There has been so much discussion over Double Dance Lucario lately and its always about him being physical. If you want true neutral coverage, use the special variant with Aurora Sphere and Shadow Ball and a Modest Nature. The SE coverage isn't much compared to Thund-T, but its neutral coverage is far better. Its also doubly SR resistant where as Thund-T is SR weak.
Physically, yea Terrakion is the leading choice for a Double Dance set.
I would say this is above average, this is pretty good of a rating. But the losses might make it harder for you to ladder quickly to the top seeing as you are a little over .500 in your W/L
I dont have latias on my team :P and im not sure if i should give up will o wisp for roar, especially since ninetails cant take most unboosted hits without dying anyway >.< why must it be so... "weak" yet extremely necessary?
Switching sableye with classic CB scizor may help.
It can either ko or make a huge dent in most sweepers with bp, and can u turn on reun.
As for gyarados, I don't see where your problem is stemming from. With half power stab, it seems as if most of your team should be able to deal with it
Ok ill try out scizor, but itll be awkward since i depends so much on sableye to cripple terrakion and other phys attackers. But ill get used to it.
Its not just any gyarados, its the one that sets up behind a sub. Since forry is the only one with an electric move and i have no phazers, it becomes a small problem. By the time i send out scarf swine to icicle spear it or stone edge it, the opponent will have set up enough to outspeed me and strike me hard with a boosted waterall (this usually happens later in the match, when mamoswine may be a bit worn down), and despite sun, it usually gets hit hard enough to be koed. Keldeo also semi applies, but hes extremely manageable under sun anyway.But neither are as huge as things like reuniclus, their pretty managable compared to that thing. Its almost always misplays and bad prediction that lead me to lose against those water types :P i know it shouldnt be a problem, but i guess im just really intimidated by gyarados.
I dont know, but i think it would go straight to ubers. Even pokemon will blissey, if it takes fireblast or overheat under the sun ,will take huge damage once its trapped in, irrc. Its virtually capable of trapping the entire ou metagame and firing off something from its 145 base spa to either severely dent the victim or outright ko it. And if its a sub or cm set, it can trap a something like forry, set up completely, and then proceed to wreck whatever is left of the other team. Its extremely scary, and would spark a controversy. And its not like its easy to get around like with gothitelle and wobbufet. It has pain split to keep it healthy too, albeit not being reliale.
Im theorymonning a bit, but if slaking were given skill swap, would it be allowed to stick here in ou or would it be thrown in ubers?
Honestly in this current metagame it may have a shot at staying. 100 base speed isn't that hot and its movepool isn't exactly amazing, return and double edge aren't exactly great coverage. It might be comparable to Kyurem-B with worse defenses defenses and better speed and a lack of a rock weakness.
Slaking would be UU honestly skill swap would make it a set-up sweeper and if you compare it to terrakion, Thundurus or any dragon dancer you would soon see why it is still a poor pokemon.
After "setting-up" it got 328 speed and 419 atk
After Terrakion sets up SD it got 346 speed and 714 atk
After Thundurus sets up NP it got 331 speed and 778 SpA
After Dragonite sets up DD it got 388 speed and 604 Atk
as you see all these pokemon offer a much higher benefit when setting up not to mention that they have better typings, movepools and actually good abilities while all slaking has going for it are great bulk and beastly looking base stats. It might still be OU because of beginners thinking it would be great uch like Electrivire last Gen.
After "setting-up" it got 328 speed and 419 atk
After Terrakion sets up SD it got 346 speed and 714 atk
After Thundurus sets up NP it got 331 speed and 778 SpA
After Dragonite sets up DD it got 388 speed and 604 Atk
as you see all these pokemon offer a much higher benefit when setting up not to mention that they have better typings, movepools and actually good abilities while all slaking has going for it are great bulk and beastly looking base stats. It might still be OU because of beginners thinking it would be great uch like Electrivire last Gen.
I agree that he wouldn't be that great of a Pokemon, probably low OU, and it's true that he takes a turn to set up, while better Pokemon can do the same thing. However his setup, while not as good as SD Terrakion in terms of power and speed at the end of the turn, Slaking with Skill Swap would also be crippling an opponent's Pokemon while also giving itself a possible boost. What if it got Magic Guard or Huge Power? Regenerator? Jesus that would be good. Even something simple like Pressure would be pretty damn good.
landorus i would replace tornadus on rain who didnt want to run a spinner
scarf/band arcanine would make it uber.
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