Quick claw makes the user go first in there priority bracket, it doesn't give +1 priority to the attack.
The Quick Claw Kingambit about to be shamoned by vacuum wave:
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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The Quick Claw Kingambit about to be shamoned by vacuum wave:
Yes, it’ll make it go first in the +1 priority bracket.
Oh right, my bad, I misinterpreted the message lol.
Here before somehow even more voter fraud than last time!!
Quick Claw is only legal because it's bad. That's not a very good reason. It doesn't matter if it's bad, it's uncompetitive and it should be banned. No good reason why it's legal outside of "haha funny 20% chance to win"
should scope lens be banned? extra crit chance is uncompetitive because you could get an ohko you shouldn’t have!
Let's not ban anymore cheese items please lol. No high ladder team uses Quick Claw.
We should in fact unban King's Rock to buff Maushold
False equivalency. Quick Claw is an RNG-based item, whereas critical hits are a RNG mechanic. One can be removed, the other can’t if we want to stay true to cart to the extent that we have.
"20% chance to win" is a deliberate misinterpretation of Quick Claw. It's a completely dead item slot in the face of priority (you're only first in your bracket), any pokemon that would be slower anyway (imagine answering threats defensively? wild), if you want to be using any status move that doesn't boost your defenses in some way, and switches. I've heard QC compared to Bright Powder many times as an argument for its ban and I fundamentally disagree with that premise as unlike QC, Bright Powder can still directly influence the first three scenarios I listed. While it can be a bit cheesy sometimes, I don't believe it's anywhere near pressingly uncompetitive enough to be banned given the various forms of counterplay.
scope lens outside of focus energy is an rng item too.
It guarantees a boost to critical hit rate, not a RNG-determined boost to something. It boosts an RNG mechanic, but it’s not inherently dependent on RNG.
Of course. I'm sure the scholars of Jimothy Cool's comment section can list ample amounts of counters to this item. After all, everyone knows that we of the Smogon community simply ban everything we lose to instead of making good teams and adapting to meta shifts
No I just think unnecessary RNG items that no mon competitively runs should be banned because they make the experience worse without providing actual benefits.
The issue is that it IS uncompetitive and it offers no benefit to competitive play. The point of the item is to cheese and it serves no purpose otherwise.
I mean you could certainly describe Dragonite as a bit...EXTREME in my opinion.
Thank you folks here all week.
Fire punch is a great move on Dnite if you want to do 0 damage even at +1, I've played it.
This is so gratuitous
You can put this anywhere in this thread at any time, and it will fit
My take on the D-nite discussion is that it's super funny how it basically does the exact same thing for over a decade and still makes people tight when it wins games. Shout outs to Tera for allowing Dragonite to larp as an alt-timeline version of it being the Normal type that would have ruled RBY OU with its nubby claws
Why the fuck does dragonite deal like 24 damage to everything with espeed without tera bruh
Even at +1 WITH Tera Normal it's still not picking up OHKOs on the weakest shit like moth and ival
(Still a good mon but MAN it doesn't hit hard for a 134 attack mon with ddance)
Even at +1 WITH Tera Normal it's still not picking up OHKOs on the weakest shit like moth and ival
(Still a good mon but MAN it doesn't hit hard for a 134 attack mon with ddance)
Dnite players when they realize the average Frail mon doesn't have 60/65 physical bulk anymore:
The main issue is relying on Tera for STAB. Outrage dnite hits really hard at +1 because it has a 180 BP move as opposed to 80 with espeed. Also defensive powercreep, but yeah. Mainly no STAB.
This is why I run DD, Fire Punch, Scale Shot, Encore on Dragonite. That way you can get 2 Dragon Dances quite often.
. Strength Sap FTW.
It's probably because most people run HDB and non-STAB moves on it like E-speed, EQ, and Ice Spinner. You can run Choice Band, but then you can't set up and stay at base 80 speed.
This is why I like LO D-nite best. You can setup the DD and get extra damage on your attacks, allowing you to get KOs at +1 that you would normally need +2 for. This requires more support, though.