Hisuian Samurott having the ability to freely setup hazards in front of Hatterene is always going to be valuable. Aside from itself and Kleavor, no one has that unique characteristic
Hisuian Samurott having the ability to freely setup hazards in front of Hatterene is always going to be valuable. Aside from itself and Kleavor, no one has that unique characteristic
Besides STAB priority I think there is also credit to be given for Samurott's typing simply being better than Gallade (Resistances of note include Kingambit, STABs from Gholdengo and Skeledirge, and at least one STAB on many higher ranked mons like Roaring Moon, Greninja, Hisuian Zoroark, etc.), so there is some kind of defensive profile to exploit as a Spiker. It's also important to note that Samurott is compressing that "Sharpness Beatdown" with literally unblockable Spikes (to my knowledge it doesn't even block them from going up on a faint from Rocky Helmet or such) for OU, on a mon that threatens the tier's best Rapid Spinner amidst a general dearth of good removal and isn't checked by Hatterene on top of not blocking the Spikes.I dunno, H-Sam seems pretty mediocre. Once you get past free Spikes from Ceaseless Edge, you're looking at a Pokémon with meh stats that's a bit too comparable to Gallade. Sure, H-Sam has a better typing and access to two STAB priority moves, but it's rocking the same role as "Sharpness coverage abuser" that's more of a cool thing in concept than execution.
A fun fact: When Clodsire has tera water, it gets clapped by Electro Ball
252 SpA Choice Specs Kilowattrel Electro Ball (150 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Tera Water Clodsire: 456-536 (98.4 - 115.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Electro Ball (150 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Tera Water Clodsire: 470-554 (101.5 - 119.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
These are the only two pokemon that are good with that move, Electrode is just shrafted, It needs Electric Terrain to OHKO a Tera Water Clod with Timid Choice Specs (Hisuian Electrode does the same with Chloroblast, but it needs Grassy Terrain instead).
To play devils advocate, going Tera Water against an Electric Type might not actually be the worst play ever as a ground-type if you assume they are going to Tera & hit you with a super effective Tera Blast. That being said, you better be damn sure that you'll be able to KO them back on that turn lol.
+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Iron Valiant Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Tera Dragon Meowscarada: 2876-3386 (981.5 - 1155.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
As a general rule of thumb, you should only post about interactions you have actually experienced in a reasonable game of SV OU.A fun fact: When Clodsire has tera water, it gets clapped by Electro Ball
252 SpA Choice Specs Kilowattrel Electro Ball (150 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Tera Water Clodsire: 456-536 (98.4 - 115.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Electro Ball (150 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Tera Water Clodsire: 470-554 (101.5 - 119.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
These are the only two pokemon that are good with that move, Electrode is just shrafted, It needs Electric Terrain to OHKO a Tera Water Clod with Timid Choice Specs (Hisuian Electrode does the same with Chloroblast, but it needs Grassy Terrain instead).
I see Samurott-H as a Perfect Partner for Enamorus at best, with that being possibly the biggest reason it stays OU - otherwise, the power and bulk drop-off from Kingambit is pretty noticeable. (Jolly Choice Band Sucker Punch isn't even guaranteed to OHKO Scarf Gholdengo and you can only switch Samurott-H into Make It Rain once or maybe twice, ouch. At least you can switch Samurott-H into Heatran, unlike Kingambit.)While we're on the topic of post-HOME mons, Showdown's Tours Plaza room held a post-HOME-OU-simulating tournament, and I found this mon to be quite underrated in it:
Samurott-Hisui @ Choice Band
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Ceaseless Edge
- Razor Shell
- Sacred Sword
Samurott-H's Water/Dark typing lets it switch into a surprisingly high percentage of the meta. It resists and/or is immune to the STABs of Gholdengo, Skeledirge, Kingambit, Heatran, Greninja, Volcanion, Hoopa-U, Dondozo, Chien-Pao, and more, and it can dish out the hurt to those it switches into and outspeeds while often laying Spikes at the same time:
252 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Samurott-Hisui: 139-164 (43.3 - 51%) -- 5.5% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Heatran Magma Storm vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Samurott-Hisui: 115-136 (35.8 - 42.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after trapping damage
252 SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Samurott-Hisui: 141-166 (43.9 - 51.7%) -- 10.9% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Samurott-Hisui: 141-166 (43.9 - 51.7%) -- 10.9% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Volcanion Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Samurott-Hisui: 147-173 (45.7 - 53.8%) -- 45.7% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Volcanion Steam Eruption vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Samurott-Hisui: 127-150 (39.5 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Hoopa-Unbound Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Samurott-Hisui: 230-272 (71.6 - 84.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Samurott-Hisui: 161-190 (50.1 - 59.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0- Atk Protean Greninja U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Samurott-Hisui: 156-186 (48.5 - 57.9%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Sacred Sword vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Samurott-Hisui: 298-352 (92.8 - 109.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Sharpness Samurott-Hisui Razor Shell vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 458-542 (118.6 - 140.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Samurott-Hisui Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 314-372 (99.6 - 118%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Sharpness Samurott-Hisui Ceaseless Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gholdengo: 312-368 (82.5 - 97.3%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
252 Atk Choice Band Sharpness burned Samurott-Hisui Ceaseless Edge vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Skeledirge: 208-246 (50.6 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Sharpness Samurott-Hisui Sacred Sword vs. 112 HP / 0 Def Kingambit: 660-780 (178.8 - 211.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Sharpness Samurott-Hisui Razor Shell vs. 112 HP / 0 Def Kingambit: 205-243 (55.5 - 65.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Sharpness Samurott-Hisui Ceaseless Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcanion: 178-211 (59.1 - 70%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Sharpness Samurott-Hisui Ceaseless Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Hoopa-Unbound: 315-372 (104.3 - 123.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Samurott-H gets access to Swords Dance, Taunt, and Knock Off for messing with bulkier mons, and it also gets access to Aqua Jet for further harassing offence. Samurott-H has to balance carefully between outspeeding all non-Scarf Gholdengo variants and having enough bulk to get 3HKOed by Specs Greninja Hydro Pump, though.
I misplayed Samurott-H against Dondozo (also missed Ceaseless Edge twice in a row that tour) and it got Body Pressed into oblivion, but Samurott-H partners with Enamorus really well due to switching into a lot if not all of its checks, and I might be able to get away with no Stealth Rock setter in my team! (I want to abuse both Enamorus and Hoopa-U, I need to check opposing Enamorus/etc. with defensive Gholdengo, Great Tusk will still likely be the best hazards remover and now it needs STAB/anti-Enamorus/Knock Off...)
- Do we think Gren is going to stay OU? I doubt it, Meowsc feels like a better protean and spikes setter, and battle bond is just... ugh.
Heatran only lost toxic, so it hasn't changed at all, taunt, rocks, flash cannon, solar beam, protect, WoW, its gonna work, honestly, trappers are on the "memes that work" stuff like Tailwind Z garganacl, Hidden Power Ground Skarmory, BU Power Trip Corviknight, so its on that levelAt the risk of getting a little too theory mon-y, are there any hypothetical trappers coming back that will relevantly change the meta? Obviously tera ghost defeats the purpose, but outside of that. Like I can see Tran + Taunt potentially beating down Dirge + Pex + Clod (If tran has balloon). Are we gonna see anything like that for Garg?
Spectrier is getting tera blast now, that means better coverage, the horse is ugly as shit, so I would keep him bannedSince we have Tera and wayy more dark types right now, (not to mention normal Dnite everywhere), what are the chances of Spectier getting re-tested?
Gren is still good, stop using spikes on gren, just no, and gren is special attacker while meow is physical, there are very few points of comparison IMO
- Do we think Gren is going to stay OU? I doubt it, Meowsc feels like a better protean and spikes setter, and battle bond is just... ugh.
Regarding to Spectrier, if the new move it got was Moonblast, I would maybe give him a chance. But Draining Kiss + NP + that speed and power is too much if it recovers health apart from killing stuff. Tera Blast gives him too many options as well.
I defended Spectrier staying OU last Gen due to the potential it gave to low usage Mons like Umbreon, Regigigas or Exploud hard countering it, but this Gen I see 0 positive things for it to bring to the meta.
The only former Ubers (planned to be released, so no Zygarde here) I would test would be Zamazenta Hero, Giratina-A and Zamazenta Crown, in this order.
Testing Zamazenta-Crowned would be a horrible idea. That shit got quickbanned from natdex and we have even less tools to deal with it than they do.
Can we please do not the legendarys, we don't need them in any sort of form, and its gonna take a lot before that kind of experimentation can even begin
Besides, most of these legendarys lose go Garganacl anyways so :eyes:
Its a dumb meme i seeI think in this part of your post I miss seeing a VERB.