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Smogoff CAP - Next Phase TBC (current progress in post #506)
- Thread starter BIG ASHLEY
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Can we disqualify it for lack of essential info?
Ok thanks. Toxapex is just really strong.
252+ Atk Normalize Mudsdale Mega Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 138-163 (45.3 - 53.6%) -- 40.2% chance to 2HKO
(Assuming that the horse is going to know Mega Kick since LordThemberchaud did not list any moves)
Which one? The Double Horse Kick?
Yeah, that one.
Ok I guess
I think you have submitted this one previously?
Don't worry, maybe Anthrax can handle that too if our horse got the move.
If so, then our horse will now be the most annoying PP staller
How? It's not like our horse has Pressure or anything, or can trap opponents. Does Anthrax do the magic?
It seems like it would be an OP move, if our horse gets SubTect it would be the bane of our existence
I believe Anthrax would kill any opponents before their PP runs out. Or the opponents can just switch out. But still, if someone manages to hurt our horse, most sets have decent bulk.
Sorry I meant Toxic staller...
Which is why I believe the Anthrax concept needs to be reworked. Having a (presumably) legendary horse with godly base stats, an almost unstoppable Toxic, and other high BP moves makes it only weak to ghost types, meaning almost every team in the Ubers tier has to run a ghost type of they might get trampled (haha get it) by this horsey.
Would you want our horsey to be the next AG banworthy mon? IDK
We wanted to make a broken normal horse (Uber level), but it might be possible to retool Anthrax or not include it in our horse's moveset.
I looked up usage stats and only around 30% run Calyrex-S (the most common Ghost mon)
Also, even if Calyrex-S manages to hit us, most stat spreads still have decent bulk.
I don't think anyone said broken, since the concept was to make a normal horse and not the most broken pokemon ever. Personally I think the current goals are misguided. It's fine if it doesn't OHKO Toxapex or can't beat ghosts, because it doesn't need to. Every pokemon has its natural balance of strengths and weaknesses, things we can switch in on and things we need to switch out of, and we shouldn't go out of our way to remove that aspect of the game. With running Normalize, we accept having natural threats in ghosts/rocks/steel and removing super-effective hits, but this also allows us to land boosted STAB unresisted hits on everything else, which can be staggeringly powerful when these threats are out of the picture.
i dont think it matters at all if we can ohko or 2hko toxapex or whatever. thats missing the forest for the trees. as long as weve got a horse with a gentle disposition and a strong constitution, then were gonna be just fine. lets stop worrying about toxapex and anthrax for a moment and just feed this baby some hay, toss a saddle on her, and ride her down the mountain trail, eh?
Duh! I think I'm starting to lose out. Just let Toxapex win for now.
How powerful should it be? Should it have:
- Meh damage, but catastrophic side effects? (like Scald)
- Powerful, but inaccurate?
- Powerful, but has recoil?
stats submission for HORSE: 100/130/90/45/85/110, BST 560
pretty normal spread for a pretty normal physically attacking HORSE. kinda bulky but not too much, kinda fast but not too much, hits kinda hard but not too much. idk what's relevant nowadays, maybe someone can optimize it for relevant benchmarks
pretty normal spread for a pretty normal physically attacking HORSE. kinda bulky but not too much, kinda fast but not too much, hits kinda hard but not too much. idk what's relevant nowadays, maybe someone can optimize it for relevant benchmarks
closed for counting purposes