The Everything NFL Thread

[GB_Packers_Ftw]

@Radke
lol i never denied we had horrible Strength of Schedule on paper I just said it doesnt totaly discredit us. How many of those losses came from statisticly decent teams? not accounted for. Weather? not accounted for. Location? Time? Rest?Altittude?Hype?Breakfast?COLORS? I was getting more so at the fact that S. O. S. Is 100% bull and is useles. Besides even stat wise its to early to predict SOS. What if the cowboys lose for the rest of the season? (ideal situe-lol comish miller light comcercial) What if the Vikings lose to us and win out only to get lit up by the Packers in the playoffs? (lol). SOS is just complete bull.

@Aero
Maybe Brady* should have won the last 6MVP's? I'm not trying to discredit him*, its not like he* has a virtual playbook of every team in the league. Either way Favre deserves it more. Its not Most Valuable Team, not Most Valuable Spygate User, and heres the biggie- It's not most valuable team, its all about the player. Indivual. Favre. not Brady*\Moss*. Not Brady*. Favre wins games man have you seen the highlights? 4 4th quater W's for the Man. Thats 3 more than brady* has come back from.

Now pats* fans say "we don't have to come back because brady* just gets us ahead anyways! Duh dude brady* for MVSU (spygate user)"

Well no man, he doesnt get you ahead. because the reason your so far ahead is your def, running game, or some insane snag by randy moss*. Now thats great, go Pats*...but then you look at the ticker and see that GB is leading the chiefs 23 to 22...wait..just 6 minutes ago it was 16-22...Then the highlight comes on. Brett Favre hits Greg Jennings for a 60 yard td with 3 Minutes left in the game. Thats Mvp son, thats mvp.

EDIT: @Americandream

Jeez you Packers Haters post fast..i write this thing to find 3 more posts.

Alright son this is the shit: the pats* are good on paper, brady* is good on paper..ok fine? I'm not discrediting them, ive said this before. but heres where im coming at you from- the only stat that matters is that Big Fat W on the scoreboard at the end of the day. So you take the Most important stat , the W, and you ask yourself..who has the most this season that are there simply because of their presence? Brett Favre son Brett Favre. I've said this before im sick of it tbh, tom* brady* does not win football games, the pats* (spygate) do. Their Defence, their run game..things the Packers just don't do that well, on paper anyways. But thats just the thing in Green Bay. We dont mess with paper, not in Titletown. All we mess with is the big W. And yes i know we are 7-1 and the pats* are 8-0 But what i mean is Favre had 4 4th quater comebacks, brady* has 1.

 

[Deck Knight]

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You know GB_Packers_Fan, throwing asterisks around really doesn't mean anything. Don't you think after the Jets game the NFL would be HOUNDING the Patriots for any sign of impropriety?

But, that doesn't matter much, now that everyone has PDS: Patriots Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

Um...why are you discrediting the Patriots this year by calling them the Spygate Users every other sentence? That's about as narrow minded as calling all Packers wins lucky.

If W's is what it's all about. Let's see who has more. Oh look, Brady does. I guess he has all of those because he must have stole all the signals in the first quarter of the first half of the first game against the Jets and then just used all of that against the next 8 teams.

Just btw, no one even talked down on Packers or questioned their wins until someone defended their wins OUT OF NOWHERE.

 

[CaptKirby]

Browns are clearly the biggest surprise. I was one of few people who said they were not an awful team in the wake of the Bengals win (everyone was all 'lol even though they won lol they are shit come on'). Of course, I thought the Packers were less legitimate than the Browns at that point, so no one is perfect :x

Storm, you are an asshole for being glad that someone is injured.

 

[DM]

tom* brady* does not win football games, the pats* (spygate) do. Their Defence, their run game..things the Packers just don't do that well, on paper anyways. But thats just the thing in Green Bay. We dont mess with paper, not in Titletown. All we mess with is the big W. And yes i know we are 7-1 and the pats* are 8-0 But what i mean is Favre had 4 4th quater comebacks, brady* has 1.

No, you're right, Brady doesn't win football games. It definitely doesn't help the team to throw 6 touchdowns.

Look killer, no one is denying the fact that Favre is playing like he's 25 again. They're just saying that Brady is doing better. Live with that.

And just because Favre threw the ball to Jennings and JENNINGS MADE THE PLAY to get 60yds into the end zone doesn't reflect on Favre. Not every pass play over 20 yards is because of the QB.

 

[GB_Packers_Ftw]

No, you're right, Brady doesn't win football games. It definitely doesn't help the team to throw 6 touchdowns.

Look killer, no one is denying the fact that Favre is playing like he's 25 again. They're just saying that Brady is doing better. Live with that.

And just because Favre threw the ball to Jennings and JENNINGS MADE THE PLAY to get 60yds into the end zone doesn't reflect on Favre. Not every pass play over 20 yards is because of the QB.

Then acording to your logic, brady's* Td passes don't mean shit either its all moss* so why should he be MVP?...Back to square one with pretty much exactly what aero said to me last page...

EDIT: If Americandream isn't talking down to the Pack then idk what talking down is tbh.

@Aero people continually were saying i'll believe it when i see it, etc. I had to man it up and show them we are legit despite expert espn opions.(like parcels lol he hates us.)

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

Dude, again, who gives a fuck what other people think? Being a fan is sticking to your team REGARDLESS of what either happens or waht other people say about your team. But pointlessly repeatedly annoyingly trying to prove that your team or player is the best will get you know where. I mean, I have much more satisfaction sitting here thinking Texans can turn it around and are legit and will win more and will sneak into AFC playoffs etc etc, rather than trying to argue that those things will happen.

Like before, if you think your Packers are legit, then so be it. But don't try to force other people to see it your way. If your team really is legit, then they'll prove it later, cause nothing you say will change any of the other football fan's mind.

If the Packers win it all, then you'll have the last laugh. Until then, just sit back and enjoy the ride Farve is giving you.

 

[Mr.E]

And just because Favre threw the ball to Jennings and JENNINGS MADE THE PLAY to get 60yds into the end zone doesn't reflect on Favre. Not every pass play over 20 yards is because of the QB.

On that same vein, just because Welker does the same thing every time he gets a pass or Moss makes his double/triple coverage look stupid 50 yards downfield twice a game doesn't reflect much on Brady.

Moss should be the real MVP, but because QBs get all the glory (and the blame) it'll be given to Brady anyway.

 

[CZ]

On that same vein, just because Welker does the same thing every time he gets a pass or Moss makes his double/triple coverage look stupid 50 yards downfield twice a game doesn't reflect much on Brady.

Moss should be the real MVP, but because QBs get all the glory (and the blame) it'll be given to Brady anyway.

Quoted for truth. Regardless of a win or loss, the QB will always take the blame. Unless your QB has a bruise (oh no Cutler, what about that Rockies Pitcher that won a game with a broken bone?). Back to the discussion at hand, Wide Outs never get the credit they should, who cares about a guy who sprints 30 yards total, catches a ball between a Corner and a Safety, breaks a tackle coming from another Corner and then another Safety misses too, then runs 70 yards for a TD. He couldnt have done that w/o the QB right? So it must have been the QB.

 

[Ancien Régime]

You mean the guy consistently throwing 40% completions and ~75 yards a game? But yeah, once he removes his head from his ass they'll truly be a force to reckon with.

How about the guy who is, going back to last season, 14-5 as a starter in the toughest division in football, the guy who is doing that with absolutely NO offensive help (if one of those Titan recievers make a catch down the stretch against Indy Tennesee is likely leading their division right now)

 

[Pratty]

If you guys don't mind, I would like to interject slightly on the MVP Brady/Moss thing.

While it's true Moss makes amazing catches, you ever notice how there is almost no margin for error?

Now, how many QBs do you think can throw the ball into that little window, other then Brady?

I can only think of 1 or 2(Peyton Manning and possibly Carson Palmer).

Now, I'm not discrediting Moss: He makes amazing plays and does some real hard crap, and I actually agree he should be in the MVP hunt instead of Brady(Though, if Adrian Peterson keeps up his year and goes for 2,000, I don't see how you can't give that guy the MVP), but I'm just throwing something out.

 

[DM]

Then acording to your logic, brady's* Td passes don't mean shit either its all moss* so why should he be MVP?...Back to square one with pretty much exactly what aero said to me last page...

No, we're not, because when Brady puts it in the absolute perfect spot for Moss to catch it and all he has to do is fall back to the earth in the end zone on his feet, I'd say it's more QB than WR. Add in the INT comparison, Brady is absolutely playing better overall than Favre.

On that same vein, just because Welker does the same thing every time he gets a pass or Moss makes his double/triple coverage look stupid 50 yards downfield twice a game doesn't reflect much on Brady.

Moss should be the real MVP, but because QBs get all the glory (and the blame) it'll be given to Brady anyway.

The problem with WRs is one doesn't catch every single pass... Welker has more than Moss, and I'd say all his catches-for-1st-downs are more important than Moss's bomb TDs, but Moss is a more impressive athlete. What it comes down to is this: if Matt Cassel is in there, are either of those guys anywhere near as effective? The answer is no, and that's why QBs get all the credit.

How about the guy who is, going back to last season, 14-5 as a starter in the toughest division in football, the guy who is doing that with absolutely NO offensive help (if one of those Titan recievers make a catch down the stretch against Indy Tennesee is likely leading their division right now)

I wasn't talking down on him, I'm saying he hasn't been an impressive throwing QB. No, he has no offensive help, but the great ones work without it. I don't think his potential has been truly realized yet, not by a longshot, but if his stats continue in this vein the Titans will be just like last year's Bears, except without a shot in hell at the SB.

 

[CardsOfTheHeart]

Here's something that's been briefly touched on:

What about Adrian Peterson for MVP? Sure, if the Pats go 16-0 (which they won't), then Brady would get it no questions asked, but if the Vikings somehow get into the postseason and he goes for 1800 or something like that, Adrian would have to be the clear choice IMO.

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

I don't know...he might end up getting the Lebron Treatment for MVP in the NBA. LeBron could have easily won it the last 2 years, but most of the voters thought of process are "he'll definitely win one in the future, so lets give others who deserve it now."

And if you're telling me AP won't win one in the future then you're a dumbass. Brady is long overdue for an MVP anyways. =/

 

[DM]

If the Vikes made the playoffs and AP ran for 1,800, he'd be my second pick. Brady has already put up number to win MVP if he stopped playing for the rest of the season, there's absolutely no way anyone else can be chosen over him this year.

 

[GB_Packers_Ftw]

Idk about AP, i mean being a Packers fan i hate him. But MVP? Maybe. It's hard to decide who deserves it...the vikings won't make the playoffs which sort of detracts from the MVP theme as he didn't get them anywhere, even though he didnt play alot until when they played us, and we -pretty much- shut him down. I still would like to see the NFL get more involved in spygate because fines don't do anything. And omg a 1st round pick...wow. It won't effect them the slightest. In court if theres even the slighest doubt that someone isnt innocent then they have t find more evidence. How can you proove that using spygate on the Jets didn't impact that entire season? Just to many doubts. Anyways about the WR\QB thing the QB's job is much harder tbh. Seriously throwing is much harder than just catching the ball. I realize you need to get open but reading the defense, knowing what everyone is doing, and just hurling it so far takes more talent than running and catching it. they both are hard and thats just how i feel

 

[Mr.E]

I don't think AP is going to win MVP because he's a rookie. Aside the idea that a lot of people are going to look at that and think, "Well he's just off to a lucky start," he's already a lock for RotY and they won't want him hogging all the accolades. He's already going to win RotY, let someone else by the MVP and give them some glory too. Brady has MVP on lockdown if he comes even close to equaling his first-half pace anyway.

How about the guy who is, going back to last season, 14-5 as a starter in the toughest division in football

Vince Young doesn't play in the NFC East :( ??

If you guys don't mind, I would like to interject slightly on the MVP Brady/Moss thing.

While it's true Moss makes amazing catches, you ever notice how there is almost no margin for error?

blagh blagh blagh

There's really nothing even there half the time. It doesn't have much to do with Brady at all, he just puts it in the general area of Randy Moss and Moss goes up and gets the ball over his puny defenders because he's that big, he's that atheletic, he's that good.

And just because there's nowhere else to mention it, a good WR does more than just catch the tough balls thrown his direction. He also stretches the defense out, opening things up for other receivers (*coughwelkercough*), and makes downfield blocks on DBs on rushing downs or other receivers with the ball. Not that Moss is known for his great blocking the way Hines Ward or TO are, but he does draw coverage like nobody else.

What it comes down to is this: if Matt Cassel is in there, are either of those guys anywhere near as effective? The answer is no, and that's why QBs get all the credit.

I'm not trying to take away from Brady, the football community has only been discussing Brady/Manning the past five years as the best two QBs in the league. But for the longest time, many Brady supporters have lamented, "If Brady only had a receiving corps as good as Manning, he could put up those numbers too." And guess what? He's never done it before, but all of a sudden he is now that he has an all-star cast of receivers.

Doesn't that say something about the receivers more than Brady? Brady's taken his game to a whole new level because his receivers are, finally, top-tier. You couldn't replace Brady with Matt Cassel and have him do the same job, but I bet a Tony Romo or Carson Palmer back there could put up similar numbers. Brady's still having a season for the ages, though.

 

[Mr.E]

lol double post

Idk about AP... we -pretty much- shut him down.

12 carries for 112 yards. 9.3 rushing average. Yeah, the Pack really shut him down.

 

[Drakhun]

Peterson is like pre-brief tenure-of-glory-Bungles Dillon. He's a realy good player on an otherwise unspectacular team, who can win a few games on his own. He's good, but the Vikes won't make the playoffs, even with him.

My MVP pick: Kitna. Kitna is spectacularly underapreciated as a player, despite being remarkabley consistant. He's an excellent leader, and has revived the lions to a glory they haven't seen in years. Kitna's not nealry as showy as brady, but he makes up for it in leadership and consistancy.

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

Also, you pretty much described LT of roughly 4-5 years ago. Amazing numbers, great to watch, but suck ass Chargers teams.

 

[Ancien Régime]

Vince Young doesn't play in the NFC East :( ??

AFC South is MUCH better than the NFC East.

The Colts are still arguably the best team in the NFL (That game could have gone either way; it didn't defnitively prove anything other than that the Pats and Colts are better than everybody else.) Dallas is the third-best team in the NFL but nothing more, nothing less.

Tennessee, if Mark Jones could make an easy 20-yard catch, beat Indianapolis 23-22 and are at 7-1 right now leading the division. They have possibly the best D in football.

Jacksonville also has an amazing D, Maurice Jones-Drew is a gamebreaker, and if they had a QB they'd be in the mix for the division, but they're going to struggle to get the WC. Even without a QB they'd be the 2nd best team in the division.

Houston is decent.

 

[GB_Packers_Ftw]

lol double post



12 carries for 112 yards. 9.3 rushing average. Yeah, the Pack really shut him down.

Yeah considering we won the game and did not allow him to score, and if you take away his best which was 55 yards the average is almost half the 9.3... The 55 yard run was our fault and basicly a blown assignment. He never got in for 6 so yes, we did shut him down. Considering what he has done to other teams id say we did a damn good job agaisnt him.

 

[JTH]

Yeah considering we won the game and did not allow him to score, and if you take away his best which was 55 yards the average is almost half the 9.3... The 55 yard run was our fault and basicly a blown assignment. He never got in for 6 so yes, we did shut him down. Considering what he has done to other teams id say we did a damn good job agaisnt him.

Please, stand up, you'll probably need to hop off to do so, so go ahead.
You're doing just what you said people did to your precious Packers. "Well if we didn't let him get the 55 yard run, he would have less blah blah*****"


No shit. If I take away a few of Brett's TD's, then you probably wouldn't be 7-1. And no, just because he didn't get a touchdown doesn't mean you shut him down, and nor does the fact that you beat his team. You may have shutdown the Vikings, but not Adrian.
As YOU said, it's about the best PLAYER, not the team.

The fact is, Brady has done the comeback thing Farve has been doing too, he just hasn't needed to as much this year because he's done the best he can do, along with the rest of his team, and he didn't NEED to make 4th quarter comebacks.
You have to judge canidates equally, you can't value one guys touchdown throws more than anothers.

Please, let your team do the talking, because you aren't representing them very well right now.

 

[GB_Packers_Ftw]

Lol. I took away it away only for average because clearly he wasn't getting 9.3 yards a rush. that would be insane. Lol taking away Td passes makes no sense beause your not comparing it to an average. And wow i could take away brady's* tds and wouldnt we all be happy? It's about the PLAYER not the TEAM...YEAH FOR FUCKING MVP not a single game. OF course i can say certain TD passes are more important. Dont sit here and tell me that the 82 yard pass to win the game in OT wasnt more important than brady's* whatever yard pass to some guy when they were up by 60 already???? And i pretty much am letting my team talk, we are 7-1 son, 7-1. Talk now? Sure there is 1 other 8-0* team out there but i dont give a damn because we are going to light them up come super sunday.

 

[Storm FTW]

Storm, you are an asshole for being glad that someone is injured.

yeah.
I saw a guy at McDonalds have a seizure and me and my friend was hoping he died.
Sadly he lived.
I am an asshole. =)

Favre > Brady in terms of being a great QB
Brady's team > Favre's

Brett is the greatest QB of all time.
no doubt about it.