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The Everything NFL Thread - 2013-2014 Edition
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yondie that's plausible, but they still traded 4 picks to move up one slot. nobody else was going to trade that much value for trent i dont think.
I think what happened is that Irsay told his GM to make a bunch of crazy calls to see if anyone would bite. Who even knew Trent was available? I don't think anyone expected the Browns to give up on him this fast.
Alternatively: who else would have even traded for him? Arizona needs a solid RB kinda but they aren't going to deal a 1st rounder for him. Pittsburgh could have used him but Le'Veon Bell is coming back soon IIRC. St.Louis could use an RB after letting SJax go but they don't wanna give up any of their picks either. In reality, the Colts might have actually overpaid out of desperation. Yeah, I just flip-flopped.
I think what happened is that Irsay told his GM to make a bunch of crazy calls to see if anyone would bite. Who even knew Trent was available? I don't think anyone expected the Browns to give up on him this fast.
Alternatively: who else would have even traded for him? Arizona needs a solid RB kinda but they aren't going to deal a 1st rounder for him. Pittsburgh could have used him but Le'Veon Bell is coming back soon IIRC. St.Louis could use an RB after letting SJax go but they don't wanna give up any of their picks either. In reality, the Colts might have actually overpaid out of desperation. Yeah, I just flip-flopped.
Richardson was pretty much a consensus top 5 pick coming out of the 2012 draft... I'd imagine most any team would be willing to give up a 20+ pick to get the guy who might be the best RB in the league 3 years down the road. Of the teams that might make the playoffs this year, the Packers (they've only invested a 2nd round pick in Lacy), Falcons (Steven Jackson's contract is mostly non guaranteed, even if it's kind of a dick move), Saints (Ingram needs to go), Rams (the other Richardson is average at best), 49ers (Gore is about to be done, no guarantees that Lattimore will be ready when it happens), Cardinals (Arians loves Mendenhall, though), and Giants (depending on the level of internal panic about Wilson) should have been at least interested enough to pursue talks about it... and that's just if the Browns want to stick to the NFC! The fact that a player went for significantly less than what he was worth a short 18 months ago and apparently without causing much of a stir around the rest of the league is troublesome.
If your scenario is true, that would either mean that the Browns GM made a mistake being too hasty to get rid of him by not calling around to other teams first, or he didn't think Richardson was worth more than what was offered. If I had to guess, it's probably the latter... but why?
If your scenario is true, that would either mean that the Browns GM made a mistake being too hasty to get rid of him by not calling around to other teams first, or he didn't think Richardson was worth more than what was offered. If I had to guess, it's probably the latter... but why?
I agree, pretty shocking the Browns let Richardson go considering what they invested to get him and especially what they let him go for...I mean, did anyone even know he was being shopped? Only question is if they can be worse than the Jaguars now, who manage that without having to trade a potential stud RB. Though I guess assuming things somehow go their way, getting a top QB and WR in R1, followed by a replacement good RB in R2-3 (since RB is a devalued position these days) is kinda enticing to give up now. But that's also kinda turning off your fanbase quite a bit to talk about rebuilding and waving the white flag 2 games into a season.
Of course, if the Browns end up winning the Super Bowl or some crazy thing in a couple of years, perhaps we'll all be wondering why we doubted them lol.
Of course, if the Browns end up winning the Super Bowl or some crazy thing in a couple of years, perhaps we'll all be wondering why we doubted them lol.
Holy hell. When's the last time a big-name player was even traded?
Honestly this may not even be a bad trade. Granted his career thus far makes for a small sample size and he did play for the Browns, Richardson hasn't proven to be more than merely competent. Until he proves to be better than that, I'll take the first-round pick. I'm still blown away it happened at all, though. Damn.
Honestly this may not even be a bad trade. Granted his career thus far makes for a small sample size and he did play for the Browns, Richardson hasn't proven to be more than merely competent. Until he proves to be better than that, I'll take the first-round pick. I'm still blown away it happened at all, though. Damn.
0-0 tie perhaps? Or if the Jags give in and sign Tebow, Jags would win and lose their #1 draft sot because Tebow Time. /sarcasm
T-Rich has played behind a shitty offensive line his whole career. With Weeden under center, defenses know they can stuff the box. Add on the fact that the Browns just didn't utilize him correctly offensively, it's easy to not be impressed by his numbers so far or give him the bust label.
But let's not forget Richardson is only 22. He not only has time still to improve with heaps of talent and potential, but he'll have a chance to showcase his abilities for once on a contending NFL team, where the setup for success actually exists. Perhaps the Colts' offensive line is just as shitty as the Browns', but defenses aren't gonna stack the box against Luck and Wayne, and surely the Colts coaching staff will use T-Rich correctly after making the effort to acquire him.
But let's not forget Richardson is only 22. He not only has time still to improve with heaps of talent and potential, but he'll have a chance to showcase his abilities for once on a contending NFL team, where the setup for success actually exists. Perhaps the Colts' offensive line is just as shitty as the Browns', but defenses aren't gonna stack the box against Luck and Wayne, and surely the Colts coaching staff will use T-Rich correctly after making the effort to acquire him.
We should be excited as football fans. An Elway talent matched up with the best RB in a draft. That rarely happens in football. And when it does, playoffs become the norm. Rivers +LT2 and Eli + Tiki are recent examples, this one has the potential to be better because both are so young.
Wait I thought they Browns had a pretty good O-line, they just had terrible QBs? They have a perennial Pro Bowl LT in Joe Thomas, and I have never heard anyone say the rest of the line was bad. I could be wrong though.
They should have a good o-line -- implying they've underperformed up to this point in the season -- but have not protected Weeden well and opened up few holes to run through.
Revis, Palmer twice, Flynn (though he wasn't a starter), Cutler for Orton are what come to mind. The better question is "when is the last time a starting RB was traded?" and I can't actually think of one besides Herschel Walker but I know DM or Waterbomb or someone is gonna come in and tell me I'm forgetting someone.
did some hero call eli manning an elway talent
colts and browns trying to edge each other out in sucktitude, as both teams got ripped off in this trade. for the colts, rbs are expendable and trading away your future o-line/defensive picks that you really need for a rb who is 95% likely to not even be with the team when you're actually in contention for a super bowl is just a mistake plain and simple. if richardson had proven to be a superb talent beforehand then maybe it's worth it, but as it stands, i would rather just have the 1st round pick and try to get actual pieces for the long-term
the browns went all in for richardson and now have given him up for a mid 1st rounder. just poor value overall
colts and browns trying to edge each other out in sucktitude, as both teams got ripped off in this trade. for the colts, rbs are expendable and trading away your future o-line/defensive picks that you really need for a rb who is 95% likely to not even be with the team when you're actually in contention for a super bowl is just a mistake plain and simple. if richardson had proven to be a superb talent beforehand then maybe it's worth it, but as it stands, i would rather just have the 1st round pick and try to get actual pieces for the long-term
the browns went all in for richardson and now have given him up for a mid 1st rounder. just poor value overall
You're contradicting yourself there. If RBs are expendable and you can't trade away your future for them, then why is a mid 1st rounder poor value for Richardson? You can't have this both ways...
because the browns don't have any rb as a replacement and traded him away for far too little, especially considering their investment. the colts simply don't need richardson for their team, that's all it comes down to
So what if he did? John Elway is one of the most vividly overrated quarterbacks of all time. In his 6th-10th seasons when you take TD-INT he was -2, 0, +1, +1, +1, -7. He was also one of the shittiest Super Bowl qbs ever, not once, not twice, but three times (including one of the wins, he was horrific)! He had one above average Super Bowl, and it was in his last try out of 5 tries. Eli Manning is John Elway, and if that should tell you anything it is that the results rarely tell the story - Eli Manning is absolutely not a guy worthy of being a two time Super Bowl MVP, and John Elway absolutely fucking was not either (and luckily, unlike with W. Manning, he was at least not recognized one of the times he did not deserve it).
John Elway is a "winner" by the storylines and how events kept shaking out...but he was a fucking fantastically awful loser for 10 seasons, as well as overwhelmingly underwhelming when performing in championship chances.
All you had to do was use enough brainpower to read one more line of his extremely long post to realize that he also included Philip Rivers and Eli Manning in that comparison.
How does this even physically work?
because the value a trade has for one team doesn't equal the same value for every single team in the nfl, you have to judge your teams weaknesses, strengths, what you put into the initial prospect, what you've gotten out of them on your team, how your team's expectancy stats compare to anothers, etc.
this trade had negatives for both teams imo, although i feel the browns slightly won it more so they can ship up their o-line or trade it in a package for a top 2 pick if it somehow escapes them. but the colts 100% didn't NEED richardson, all it does is make them a prettier team for the short-term. when richardsons out of the league in 5 years, it'll become more clear. but again, the way the browns got ripped off is that richardson's young enough and has shown enough potential to be worth more to a team who DOES need him, especially considering what they invested into him. unless the browns 100% have a plan for the offseason for it that'll make this worth it right away, its a bum deal for the browns. if it really is all they couldve gotten (which i dont think it is, i think the giants and broncos would both have interesting proposals that'd have been better deals), then that really sucks for them, but oh well
I agree that the Colts didn't need Richardson, but Bradshaw's pretty much an injury waiting to happen. Bradshaw is a more than serviceable back when healthy, but after what happened to Ballard, I'm sure they didn't want to take any chances. And considering the fact that the Browns ended up getting a 1st round pick that's going to be a late pick, you can even argue that the Browns could have gotten more in return for T-Rich.
So it's bad in regards to both teams because one team didn't need him and gave up a 1st round pick to get him, while the other team easily could have gotten more in return.
So it's bad in regards to both teams because one team didn't need him and gave up a 1st round pick to get him, while the other team easily could have gotten more in return.
This is probably the ONLY time i'll say this: RUN THE GOD DAMN BALL. Ok, got that out. You got Alex Smith. He sucks. Give it to Charles!
Okay, ok, oookay to be fair the eggs have shut down the running game so far so i guess it isn't that dumb.
Just a thought, but Reid deserves a good passing qb. The things hed be able to do... He doesn't get enough credit but Reid is a genuis when it comes to offense but has always been limited by his QBs.
Okay, ok, oookay to be fair the eggs have shut down the running game so far so i guess it isn't that dumb.
Just a thought, but Reid deserves a good passing qb. The things hed be able to do... He doesn't get enough credit but Reid is a genuis when it comes to offense but has always been limited by his QBs.
Marshawn Lynch jumps to mind. Can't think of any other time it happened during the season, too, that's what makes it even rarer.
I don't really care about the trade. Smart for Colts, smart for Browns long-term. And they got a 1st, there wasn't even an RB drafted in the first this past spring. Everyone won (who cares if the pick eventually busts, look at current value).
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