I agree with thisI run the same set but with a Scarf.
I'm not even running it on Suspect though, I'm using it on Standard.
Shaymin is really quite underused, even with Mence running around (he isn't really even a counter).
I was actually thinking the same thing, and use(d) the same set in Standard back in the good old days when max speed Salamence was somewhat of a gimmick. Killing Heatran, Salamence, and sometimes Scizor with a Grass-type is hilarious, and even with 4/0 and a Life Orb it can still stick around for a little while due to its 100-across defenses and Natural Rest. Really, that set should probably replace this one, if you ask me...I'm honestly wondering why Shaymin is only #81 on Standard while he's in the 20s for Suspect. I suppose the fact that the Suspect ladder has only been open for a week is a a factor, but now that Latias is gone, Shaymin should be fucking shit up in Standard.
Honestly, I run a Seed Flare/Earth Power/HP Ice/Rest with LO and a 252/252 spread, and it murders things quite handily, including Salamence. Salamence seems to think he can come in for free against Shaymin, only to get a rude awakening (and then promptly going back to sleep, permanently).
You might say that Scizor is so common in Standard, and the lack of HP Fire is very bad. However, Scizor has to be very careful about coming into Shaymin's Seed Flares. If it takes a Seed Flare on the switch-in, there's a 40% chance of him getting killed by Earth Power the next turn.
I blame the outdated Analysis from when Umbreon was UU.Umbreon might not be a noob pokemon, but the people using it are
Umbreon | Move | Mean Look | 40.2
Umbreon | Move | Heal Bell | 8.8
I know, right?? And then you have noobs who see "OU" next to Electivire and Ninjask and they go "Electivire is better than Shaymin". Shaymin is awesome. I actually see no difference in its effectiveness in Suspect and Standard. I've been using Shaymin for ages (Much more than I use Celebeh) and it's never disappointed me.@Bologo:
Simply, the reason Shaymin is so low on the standard ladder is that people are put off by the BL label. It's really sad, because I honestly think that even though Celebi is more versatile, Shaymin is a better pick on offensive teams.
The reason he's so high on Suspect is that losing Salamence destroyed the Dragon/Steel metagame, making OU a lot like UU, with Grass/Fire/Water cores. Shaymin works well on offensive cores.
I don't know about the OU suggestion but it does hit hardcore! I've been using it as well. Like you said it is better then Celebi when it comes to offence. I didn't have that much luck with the sub seeder set though.I started using offensive shaymin and its really been fantastic. Offensively it's much better than Celebi IMO thanks to Seed Flare. Definitely deserves to be OU
After Nasty Plot offensive Celebi will be popular in the Metagame! IMO it's not a great gift to Celebi but it sure makes Celebi better then Shaymin!But what would happen to the status of Celebi and Shaymin when Celebi gets nasty plot?
Wouldn't offensive celebi with NP and 3 attacks/recover be a better choice of offensive grass type than our little hedgehog buddy?
then you are playing the game of will ttar crunch or pursuit, does it have a scarf etc. debating that is pointless and dumb. The odds are in celebi's favor that ttar is not holding a scarf, or will go for pursuit instead.that is not the point, scarf t-tar outspeed and ohko with crunch.