Knock torn-t sounds kinda busted for UU (Torn-t was already straddling the line of being broken imo.), good thing that it should get it sent to OU in a month or two now that its most important utility move in its kit was given back to it.
Agreed. Same with Quaquaval and Zapdos-Galar, two more birds who probably should've been UUBL in the first placeKnock torn-t sounds kinda busted for UU (Torn-t was already straddling the line of being broken imo.), good thing that it should get it sent to OU in a month or two now that its most important utility move in its kit was given back to it.
unban roaring moon, we need a knock off resist that doesnt trigger the damage boost from having its item removed (because the item is booster energy)
use wo chienunban roaring moon, we need a knock off resist that doesnt trigger the damage boost from having its item removed (because the item is booster energy)
With the additions of new moves due to DLC release and a global evolution of the metagame, the council has decided to held a vote this next week-end : Ceruledge, Quaquaval and Tornadus-Therian are walking on eggshells.
Since joining the Underused, Ceruledge has always been a decent threat in the tier. However, it was lacking a true Ghost-type STAB but this problem is now solved thanks to Poltergeist ! Once settled up with Swords Dance, Ceruledge is able to break throught even defensive walls such as Alomomola with Poltergeist. It also allows it to punish way harder checks such as Skeledirge. With the right filler, Ceruledge can either punish threats such as Hydreigon and Tyranitar with Close Combat or eliminate faster or weakened threats thanks to Shadow Sneak. Bulk Up variants alongside Flash Fire can also shine in the right match-up making Ceruledge quite tough to deal with.
Quaquaval was already a great Pokémon in UU but with the release of the DLC : The Teal Mask, it got even better thanks to its newly access to Knock Off. It allows Quaquaval to dent or even bypass some of its old checks such as Basculegion-F, Slowking, Slowbro or Iron Leaves thanks to this new coverage. While it's true those Pokémon could lose vs some SD variants of Quaquaval, notably its Tera Ghost + Tera Blast set, this required to invest way more resources than now. Quaquaval can now opt for better Tera types such as Steel or Fire to resist Grassy Glide from Rillaboom and Hurricane from Tornadus-T, or Water to increase even more the power of Aqua Step. Knock Off is also really valuable to make some progress threw the game by removing items such as Heavy-Duty Boots or Rocky Helmet from foes. All in all, Quaquaval is a premiere threat in the builder thanks to its Swords Dance variants which allows it snowball really effectively.
Tornadus-Therian has always been one of the best Pokémon in the tier and this hasn't changed at all. With the return of Knock Off in its arsenal, Tornadus-Therian can now run even more options than before while being able to be a good user of the Assault Vest thanks to Regenerator. Nasty Plot and Taunt variants are still insane to make some progress threw the game and its ability to check so much Pokémon offensively thanks to its speed and use of the right Tera types allow it to be a prime threat !
An official post will be done later this week.
The purpose of that post is to give some news to our playerbase but also a place where they could share their thoughts on those three Pokémon.
I think Ursaluna is just as unhealthy as those three mons under inspection, even if it doesn't clean sweep entire teams like duck and Ceruledge. Tornadus-T seems fine with Knock, just a very good glue mon in the tier that's not that abrasive or out of control.
I'd probably ban Ceruledge, Quaquaval, and Ursaluna to try to stabilize the tier a bit before we get omega drops in October, then unban them all again as well as unban H-Lilligant and Hands when we get the drops since it'll be a whole new meta, then reassess again after a bit and see what action has to be taken.
I agree with a lot of your takes friend but this one is not it. I agree luna is really strong once it gets in and you kinda have to pick once it enters the field. It makes trick room more viable and with the likely drop of conkeldurr the playstyle will only get stronger. But, banning just to unban everying in a week and a half is just definitely not the move. I dont think we need a hands vote for a 3rd time where we already banned it twice and idt it is likely we are getting anything to help face it with drops. Lilligant I could see, but I think its better to let the drops happen so we can have a bigger plate to vote on rather than having our council run around with ban, unban, ban.I think Ursaluna is just as unhealthy as those three mons under inspection, even if it doesn't clean sweep entire teams like duck and Ceruledge. Tornadus-T seems fine with Knock, just a very good glue mon in the tier that's not that abrasive or out of control.
I'd probably ban Ceruledge, Quaquaval, and Ursaluna to try to stabilize the tier a bit before we get omega drops in October, then unban them all again as well as unban H-Lilligant and Hands when we get the drops since it'll be a whole new meta, then reassess again after a bit and see what action has to be taken.
Short thoughts:
Tornadus-T is definitely not broken, especially with mons like weavile and belli as others mantioned becoming a bit better. torns end up knocking each other off a lot of games and with rocks up it's not hard to pressure at all. Great mon still, of course.
Ceruledge is broken to me, I think I would vote ban if it were tested publicly. I think it's way too hard to play around since polt is such a strong move and ghost resists are famously rare, and weak armor means you have to be extremely careful how you decide to chip it, especially if its running sash or smth, which becomes a very good option on it thanks to bitter blade (broken move). Counter play is too specific, and you lose so fast without it so ban.
Quaq is very very good, personally undecided tho since I havent used it myself unlike the other two.
Now u can use knock with this gasTornadus-Therian (M)
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Acrobatics
- Taunt
- Bulk Up/U-turn
- Hammer Arm
I’ve been running no item physical Torn as of late and I personally feel like it’s a bigger threat than special Torn. You get your 110 bst Flying move with no chance of missing. Most Torn use boots or AV to increase survivability but I think the trade off for more offensive output is better. While it has a slightly lower atk than sp atk stat, on average you are doing more damage with Acro than with Bleak or Hurricane due to accuracy. Thundy, Treads, and to a lesser degree Tink stand as your most common switch ins but none of the have recovery to take multiple hits throughout the game. It can whittle its checks down well. When you factor in spike stack which I would recommend, you’ll find your self many times being able to sweep by spamming Acro.