Honestly, this thing is going to be walled by Ghost Types, so we should probably give it Odor Sleuth or Foresight to alleviate the problem.
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Smogoff CAP - Next Phase TBC (current progress in post #506)
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Horses aren't exactly known for ghostbusting (ever notice how the hit movie Ghostbusters stars no horses?), so I think this deficiency is in line with our concept.
I don't think we should give it Foresight or Odor Sleuth. Basically we want a broken normal horse.
Giving it Foresight/Odor Sleuth would hold us back from having a broken normal horse. Though that would depend on if we want a broken normal horse or a true normal horse.
extending the voting period to next friday so as to keep the schedule consistent. keep your posts on topic xox
this survived apparently
not sure how, but you like to see it
not sure how, but you like to see it
I know it's gonna be walled by Ghost-types but... It's a NORMAL horse. It's a necessary drawback I guess.
If we give it Toxic, it means it can badly poison Toxapex right?
Wait... But... We need Corrosion to do that. Or should we just give it a new ability that's basically Corrosion + Normalize?
I think we will finish sooner than that, don't worry. Let's just wait until next Friday
I might just be stupid bc i thought a normal toxic would be able to poison steel/poison types.
Not a bad idea I guess, but Mega Kick is hella inaccurate (only Focus Blast is less accurate as I remember?). My idea is that Anthrax is the same thing as Toxic except it lowers the foe's Def and Sp. Def and can kill Poison/Steel types. It will make Toxapex (and pretty much any other wall) vulnerable to our Horse.
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No, it cannot. You need CORROSION.I might just be stupid bc i thought a normal toxic would be able to poison steel/poison types.
252+ Atk Normalize Mudsdale Mega Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 165-195 (54.2 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Normalize Mudsdale High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 130-154 (42.7 - 50.6%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO
I understand Normalize is a bad ability now. (Mudsdale is the horse, with my stat spread)
252+ Atk Normalize Mudsdale High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 130-154 (42.7 - 50.6%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO
I understand Normalize is a bad ability now. (Mudsdale is the horse, with my stat spread)
This seems like a good idea to make our horse more powerful.
What if it does damage THEN badly poison the target?
Looks like a good idea. Maybe retool its ability or something to allow it to always Anthrax the target after attacking. Or create a horse-exclusive item that allows it to do just that.
This is less of Normalize being a bad ability and more of Toxapex being one of the best defensive walls in the game.
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Normalize Mudsdale High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 258-304 (65.4 - 77.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Normalize Mudsdale High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 198-234 (50.2 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Normalize Mudsdale High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mewtwo: 319-376 (90.3 - 106.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Normalize Mudsdale High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 157-186 (51.6 - 61.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Normalize Mudsdale Mega Kick vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Eternatus: 385-454 (91.4 - 107.8%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Normalize Mudsdale Mega Kick vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Lugia: 297-349 (71.3 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Normalize Mudsdale Mega Kick vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Groudon: 211-249 (52.6 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
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252+ Atk Silk Scarf Normalize Mudsdale High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Cinderace: 370-436 (122.9 - 144.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Normalize Mudsdale High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magearna: 130-153 (43.1 - 50.8%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Normalize Mudsdale High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pikachu: 597-703 (282.9 - 333.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Normalize Mudsdale Mega Kick vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyurem-White: 403-475 (103 - 121.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Normalize Mudsdale Mega Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Onix: 63-75 (22.9 - 27.3%) -- 63.4% chance to 4HKO
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252+ Atk Normalize Mudsdale Double Iron Bash (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 168-200 (55.2 - 65.7%) -- approx. 2HKO
(Double Iron Bash is a stand-in for Double Horse Kick due to similar power, and Mudsdale is Normal-type and has the same stats)
You missed that Double Horse Kick is a "SPECIAL MOVE!1!11!11!" and ignores all abilities on the field, so Normalize should not affect this calc. I don't see a Horse-type on the horse, but I did a separate calc with STAB anyway. Unfortunately the Silk Scarf only boosts Normal-type attacks.
252+ SpA Mudsdale Double Iron Bash (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Toxapex: 78-92 (25.6 - 30.2%) -- approx. 4HKO
252+ SpA Mudsdale (STAB) Double Iron Bash (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Toxapex: 116-138 (38.1 - 45.3%) -- approx. 3HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mudsdale (STAB) Double Iron Bash (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Toxapex: 170-204 (55.9 - 67.1%) -- approx. 2HKO
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It says special in your description, not physical or status. Since the horse-type didn't exist in generations before the physical/special split happened, there are really no other inferences we can go off of.
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