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NOC Small Street Game Thread - Ended- TOWN wins!
- Thread starter Duskfall98
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Well, I would think CS is the most scummiest, but that is based on a very short look on what he had posted recently. I don't have too much of a defense apart from the whole two night of tracker with nothing, I stood by my DS scumread throughout until he got lynched, priest is a bad role for mafia to choose over others (negative utility). I don't have much to offer either sadly, but if you keep asking questions I'll answer pending my availability due to exams.
Please explain why you think the mafia would choose a negative utility role and why you think this role in particular is useful to track versus say, cs’s role
I have both scum in four people. So I’m not going to put sam in a townpile
i dont know what youre asking
the game has been easy, where did i say otherwise? scum have not played well
I mean why would scum choose priest over other 0 roles like Neighborizer or Gladiator? It could work to try to clear a scum member?
Because this setup is one that always has a mass claim at some point, that's a factor in any roles scum would pick.
If I was scum, I would have picked the doublevoter most likely. I haven't done the numbers but if possible I'd get it with 4 scum, if not 3 is fine. Because, its a townie thing to claim, and a very strong power. That, or,
If I was scum, I would have picked the doublevoter most likely. I haven't done the numbers but if possible I'd get it with 4 scum, if not 3 is fine. Because, its a townie thing to claim, and a very strong power. That, or,
But as you said, choosing priest doesn't necessarily clear anyone. So would they rather have a negative utility role (can't quick hammer) and risk the fact that they still not might be town read? Or pick a role that has some sort of benefit at 0 cost so that they can get some use out of it even if they might not be townread?
stop it with the wifom omg
It's not WIFOM. I hate it when that's brought up as a "counterargument" when it's really just low effort thinking offered to dismiss any sort of critical examination of the choices that people make which very obviously are not 50/50s.
To believe that Drookez is mafia, you would need to believe (and I'm using Josh's words here) that the mafia took this role because they planned for this exact mass claim scenario and I guess that they predicted that someone would recognize that would be strange and write them off as town. Maybe they predicted that somebody would sub in for sanjana who would make that exact connection and have the exact thought. Having been mafia in mafia games before, I can say fairly confident that they probably did not plan for that exact scenario.
Obviously that's possible but is it plausible? There's no way in mind that's equally plausible to the obvious, conventional wisdom which would suggest that the mafia took roles that they thought would maximize their chances of winning. Why would you take a negative utility role vs a role of equal cost but that has 0 utility at worst.
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Josh's point about never killing as mafia is moot because if you're in debt that you very clearly need to get the points back in order to win the game, of which not killing is a better option than giving someone a bulletproof vest.
To believe that Drookez is mafia, you would need to believe (and I'm using Josh's words here) that the mafia took this role because they planned for this exact mass claim scenario and I guess that they predicted that someone would recognize that would be strange and write them off as town. Maybe they predicted that somebody would sub in for sanjana who would make that exact connection and have the exact thought. Having been mafia in mafia games before, I can say fairly confident that they probably did not plan for that exact scenario.
Obviously that's possible but is it plausible? There's no way in mind that's equally plausible to the obvious, conventional wisdom which would suggest that the mafia took roles that they thought would maximize their chances of winning. Why would you take a negative utility role vs a role of equal cost but that has 0 utility at worst.
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Josh's point about never killing as mafia is moot because if you're in debt that you very clearly need to get the points back in order to win the game, of which not killing is a better option than giving someone a bulletproof vest.
I don't think that losing the ability to hammer is a big enough loss of utility to suggest that priest is a role that mafia is unlikely to take.
I also think that the possibility of a massclaim should have always been a consideration of the mafia team and considering that DS was mafia he would definately think about it.
I also think that the possibility of a massclaim should have always been a consideration of the mafia team and considering that DS was mafia he would definately think about it.
I agree with this post but also I still would rather lynch drookez first
Scum did not pick neighbourizer so we're not in a world where their top priority was to maximize value/deny town utility
also for what it's worth DS clearly opposed mass claim and jordan dodged it altogether
also for what it's worth DS clearly opposed mass claim and jordan dodged it altogether
I mean, you could think that but I still don't see why a mafia would take priest. Priest = likely town yes, but not confirmed town. There is no value to mafia in taking priest and you are giving town better roles by taking priest. As also said by moody, DS opposed claiming. In any case, if you don't buy the priest argument, please give me another convincing reason why one believe I am a good vote and I will respond accordingly.
I'll just repeat again here that I've stood by scumread on DS.
Also if you need to get back points no killing is never a better option than giving me a bpv, so the main decision factor here would appear to be the tracker ?
That, or they thought it wouldn't matter and did not realize it'd give us one more mislynch
Give us a reads list including everyone and some reasoning, ty