sets you guys have. Any time I ever fight this thing, I am absolutely terrified of it, and I kinda think everyone should be. It only takes one game where you relax and get eaten by a LO ice beam/earth power/flamethrower set before you truly have the fear of god put in you.
I’m curious about any cool
I know the most common ones are usually spikes lead and CP stored power, but I am curious about any other cool sets you’ve had success with, I know I’ve seen LO 3/4 attacks, SD, dragon dance, etc.
Pre-DLC I used DD+Roost+PsyFangs+CC with Life Orb. It was a neat set. Slowbro and Mandibuzz are huge roadblocks. Lando-T probably is now as well. However, Corvi & Clef were easy set up fodder. Zera and Pult are outsped and OHKOed by PsyFangs at +1 with an Adamant nature. Ninetales teams were 6-0ed at preview. Rilla and Bisharp are on the downturn so it may be usable again.I’m curious about any cool
I know the most common ones are usually spikes lead and CP stored power, but I am curious about any other cool sets you’ve had success with, I know I’ve seen LO 3/4 attacks, SD, dragon dance, etc.
Back during the Summer, Spikes / Knock / Soft / filler was a semi-common utility set.I’m curious about any cool
I know the most common ones are usually spikes lead and CP stored power, but I am curious about any other cool sets you’ve had success with, I know I’ve seen LO 3/4 attacks, SD, dragon dance, etc.
Gengar utilizes Choice Scarf pretty well and is able to revengekill a plethora of threats with its Ghost / Poison STAB combination. It can make use of Trick and coverage like Focus Blast and Thunderbolt or Nasty Plot to boost itself after it tricked the item to Pokemon it can abuse well such as Blissey, which is greatly appreciated. Gengars Speed tier still leaves it behind Weavile, Dragapult, Tornadus-T, and Tapu Koko when it isn't choiced anymore but its Speed tier still puts it above Pokemon such as Kartana and with its Choice Scarf it outruns threats such as Arctozolt in Hail which is pretty valuable, so it is able to revengekill that threat as well. I think Gengar is getting better in my eyes and should be explored more.
We're all familiar with it, Tapu Lele with its Choice Scarf set is able to revengekill a plethora of Pokemon too, putting it above Weavile and eliminating the Priority Ice Shard on grounded Pokemon is pretty valuable also for Tapu Lele itself. I like it as a Speed control and as a way to revengekill threats and it can even utilize Future Sight in this set to get some progress going. 
Is a great Speed control with Knock Off and its good Attack stat of 181 and the metagame shifted more to Pokemon being specially defensive means it can get stuff going with its Choice Scarf set. Great STABs in Leaf Blade and Smart Strike alongside coverage in Sacred Sword makes Kartana a threat to account in for, as it is able to tear holes in teams when they're severely weakened with its STAB Leaf Blade or Smart Strike. 
Galarian Zapdos is a great wallbreaker and can work well with Blacephalon as a secondary wallbreaker with their respective sets in Choice Band and Choice Specs. Galarian zapdos gains attraction currently and is a great way of abusing the many Defoggers to get a Defiant boost, mostly Corviknight and Landorus-T are Pokemon, Galarian Zapdos can take advantage of due to Defog or Intimidate. After a Defiant boost it can get of massive damage with either Brave Bird or Close Combat. The only disadvantage it has is it gets eaily worn down by Brave Bird, but with Wish / Healing Wish it can easily get another life and tears holes into the opposition again. 
Choice Band Buzzwole is not a bad set, utilized well by Lord Enz vs Finchinator game in SCL it can definitely put out some work for its team. Without further addo lets dive into the replay and how well Lord Enz utilized Buzzwole: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ou-588235 tho I think Lord Enz should have preserved Buzzwole for Finchinators Urshifu at the very end. But Buzzwole was really devestating in the early part of the game. Was an intense game to watch. 
Choice Band Tyranitar should definitely be tried out. It has the STAB combination of Crunch / Stone Edge and coverage in form of Heavy Slam to hit Clefable, Earthquake to hit Heatran, Fire Punch for Steel-types and even Ice Punch to lure in Ground-types such as Landorus-T and Garchomp as well as Hippowdon. I think CB Tyranitar can see a slight surge in usage again due to how good its STAB and coverage options are. 
Its a plane? No! Its a clown? Yes! But a devestating one, Blacephalon. This Pokemon gets things going easily. STAB Overheat and STAB Shadow Ball go hand in hand and with teammates such as the aforementioned Galarian zapdos it can work well and they can easily overwhelm checks. Both however need good entry hazard control which is easily given by Pokemon like Landorus-T, Corviknight, or Tornadus-T. Blacephalon can also work well with hazard stack to break down specially defensive Heatran further and to help out with necessary 2HKOes or OHKOes. Give Specs Blace a try, you won't regret it.
Magnezone is also a Pokemon which can utilize Choice Specs sets well. With Thunderbolt, Volt Switch, Flash Cannon and a filler option it can work well and help teammates like Melmetal, Urshifu-R, Weavile, and Kyurem to get rid off Corviknight. Rising Voltage with Tapu Koko is also pretty fun to try out as a Specs boosted Rising Voltage in Electric Terrain is a very terrifying move to switch into, when you aren't a Ground-type of any sort. Tapu Koko and Magnezone can also easily overwhelm Landorus-T together. 
The sun is up so let's party. Wether its Choice Scarf or Choice Specs Heatrans Eruption especially in the sun is a devestating tool, as long as there arent ways to scout its moves or you have no sturdy Fire-resist or even better a complete immune with your own Heatran to switch into. Heatran can also make use of a secondary Fire-type STAB move when it finds itself low on HP. Coverage like Flash Cannon and Dragon Pulse are valuable too, the former is its STAB and hits really hard and the secondary can actually lure in Dragon-types like Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Dragonite, dealing massive damage on them. Try it out everyone!
i'd add scarf kartana for sun as well, mainly just for these calcs
Agreed with everything you said and shamelessly plugging in my (probably not mine but whatever) Scarf DBond Gengar here. Gengar is often not strong enough to OHKO some threats you mentioned (or you dont want to shoot a focus blast lol) so DBond is kinda like a surprise safely net that can remove mons like +1 Chomp and Arctozolt in an emergency or just remove something your team doesnt like. definately agree with scarf gengar (and gengar in general) having lots of potential as a whole, nice post :)
First things that come to mind are regular SD with chople berry or pjab SD with roseli berry. just accept you ain't breaking through pex and buzz without team support or significant chip anyway.
This idea is a cool in theory but it isn't worth it (I just tested it). Weavile takes near 90 after Chople and you dont have boots so you would need to have hazards completely off at all times. You don't even kill Slowbro without it being at around 75 in the first place. Just run another item or play better.
My brain just exploded lmao didn't even think about that. you also steal rocky helmet from corvi if you need to setup on it. Veeeeeeeery fringe anyway.
Personally, I don't think this too good of an idea. The problem is, Weavile isn't Garchomp who can just mindlessly ditch its 'default' item. If you ditch the boots, then you really have to be prepared for stealth rock otherwise it will just eat you alive. I know defog is very easy to use but I'm not too sure clicking defog at every opening is something you want to do
yeah I love my whacky stuff but as I said those were just immediate thoughts I had, not backed up by much, although I like the reception they had. both are flawed anyway. I feel like sd pjab has the most chances of actually doing something different.
yeah choice band + future sight is boring but effective. needs a ton of support for hazard removal but i feel like xatu isnt tragic, it does have heat wave, teleport/uturn, thunder wave and roost, although that psychic typing really stinks. if you're using fsight weavile you need lots of pivots so having double defog seems even more legit on these types of build. future sight is your entry hazard anyway.
Perhaps but if you use band Weavile, you are also in the same boat as when you use stuff like specs Kyurem or Blacephalon. You need to make godlike predictions and let's not forget that the Weavile didn't have to deal with rocks whereas in an average game, it will have to deal with rocks if it has no boots. Band Weavile has been a thing for several generations now afik but the point still stands that you need godlike predictions and if you don't, you need heavy hazard removal. Having said that, it's definitely not a bad idea but I think boots sd is just less taxing to use
Don't we all like whacky stuff. I can agree with you. In fact I'm one of the few who always thought of Weavile as pretty meh as it can get walled by Toxapex fairly easily. Now that you mention non boots Weavile, maybe black glasses can work ala Bisharp. I mean
Something I forgot to mention when this post was made. Another scarfer I always enjoyed but only used sparingly is scarfChoice Scarf, Choice Band, Choice Specs. Good Pokemon with these respective items in SS OU.Choice Scarf:
or if you’re gonna accept that certain matchups will be lost, and forfeit the advantages of HDB..
i really think that miracle seed Rillaboom should be the standard set.I gotta say I've been having a lot of success on Hyper Offense using Miracle Seed Rillaboom
Rillaboom @ Miracle Seed
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Grassy Glide
- Wood Hammer
- Superpower
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The Immediate burst in power allows it to deal massive amounts of damage to break opponents such as Unaware Clef, Toxapex, Tornadus, and enables it to deal a hefty chunk to Landorus trying to U-Turn on a predicted swords Dance, easily opening up dangerous team-mates when Landorus tries to U-Turn for momentum.
-1 252+ Atk Miracle Seed Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Landorus-Therian in Grassy Terrain: 237-279 (62 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
-1 252+ Atk Miracle Seed Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Landorus-Therian in Grassy Terrain: 183-216 (47.9 - 56.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+1 252+ Atk Miracle Seed Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Landorus-Therian in Grassy Terrain: 376-444 (98.4 - 116.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
In comparision
+1 252+ Atk Miracle Seed Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Landorus-Therian in Grassy Terrain: 220-259 (57.5 - 67.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
This is all made possible by Wood Hammer reaching a staggering 187 base power in terrain with Miracle Seed, enabling it to be stronger than both Double Iron Bash and Victini's V-Create without Life Orb Recoil.
252+ Atk Miracle Seed Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew in Grassy Terrain: 325-384 (95.3 - 112.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Victini V-create vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 246-289 (72.1 - 84.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Iron Fist Melmetal Double Iron Bash (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 278-330 (81.5 - 96.7%) -- approx. 2HKO
It is also a very good partner with Kart, as Kart is able to knock off torn and make it vulnerable to stealth rocks, which enables Rillaboom to deal massive damage with this combination of moves.
252+ Atk Miracle Seed Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 88 Def Tornadus-Therian in Grassy Terrain: 176-207 (48.6 - 57.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Roc
So Rillaboom can click Grassy Glide and pick up the KO, and even if Torn switches out, they'd leave without defogging, putting them in range of Kartana.
252+ Atk Miracle Seed Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 252 HP / 88 Def Tornadus-Therian in Grassy Terrain: 102-121 (28.1 - 33.4%) -- 0.1% chance to 3HKO
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lacking sludge bomb. It’s also the best move to punish experienced players who switch around trying to waste grassy terrain turns. Overall this is best for sweeping
and this is generally the best move to use if you’re planning to have utility before an SD. Such as against a healthy 
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. Overall this is best for utility
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. Tho after the stat drops you’ll rarely be able to continue a sweep. So expect to be forced out after you KO them. This also REALLY sucks if it gets predicted and the opponent switches in something else. Tho the KO is very handy if you plan on using rilla as a breaker. Overall this is best for metal birds and immediate firepower. buzzwole will never lose to Rillaboom unless you’re packing itemless acrobatics. So carry 1-2 buzzwole switchins once again it will never lose to Rillaboom unless you knock off on the switch and then-subsequently force it out with your switch in. yes, it’ll never lose to Rillaboom, so pack a switch in zapdos can actually lose to Rillaboom if you have knock off support and a way to pressure it into sub 50% after it comes in on rocks. will only lose to Rillaboom with paralysis or knock off support. If you get knock off support, you then need to correctly predict a wood hammer on a switch in, followed by grassy glide pack a switch in and try to wear them down.
Might be pretty conditional, but Rillaboom can actually defeat offensive Dragonites if they're adamant and chipped, taking it out with a powerful wood hammer from around half health(75% with rocks!) due to the incredible sheer force the move and Rillaboom's bulk enables it to live a rather up and coming Ice Punch+EQ variant in a pinch, same with Zapdos if bold and not running speed for Rillaboom. Buzzwole and Volcarona are definitely hard match ups though.i really think that miracle seed Rillaboom should be the standard set.
a lot of teams are really weak to Rillaboom, here’s an example in the 2000 ELO range
the main flex option is the choice between drain punch / knock off / superpower. Even the nature will always be adamant due to the current metagame threat list.
here’s a quick rundown of what each is good against:
Drain Punch -
Knock off -
Super power -
to beat the main threats:
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life orb + SD is a more powerful tool against pure offensive teams, however falls flat against so many fringe things, and struggles to clean end game against the current popular terrain changers so it loses its ability to bust holes into teams.
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The biggest threat to a sweeper/breaker Rillaboom is Tapu Lele, as everything that is a defensive check can be worn down, but lele needs to be straight KOd if you want to break through more than 1 threat. There is no such thing as counterplay against a well played lele, since every experienced player will try and preserve it as long as possible in a rilla matchup.
Hi, I'm going to use this as an opportunity to talk about BDSP and theorymonning:
