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The Everything NHL Thread
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Leafs before Devils!
It's really too bad that we can't have a first round 4-5 match up, by default, of Caps and Lightning because that would be one hell of a series. Guess we'll have to settle for another edition of Caps and Pens..
Anyway, the Hawks are pretty motivated right now.. I wouldn't be surprised to see them steal the division. Not that it would matter that much opponent wise for the Wings or Blackhawks... seeds 5 through 8 are a complete jumble and probably will be until game 82. But I'm pretty comfortable saying Detroit and Chicago will hold seeds 2 and 4 come playoffs, not necessarily in that order.
Anyway, the Hawks are pretty motivated right now.. I wouldn't be surprised to see them steal the division. Not that it would matter that much opponent wise for the Wings or Blackhawks... seeds 5 through 8 are a complete jumble and probably will be until game 82. But I'm pretty comfortable saying Detroit and Chicago will hold seeds 2 and 4 come playoffs, not necessarily in that order.
Free Agency coming up, they do have the capspace for Vokoun or so
I love how you're so ignorant. The last post was the first time i got on a computer since my other post you're responding to. Also, if we were discussing this say, mid-Hawk streak you might have some legitimacy there, but we were discussing this post 8 game win streak. nice try though.
Yeah, giving up three first period goals is totally a fluke victory. As Mike Babcock puts it "catch up hockey is losing hockey."
Legitimate is a very kind (and way too optimistic) way of putting the situation. Of the 3-8 teams having a shot at overtaking Detroit. Of those 6 teams, only Chicago and San Jose have an above .500 past ten and don't have the weight of a bad first half ALA Calgary holding them down. Everyone else has a sub .500 past 10 record and are trailing by 7 or more points (max nine points, which is the eighth place LA Kings). As i said, you're gonna have to hope and pray The Wings start losing alot.
If that's what you meant, then how about wording it that way? Instead of saying "Hawks are leading series 2-1 and play the wings three more times so that's six points right there" in a post filled to the brim with confidence, how about wording your posts better to avoid confusion?
Also, i failed to mention, i really got a kick out of reading what's left of Chicago's schedule.
We argued about it last night and the NHL agrees with me:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/pu...t=AvitNatUhxpfbVwAndblPnc5nYcB?urn=nhl-331961
Ryan Smyth was the victim of a similar hit and pretty much sums up my view on the entire incident. The NHL needs to investigate ways to make the rink more safe in the areas around the player benches.
Yes we are discussing this post 8 game win streak because you can't talk shit about a team in the middle of a huge win streak. Of course once they lose and have only won 8 out of the past 9 games, it's open season lol.
are you going to try and tell me that Crawford, who was 8-0-0 in his past 8 games, giving up 3 first period goals, and then having Vokoun stop every shot in a 3rd period that was completely and utterly dominated by the hawks not at the very least a little bit of fluke? I mean honestly.
Wings have been inconsistent for a while, having them drop a few straight games is definitely not out of the question, and then it's likely that 3-4 teams are within 2-3 points of knocking the wings down to a low seed, possibly even to the point of missing the playoffs. The Wings recently have not been anywhere close to the force that they were at the beginning of this season.
I worded my post in a way that anyone could understand, yet you still had a problem with it. Although judging by the rest of your post I shouldn't be all that surprised.
Except we never started discussing this until after Chicago lost... We weren't even talking about this mid streak. I wasn't thinking about targeting the Hawks until last night (the first time i got on a computer since the last post, so i wasn't thinking about the debate or how i could target Chicago without getting burned because of their streak, nor was i intending to target Chicago to reiterate), and you happened to go on "explaining how Chicago will/can catch up. I happened to notice Chicago lost that to the Panthers and kind of laughed at that claim. The mighty blackhawk's winning streak snapped by a lowly Panthers squad stripped bare of most of its talent. Of course, I am open to the possibility of Chicago winning 8 straight again, but the rest of the Hawk's Schedule testifies to something else that might happen (cooling off and settling in fourth? who knows. I can't tell.) Let the record show that this debate that you started didn't take place until March 7, between the date of Chi's last win and their current loss to the lowly Panthers. Not midstreak.
It's called Hockey, anything can happen. Just because a Goaltender is hot one night or multiple nights doesn't guarantee he will still be steady the next night. The rule applies for every pro sport. Nothing is guaranteed to happen. That's why when i posted my estimated final Eastern Conference Standings i made sure to say that everything could change if trends change. It's entirely possible. Apparently you haven't learned this rule.
3 losses in a row does not constitute inconsistency. Or are you willing to say that the Hawks are inconsistent as well?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0 lol wat? you just jumped down the ladder of credibility for suggesting the very slight probability that a team that has made it to the playoffs for 19 straight seasons, that has been the model NHL hockey team during that span, that has been in the top two in the western conference for all of the season, that has dropped 4 straight one goal games (The San Jose game was a one goal-ish game, it only looks worse because of the effort of a single individual and not the whole team) might fall out of playoff contention? If this is a joke, you succeeded at making me laugh. That's the most retarded thing i have read in a long time.
There's a reason for that... Just try and imagine what it's like losing Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Dave Bolland, Marty Turco (Yes, i am fully aware that he is the backup) and a host of other supporting cast for a month or so then have them all come back at the same time. Maybe you'll understand why the Wings are still getting their legs back together.
popemobile said:
How do you know anyone would understand? Did you interview them? How do you suggest it is possible to understand completely what you want me to understand that it's "A posibility" without evening using the word while writing your post in a confident style by saying A). Chicago is six points out of 1st in the central, B). that the Hawks have taken 2 of 3 games against the wings, and C). mentioning they are playing their best hockey of the season. All this is stated without mentioning the word "possible" once. This can open your statement up to interpretation. If you aren't specific enough with your posts, they'll get torn to shreds.
You must have a 410 post cold streak J-Man, but hey, anything can happen right?
I honestly don't even know how to respond to that post, it's like arguing with a 12 year old.
Pot calling the kettle black. I'll assume you've hit intellectual bankruptcy by just trying to insult me without a legit argument.
Honestly, i don't understand what you mean by cold streak. I also don't believe this was a necessary post either.
You literally have not made a coherent response to any of my points. Nothing you have said makes any sense as a rebuttal to my arguments. I'm not going explain my points again because that's a waste of time.
I was hoping to have a sensible NHL discussion with my friends but somehow I ended up in the dickmobile and J-moron thread.
regardless, Hawks now just 5 points back in the Central after a joke shootout goal by St. Louis but w/e. STAY HOT
I have said all along that Chara is one of the most despicable goons this league has ever seen. He's a dirty fighter and a fucking cheapshot artist pussy for a man of his size. I don't buy for a MILLISECOND that he "didn't know where he was on the ice" and that this was "just a hockey play gone wrong."
And don't even get me started on Campbell having to recuse himself because of Greggy playing for the Bruins. Fucking horseshit.
And don't even get me started on Campbell having to recuse himself because of Greggy playing for the Bruins. Fucking horseshit.
Please explain in great detail. I'm eager to learn where my faults are. I don't think i've said anything wrong.
I guess that suspension flowchart posted tens of pages ago was somewhat correct in this ruling. I could agree with the NHL's decision if this was just a regular hit, but a hit like that on a player that wasn't involved in the play should have warranted more than a few games.
It is really, really difficult to justify not giving a suspension to Chara when you look at this picture..
I also think it's odd that people are calling this a hockey play where someone unfortunately got injured. An interference penalty was called (correct btw as the puck was tapped ahead long before real contact) meaning this was illegal contact and NOT a hockey play. And we have the whole head shot rule now.. which if you look at the picture, Chara's head is up, eyes directed at the head of Pacioretty, and glove to the face. I get that Chara is 6'9 and it's easier for him to take out someone's head incidentally or whatever but come on..
I also think it's odd that people are calling this a hockey play where someone unfortunately got injured. An interference penalty was called (correct btw as the puck was tapped ahead long before real contact) meaning this was illegal contact and NOT a hockey play. And we have the whole head shot rule now.. which if you look at the picture, Chara's head is up, eyes directed at the head of Pacioretty, and glove to the face. I get that Chara is 6'9 and it's easier for him to take out someone's head incidentally or whatever but come on..
There is history between the two players, Pacioretty taunted Chara after scoring and pissed him quite a lot in the last game between the two teams. Definitely a possibility that he picked this moment to get back at Max.
As for the league's ruling, it is a joke, as always. This league is a joke. They're not even trying to protect their players... including their top stars in fear of "denaturalising the game." This league is run by goons at every level, including the terribly awful players association that refuses to protect its own members. I have no respect for that association.
This league rationalizes injuries coming off cheap shots as 'part of the game' and it pisses me the fuck off.. especially when the reaction is the same as they lose their best players. It isn't as bad as it used to be (see Scott Stevens, a HoF career made off blind hits) but there's a lot of room left for improvement.
Although unrelated to hits, I never understood why players aren't required to wear full plate visors or a grid. Also, fights, while they entertain me, need to go.
As for the league's ruling, it is a joke, as always. This league is a joke. They're not even trying to protect their players... including their top stars in fear of "denaturalising the game." This league is run by goons at every level, including the terribly awful players association that refuses to protect its own members. I have no respect for that association.
This league rationalizes injuries coming off cheap shots as 'part of the game' and it pisses me the fuck off.. especially when the reaction is the same as they lose their best players. It isn't as bad as it used to be (see Scott Stevens, a HoF career made off blind hits) but there's a lot of room left for improvement.
Although unrelated to hits, I never understood why players aren't required to wear full plate visors or a grid. Also, fights, while they entertain me, need to go.
It is really, really difficult to justify not giving a suspension to Chara when you look at this picture..
I also think it's odd that people are calling this a hockey play where someone unfortunately got injured. An interference penalty was called (correct btw as the puck was tapped ahead long before real contact) meaning this was illegal contact and NOT a hockey play. And we have the whole head shot rule now.. which if you look at the picture, Chara's head is up, eyes directed at the head of Pacioretty, and glove to the face. I get that Chara is 6'9 and it's easier for him to take out someone's head incidentally or whatever but come on..
That picture is horribly misleading. Chara never makes contact with his face, and his arm is on Pacioretty's shoulder. The interference call was borderline at best, but necessary under the circumstances (not starting a 3rd period riot). Other players get away with checks that come much later than when Chara hit him without getting an interference call.