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Resource SV OU Simple Questions, Simple Answers Thread
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I’m around the 1600s-1700s where people start using tryhard/conventional shit, and I am somehow seeing the wackiest shit on ladder rn.
I’ve ran into
Sap Sipper BD Tera Ground Azu
Tera Ground Articuno
Fly Dnite
Life Orb Tera Flying Tera Blast Dnite
Lefties Dragon Rush Dnite
I’m gonna assume this gen has gotten so stale people are just splashing random lol xd shit onto teams. Right?
I’ve ran into
Sap Sipper BD Tera Ground Azu
Tera Ground Articuno
Fly Dnite
Life Orb Tera Flying Tera Blast Dnite
Lefties Dragon Rush Dnite
I’m gonna assume this gen has gotten so stale people are just splashing random lol xd shit onto teams. Right?
A lot of People run weird stuff on the higher end of the ladder because it catches common counterplay off Guard. Sap Sipper BD azumarill is a bit weird, but it makes sense when you consider that it can check Ogerpon-W and Rillaboom. Tera Ground Articuno has perfect coverage between Tera Blast and Freeze dry, the latter of which OU has very few resistances too. As for Dragonite, it has a lot of set variety imo, even beyond the standard Tera Normal ESpeed set. Tera electric + defensive variants are other types of DNites that I've seen other, better players use. In general, surprise factor works quite well on dragonite because it appears to be a telegraphed pokemon with Tera Normal Espeed, when that is far from the case.
Oh yeah, I'm the offensive Articuno guy lol. The concept behind it was that Freeze-Dry + Tera Blast Ground is absolutely absurd coverage in this meta. It's not even about the fact that it's basically unresisted, because a lot of other 2-move pairs can boast that. It's about the super effective coverage. Go down the viability rankings and look at the number of mons that are hit super effectively by either Freeze-Dry or Tera Blast ground. There are well-built and effective teams where literally every single member is hit super effectively. This is true of 3 of the current sample teams if you don't count Air Balloon Tinkaton. It's like actually nuts.
Edit: Also blasting Heatrans and Iron Moths is very funny
Is there an advantage to running Relaxed over Impish on Dondozo? Trying to make sense of the usage stats and see if there is some competitive advantage that I'm not realizing.
I suppose because Dondozo is so slow it can't outrun much of anything anyway, might be to get the jump on random Trick Room Match-ups once in a while?
Its kinda funny that the ladder OU hasn't caught on to Tornadus-T being a good Pokemon in OU. Like you see it a fair bit more frequently on the highest ladder but people on low or mid ladder just don't use it for whatever reason? Is it just the ladder being the ladder? Because I think Tornadus-T should have risen by now reflecting its current viability, even though it hasn't because of lack of usage for whatever reason.
What is going on with Tornadus-T? Are people only finding out its good just now at the end of the month?
What is going on with Tornadus-T? Are people only finding out its good just now at the end of the month?
This makes sense, thanks.
I saw a sample team that ran this zapdos spread
Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Hurricane
- Roost
- Thunder Wave
this may look all normal, until you realise its worse in every way to the zapdos on one of the smogon sets for some odd reason
Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Def / 152 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Roost
- Volt Switch
- Hurricane
- Heat Wave
Now the sets have different moves, but the spread for the on the top has slighty less defense, less speed which can’t outspeed great tusk and the same other stats, why would somebody run that spread when it seems to be inferior to the one below, is there actually advantages that i don’t know about, or was this a mistake by njnp
Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Hurricane
- Roost
- Thunder Wave
this may look all normal, until you realise its worse in every way to the zapdos on one of the smogon sets for some odd reason
Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Def / 152 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Roost
- Volt Switch
- Hurricane
- Heat Wave
Now the sets have different moves, but the spread for the on the top has slighty less defense, less speed which can’t outspeed great tusk and the same other stats, why would somebody run that spread when it seems to be inferior to the one below, is there actually advantages that i don’t know about, or was this a mistake by njnp
When a pokemon uses future sight, does it use what the initial damage of the user is or the turn before the attack hits? For example, if my glowking uses future sight and then calm mind, does it use the unboosted damage calc or the boosted calc?
As of Generation 5, Future Sight’s damage is calculated on the turn it hits the opponent. So yes, it would take into account any boosts that happened after it was first used, as long as you stay on the field.
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OK, follow up question. If an already boosted King uses Sight, then swaps, does it do the boosted damage then?
Also, isn't Supreme Overlord a worse Huge Power? Not that it's any less busted on King, but that's besides the point.
Future sight probably does not because (looking straight from Bulbapedia) 'Future Sight uses the user's Special Attack and the hit Pokémon's Special Defence at the time damage is dealt.' So, when you switch out after a nasty plot, your SpAtk is reset to normal. I am not completely sure though, so I will link the Bulbapedia page on Future Sight if you want to check.
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Future_Sight_(move)
That's what I figured as well.
You need 96 speed EVs to hit 200 speed and outspeed 252 EV base 50s like kingambit. If gambit is jolly you’d need 172 EVS in speed.
Thank you, I can mull the rest over with this info.
Does normal 
have any merits over 
?
have any merits over ?
Yes, while it lacks many of Slowking-Galar's useful resistances and Sludge Bomb, regular Slowking's resistance to Water and Fire, without the need to Terastallize, and STAB Scald, which Slowking-Galar doesn't learn, gives it a generally superior matchup against threats like Heatran, Iron Moth, Walking Wake, and Volcanion and allows it to spread burns, while the lack of a Ground weakness makes it better into Ground-types like Great Tusk.Does normal
- Hawlucha (with Grassy Seed + Unburden)
- Heatran
- Ursaluna (with Headlong Rush)
- Great Tusk (with Headlong Rush)
- Hatterene (potentially with Grassy Seed + Calm Mind + Stored Power)
- Gholdengo
- Kingambit
- Samurott-Hisui
- Zamazenta
- Iron Hands
I admit I haven't been terribly creative, although I have used Hatterene to great effect.
So basically, I don't need to focus so hard on Unburden, and instead focus on everything else that makes Grassy Terrain useful, like ground resists...like Neutralizing Gas Weezing over Levitate.
Yeah, Unburden isn't the only way to make use of Grassy Terrain. Earthquake being weakened, passive recovery, the defense boost from Grassy Seed, etc. can prove to be very useful to Pokemon without Unburden as well.