His point was that if the refs had not done such a poor job officiating, it wouldn't matter if Clayton drops that pass or not, because more than likely the Ravens would be running the clock out by running the ball rather than passing it, and thus the Clayton play would have never occured.
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The Everything NFL Thread - 2009
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His point was that if the refs had not done such a poor job officiating, it wouldn't matter if Clayton drops that pass or not, because more than likely the Ravens would be running the clock out by running the ball rather than passing it, and thus the Clayton play would have never occured.
Either way, this Patriots team isnt going to do squat in the playoffs (if they make it there). If not for a kick off return blunder, they're easily 2-2 (not even counting this Ravens game). The AFC is too good, and their D is too weak/young to get them anywhere
Undefeated doesn't mean anything. Chargers were 5-0 once during the season and didn't manage to make the playoffs because of a nasty losing streak. The Pats always had a superior offense with Tom Brady or even Matt Cassel running their offense last year. They aren't "rising." Holding the Falcons to 10 points is nice, but Falcons is still young and still has a year or two before they really contend for the Super Bowl. Also, the Pats defense is still relatively young to consistently defend off a good team.
I meant the Ravens offense. Falcons have Matt Ryan, Tony Gonzalez, Roddy White, and Michael Turner. What more can an offense ask for?
As much as this guy is a (BAN ME PLEASE), I'm going to have to agree. We are talking about a team led by Tom Brady in Bill Belichick here. Their record speaks for itself.
A more experienced QB and a more consistent offensive line. The offensive is not consistent enough to let Michael Turner run crazy consistently and protect Matt Ryan enough to make long plays in more clutch situations. Matt Ryan is also not experienced enough to go through the playoff rigor. Historically, it takes more than 2 years for a QB to win a super bowl except Big Ben, but he is an exception because he had a superior defense, offensive line, and consistent recievers in people like Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, etc.
I think it is Pokey, a Patriots fan trying to hide his affiliation with the Eagles avatar.
Though I hate the Patriots, it would be foolish to say they are not a good team. The Baltimore-New England game would have still been a close one, even if roughing the brady calls weren't present. Remember, in any organized sport, you must deal with the human element. Referees are human, and are asked to make split-second decisions on things they may or may not have seen clearly. It's all about angles and perception, and the referee has to decide in an instant whether to throw the (BAN ME PLEASE) or not. Once he makes that decision, he must back it up. Refs don't have the luxury of zoomed TV cameras, and they only get to see a replay if a coach challenges. This means they are required to make calls based on a single angle, often from a bit of a distance, and almost never unobstructed. Give the guys a break will ya?
As for my two cents on Atlanta, I think they have alot of talent but are still a bit rough around the edges. Matt Ryan, even in his second year, is still getting settled into his role as a team leader, and as such needs a bit more time before he can direct his team on a serious run to the Super Bowl. They are most definitely playoff worthy, but I think there are better, more seasoned teams like New York and New Orleans in the NFC.
Though I hate the Patriots, it would be foolish to say they are not a good team. The Baltimore-New England game would have still been a close one, even if roughing the brady calls weren't present. Remember, in any organized sport, you must deal with the human element. Referees are human, and are asked to make split-second decisions on things they may or may not have seen clearly. It's all about angles and perception, and the referee has to decide in an instant whether to throw the (BAN ME PLEASE) or not. Once he makes that decision, he must back it up. Refs don't have the luxury of zoomed TV cameras, and they only get to see a replay if a coach challenges. This means they are required to make calls based on a single angle, often from a bit of a distance, and almost never unobstructed. Give the guys a break will ya?
As for my two cents on Atlanta, I think they have alot of talent but are still a bit rough around the edges. Matt Ryan, even in his second year, is still getting settled into his role as a team leader, and as such needs a bit more time before he can direct his team on a serious run to the Super Bowl. They are most definitely playoff worthy, but I think there are better, more seasoned teams like New York and New Orleans in the NFC.
They're taking the division? Please tell me how they plan to get past those Jets.... The Jets proved how real their D is sunday. Mark Sanchez had an off game, but their D proved why they're best in the league. They limited the best offense in the league, and held Brees to 0 passing TD's. The only way the Pats take that division is if they have the weakest schedule in the NFL again like they did last year
I know! I have him on my fantasy team :D
Please stop displaying your ignorance. According to your logic, Buffalo Bills have the second best defense in the league then, seeing as how they kept Drew Brees touchdownless. The point is that Jets lost by two touchdowns because their ROOKIE quarterback made mistakes. You're telling me the Patriots can't exploit him in their next game? A rookie bound to make a handful of mistakes as a starter. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco surely had their rookie times last year.
Not to mention, the Jets -only- won by a touchdown and were against Patriots still trying to find their grove. Patriots are in no way at their best right now, and close games with some luck against Bills and Ravens showed that. Brady could get pocket awareness back, as well as Wes Welker who's been out for that Jets game as well as another.
P.S. The cherry on top is how you say "only if Patriots have an easy schedule" when first of all, the schedule is already out, you know -if- they have an easy schedule or not, and second, THEY HAVE THE SAME SCHEDULE AS THE JETS BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE SAME DIVISION!
And now let's see how fast he is with pads and a helmet.
Um historically means nothing. This isn't an objective sport. While quarterbacks don't go straight to the Super Bowl upon being drafted, you have people like Peyton Manning who came right in and pretty much could have gotten it done in the Super Bowl if he had a defense. Or even Brady, who was drafted in 2000, did absolutely nothing and came in in 2001 and won the entire thing. Hell, last year Joe Flacco got to the AFC championship game. The similiarity between all these players? None except they all had different situations surrounding them, so don't give that BS "historically it takes more than 2 years blahblahblahblah."
P.S. Big Ben had Plaxico Burress for only his rookie year and all Burress gave him was an injury filled 11 game season with 35 catches. Yeah, real consistent.
Patriots offense will be back in sync, the Jets will actually have to play against Welker, and the Jets will fall apart like last season.
Who has an off game against the Saints non-existent defense?
Notice how when Brees plays bad, so does the entire offense?
So did the Bills, you going to call the Bills defense great?
Or the Jets blow it like last season.
Mark Sanchez gave up 4 turnovers. (1 fumble, 3 INT's, 2 to Darren Sharper.)
And you are calling the Saints' defense nonexistent?:naughty:
At least I don't care about that, since I am a Packer fan.
(by the way, when you post a message [RMT for example] does the pokemon image show up automatically?)
Get the fuck out
First of all, I love it how you try to demoralize your opponent. Find one thing is sounds vague, you attack it aggressively. What I meant was by looking at history, you can see a list of QBs who won it with a specific team. You can see that QBs that won it did win it with specific situations. That is why I added Big Ben who won it relatively young because of Pittsburgh's top notch defensive core, offensive line, running game, and receiving threat. Peyton Manning is one of the best tactical QB I've ever seen in my life. Yea, it took a while for the Colts to get a defense that can win one super bowl. Tom Brady won it at 2001 with excellent defense and that veteran presence in the offense, etc. Baltimore had a strong defensive core which supported Joe Flacco.
But seriously, Matt Ryan will not win the Super Bowl. He lacks that experience to carry the team consistently in clutch situations. His offensive line isn't exactly top notch. Michael Turner is on and off. Atlanta's defense isn't that good either.
opps, I got that wrong. But nevertheless, he was a threat when he played for the Steelers. Well at least the Steelers had Antwaan Randall-El who was a superior specialist and speed threat who can make big plays.
powerankings are a lot harder than i thought.
here are mine
ill comment on top 10
1. Saints - Can run the ball with Pierre Thomas and Mike Bell, not to mention Drew Brees is an excellent QB (And this has opened the running game). After letting up some points against Detroit, the defense has actually become part of the team and has let them become more dominant. With wins over the 5th and 6th ranked teams, they are currently the team to beat.
2. Vikings - Excellent pass rush, good rush defense. They lead the NFL in sacks to make up for a "average" pass defense. +5 turnover ratio is also helping. ADP is the best TB in the NFL right now and Favre is making some noise. Have a win over the 9th ranked team.
3. Colts - Garcon, Wayne, Clark, Addai, Brown, Manning, and their 2nd string receiver is currently hurt. Just too many weapons on offense to cover, but no defining win yet (best win came over 16th team).
4. Giants - Eli might be hurt but they are still dominant, good receiving options and good backfield, and know how to get the job done.
5. Jets - Only lost is to 1st ranked team, defeated 7th ranked Patriots. Rex Ryan and the defense are doing great things, and the offense at least has some threats.
6. Eagles - Only lost is to 1st ranked team, dominated rest of opponents, even with Colb starting. Whole team looks good, Mcnabb and Westbrook are expected to return soon.
7. Patriots - Lost to 5th ranked team, defeated 8th ranked team. Best 3 man receiving core in NFL (Welker/Moss/Watson).
8. Ravens - Only lost to 7th ranked team, good defense, good offense (ranked 3rd in total offense), number 1 Rush defense.
9. 49ers - Not much to say, only loss is to 2nd ranked team, willis is a good player. Division should be a lock.
10. Broncos - 4-0 team, have only allowed an average of 6.5 PPG.
11. Bengals
12. Bears
13. Steelers
14. Falcons
15. Chargers
16. Jaguars
17. Texans
18. Packers
19. Cowboys
20. Cardinals
21. Titans
22. Panthers
23. Dolphins
24. Lions
25. Redskins
26. Raiders
27. Seahawks
28. Bills
29. Chiefs
30. Buccaneers
31. Browns
32. Rams
here are mine
ill comment on top 10
1. Saints - Can run the ball with Pierre Thomas and Mike Bell, not to mention Drew Brees is an excellent QB (And this has opened the running game). After letting up some points against Detroit, the defense has actually become part of the team and has let them become more dominant. With wins over the 5th and 6th ranked teams, they are currently the team to beat.
2. Vikings - Excellent pass rush, good rush defense. They lead the NFL in sacks to make up for a "average" pass defense. +5 turnover ratio is also helping. ADP is the best TB in the NFL right now and Favre is making some noise. Have a win over the 9th ranked team.
3. Colts - Garcon, Wayne, Clark, Addai, Brown, Manning, and their 2nd string receiver is currently hurt. Just too many weapons on offense to cover, but no defining win yet (best win came over 16th team).
4. Giants - Eli might be hurt but they are still dominant, good receiving options and good backfield, and know how to get the job done.
5. Jets - Only lost is to 1st ranked team, defeated 7th ranked Patriots. Rex Ryan and the defense are doing great things, and the offense at least has some threats.
6. Eagles - Only lost is to 1st ranked team, dominated rest of opponents, even with Colb starting. Whole team looks good, Mcnabb and Westbrook are expected to return soon.
7. Patriots - Lost to 5th ranked team, defeated 8th ranked team. Best 3 man receiving core in NFL (Welker/Moss/Watson).
8. Ravens - Only lost to 7th ranked team, good defense, good offense (ranked 3rd in total offense), number 1 Rush defense.
9. 49ers - Not much to say, only loss is to 2nd ranked team, willis is a good player. Division should be a lock.
10. Broncos - 4-0 team, have only allowed an average of 6.5 PPG.
11. Bengals
12. Bears
13. Steelers
14. Falcons
15. Chargers
16. Jaguars
17. Texans
18. Packers
19. Cowboys
20. Cardinals
21. Titans
22. Panthers
23. Dolphins
24. Lions
25. Redskins
26. Raiders
27. Seahawks
28. Bills
29. Chiefs
30. Buccaneers
31. Browns
32. Rams
Oh hey look who's leading the NFL in interceptions! It's Darren Sharper, the guy who the Vikings should still have on their team but their front office is retarded!
In any case, I'm glad the Vikings won again last night, but I fear they will fall apart near the end of the season and lose in the playoffs, like last season (if they even make the playoffs, who knows about Chicago).
I also enjoy how fine user "~Dave"'s best retort to my well-thought out post was a childish picture and nothing else. The Patriots are a good team, but you don't need to get butthurt when someone points out the facts.
In any case, I'm glad the Vikings won again last night, but I fear they will fall apart near the end of the season and lose in the playoffs, like last season (if they even make the playoffs, who knows about Chicago).
I also enjoy how fine user "~Dave"'s best retort to my well-thought out post was a childish picture and nothing else. The Patriots are a good team, but you don't need to get butthurt when someone points out the facts.
As much as I hate Brad Childress and co. you have to admit, they have been excellent in acquiring talent these last few years. AP, Farve, the Williams, Antoine Winfield, EJ Henderson, Jared Allen, Steve Hutchinson, Bernard Berrian, Sidney Rice, Percy Harvin, etc. Thats 4 1st team All-Pro players, at least 3 HOFers and Playmakers all over. The Vikings are a very dangerous team.
I think this is a really nice list, my only comments are that I think the Bengals are a little too high (something just seems fluky about the wins over Packers and Steelers) Titans are a little too high (maybe the best 0-4 team in history? they'd be solid if they had some wide receivers) and the Seahawks are a little too low (Hasselback will be back soon, plus the Lions, Redskins, and Raiders are all lolworthy).
Also...
This is unnecessary and offensive. Grow the fuck up.
oh no, i never thought the chargers would be able to win it but it was still disconcerting to see rivers drive his team down for a td twice, in succession. you are right though, we played well on both sides of the ball.