If you switch in Hippowdon on Balloon Excadrill and they SD on your switch, you could also Roar them out too, then Slack Off the damage (if something that can't significantly hurt you got switched in, like Tyranitars without Ice Beam).
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Smogon University PO Statistics — May 2011
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Love how everyone and there mum said Victini was going to move up to OU this month, guess its going to be condemned to BL instead.
Then again, Roaring it isn't going to fix the issue. It's still floating and it can just come in again. Woe be to this if you roar in a counter to Hippowdon by accident, which has happened every time I've done it.
About a year or two ago it was a Porygon Z was dominating OU. Now it only the 110th most used Pokemon in OU and less then 1% of players use it!
`I use hippwodon since it can be a failsafe to gengar in many cases
Hippowdon is also great, unlike many player think of him
Also after seeing PK team i think the theory that weather summoner = Weather team is flunked.
After all i use Ttar as a member but dont use ANY poke that resist Sandstorm.
I dont think that could count as a weather team
Hippowdon is also great, unlike many player think of him
Also after seeing PK team i think the theory that weather summoner = Weather team is flunked.
After all i use Ttar as a member but dont use ANY poke that resist Sandstorm.
I dont think that could count as a weather team
srsly?
fuck iono about that kira
ive been seeing a shit ton of sub+sd,jolly,252atk/252spe
fuck haxchomp
ive missed twice in a row...three fucking times in one single match against a haxchomp today
I've seen banded alot, SD is now outclassed by Excadrill among others. With these comments we may be starting a big Garchomp debate
It's not happening anytime soon. Tyranitar also gets that awesome movepool, massive attack power, Pursuit, and insane Special Defense to switch in on a lot of things it should normally be dying to, like Latios's Surfs/Draco Meteors. Speaking of which, the Lati twins are huge incentives in and of themselves to run Tyranitar, since it can trap and kill them before they can really do any dirty work, and on top of everything else it has going for it, like the Sand Stream that gives Garchomp his free turns and Excadrill his double Speed, you can easily see why it's so high in usage and likely to stay there for all of Gen 5.
You are over-exaggerating his 4x Fighting. The top 5 in OU ALL have x4 weaknesses. There are obvious reasons as to why they can make it into top 5 despite the x4 weaknesses. For example, I could just say Scizor/Ferrothorn is bullshit as well because Heatran and Volcarona are a couple of BAMFs, or say that Gliscor can't eat a single Ice attack and should get lost. Tyranitar's main thing is to kill off the Latis, and he has a 30% chance to kill Reuniclus, which is already a somewhat decent result.
The players playing are not stupid, Rayquaza. Tyranitar is the top of OU because it is THAT good, so everyone uses it. Excadrill also needs Balloon to setup in Tyranitar's face, so that's out. Even if there's bulky Politoed, nothing is stopping Tyranitar from moving into one of Poli's counters.
Typing doesn't cut it for anything in the top 5, but Scizor falling to BL will be the most hilarious thing to happen ever.(it was BL in gen 3 but it had an excuse: the lack of Bullet Punch and Superpower meant it didn't have much to run)
The players playing are not stupid, Rayquaza. Tyranitar is the top of OU because it is THAT good, so everyone uses it. Excadrill also needs Balloon to setup in Tyranitar's face, so that's out. Even if there's bulky Politoed, nothing is stopping Tyranitar from moving into one of Poli's counters.
Typing doesn't cut it for anything in the top 5, but Scizor falling to BL will be the most hilarious thing to happen ever.(it was BL in gen 3 but it had an excuse: the lack of Bullet Punch and Superpower meant it didn't have much to run)
You mean the pokes that are 12, 40-47 and the one that doesn't actually exist except for DW? Whereas Latios, Reuniclus, Skarmory, Forretress, Ferrothorn are everywhere? And Tyranitar that Pokemon that has a movepool that stretches to the horizon; while Hippowdon has Earthquake and a couple fangs? I don't understand why either...
There's a much more obvious error in the calculations. Imagine that each of the weather starters had a 20% chance of appearing on a team. Adding these probabilities up, you're looking at a 100% chance of encountering some form of weather. Clearly this isn't true. Also, looking at PO's statistics, the use of Unnerve Tyranitar etc isn't statistically significant, perhaps making a difference of 0.1% in total. Not a big deal.
On an unrelated note, is it just me or is the Fighting type somewhat overrated in this generation? I hear a lot of people saying that Fighting is the new "best" type, whilst threats in the top ten like Gliscor, Latios and Reuniclus are all very hostile to Fighting types in general, particularly the new favorite Conkeldurr. I suppose on the surface buffs to Drain Punch and Hi Jump Kick make it seem more appealing, but then looking back at the 4th gen usage stats, Fighting types seem much more common compared to 5th gen. Let's compare.
4th Gen - August 2010
7 | Infernape | 160209 | 16.67 |
12 | Lucario | 128640 | 13.39 |
13 | Machamp | 124761 | 12.98 |
16 | Breloom | 117157 | 12.19 |
5th Gen - May 2011
| 13 | Conkeldurr | 61359 | 11.1825 |
| 21 | Infernape | 41804 | 7.6186 |
| 30 | Terrakion | 32672 | 5.9544 |
| 33 | Breloom | 28481 | 5.1906 |
| 37 | Scrafty | 26494 | 4.8284 |
Sure there are many more Fighting types available in Gen 5, but they don't seem to show up nearly as much.
I think that is because there are more fighting types to choose from, therefore every pokemon have a smaller percentage used then last gen and in the 6th gen they will have an even smaller percentage because there will likely be 100 or so more pokemon in that generation.
| 55 | Venomoth | 4625 | 3.3374 |
This makes me moderately happy for UU. Sleep Powder against the opponent then pull off 1 or 2 quiver dances then baton pass to something like Nidoking and you can win from there. I am not surprised he isn't used often considering people seem to prefer other baton passers to him. I am not too sure about it, but I don't think there is another Quiver Dance baton passer with Double Powder besides Smeargle.
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| 16 | Sawsbuck | 12387 | 8.9384 |
For rated UU it makes sense he is this high but it also makes sense that he isn't in the top 10. He may have Cholorophyll and Sap Sipper but he has 6 weaknesses and rather low defenses. Outside of sun he is outsped by most things and even speed ties with Arcanine, which isn't really good for it even though it has Nature Power (which acts as EQ in Wifi matches).
This makes me moderately happy for UU. Sleep Powder against the opponent then pull off 1 or 2 quiver dances then baton pass to something like Nidoking and you can win from there. I am not surprised he isn't used often considering people seem to prefer other baton passers to him. I am not too sure about it, but I don't think there is another Quiver Dance baton passer with Double Powder besides Smeargle.
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| 16 | Sawsbuck | 12387 | 8.9384 |
For rated UU it makes sense he is this high but it also makes sense that he isn't in the top 10. He may have Cholorophyll and Sap Sipper but he has 6 weaknesses and rather low defenses. Outside of sun he is outsped by most things and even speed ties with Arcanine, which isn't really good for it even though it has Nature Power (which acts as EQ in Wifi matches).
Actually, Whimsicott is faster, but no one use Speed Evs. It's useless most of the time.
But yeah, Whimsi is an average pokemon in general.
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While there is no best type, I'd argue there are best pokemon.
Also, Tar is used over Hippo because Hippo doesn't pose as much of a threat. Hippo can't run CB effectively, it's slower, it can't run special moves, it has less special bulk, etc.
In reality, whimsicott isn't used because it can't hurt grass types or anything with u-turn. Thundurus is also slower.
Celebi looks like it's well on its way to OU. And rightfully so - it's really impressing me these days with its sheer effectiveness and versatility. Nasty Plot is a beast of its own caliber, and those awesome resistances and support movepool still count for as much this gen as it did the last. We're also starting to need better checks to bulky Water types than just Ferrothorn, since Ferrothorn likes to get burned by random Scalds and Will-o-Wisps, then just sit there uselessly. Celebi? Natural Cure, baby. <3
It might be worth me rebumping the Celebi topic with ideas for now then if we want to discuss it some more.
Hippo suffer from Hype Backlash
If you know actualy it IS Ttar who reclaim the title as main Sand Streamer.
In early BW, everyone and their mother used Hippo and left Ttar in the dust.
Then some try to use Ttar and notice its versatility work so great and he can do everything and his typing dont really give big trouble
Then they and almost everyone use Ttar again
Go back using time machine or something to early BW, where ttar in UU is not very illogical
If you know actualy it IS Ttar who reclaim the title as main Sand Streamer.
In early BW, everyone and their mother used Hippo and left Ttar in the dust.
Then some try to use Ttar and notice its versatility work so great and he can do everything and his typing dont really give big trouble
Then they and almost everyone use Ttar again
Go back using time machine or something to early BW, where ttar in UU is not very illogical
It is, but it pretty much can only setup on special attackers, and it has only 1 attack to choose for type coverage(the 3 used slots are Frustration/Curse/Rest). Curselax doesn't suck, but with things like Victini flying around, it's pretty screwed for the time being.
So I'm guessing you haven't actually used CurseLax. CurseLax is absolutely amazing, including in the present metagame. There are still plenty of special attackers to set up on, and Snorlax really only needs one attack to go with Curse/Rest/Body Slam. Fire Punch is enough to hit everything that matters, especially since pretty much no one is using Rhyperior right now. Once you have one Curse in, even Hitmontop and Heracross can't OHKO you, and if you're close to full health, you actually threaten to KO them first because of the Defense drops of Close Combat. The only really, really reliable counters to Snorlax are Rhyperior and Sacred Sword Cobalion. In fact, with Thick Fat, CurseLax with one Curse doesn't even remotely care about V-Create Victini, so I don't really know what you're trying to say about that.
That wasn't my point. It was stated that the chance of encountering a SINGLE weather starter was 45.7%, which was the sum of all of the respective chances of encountering each respective weather starter. Thus, if each respective weather starter had a respective chance of appearing on a team of 20%, the sum would be 100%, which can't possibly be true.
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