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Pens acquire the forward their GM has been harping about- Kovalev.

Ray Shero continued to remodel the forward corps of the Pittsburgh Penguins by adding Alex Kovalev from the Ottawa Senators for a 2011 conditional draft pick. Pittsburgh will transfer their own 7th round pick in 2011 to Ottawa, however, in the event Pittsburgh advances to the second round of the playoffs and Kovalev plays in at least 50% of the games in the first round, Pittsburgh will transfer their own 6th round pick in 2011 instead of their 7th round pick.
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what the FUCK talk about conditional...and CHEAP. Jesus.

The Atlanta Thrashers have traded defenseman Brent Sopel and left wing Nigel Dawes to the Montreal Canadians in exchange for center Ben Maxwell and a 2011 fourth-round draft pick.
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rip off again, I think, unless this maxwell is supposed to be good. Nigel Dawes is kinda bleh, he was waived by the flames a while back but Sopel is pretty good.

The Anaheim Ducks continued their quest to shore up their goaltending and help their push to qualify for the Stanley Cup Playoffs, which arrive in less than two months.

Thursday morning, the Ducks traded goalie Curtis McElhinney to the Tampa Bay Lightning for backup goalie Dan Ellis.
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Looks like the goalie nobody wants, McElhinny, is on the move again! Kind of a wash, IDK, another random goalie swap.

Things heating up in the trade market, much more exciting than last year the snoozer.
 
Thank goodness, my friend was trying to convince me Montreal was going to take Kovalev back. Keep him away, please.

Sopel's a solid if average defense, which is about as much as we can expect to get I suppose. Maxwell's supposed to be decent I think? We have enough young guys fighting for roster spots as far as I can tell, so losing one isn't that big a deal.

Also I remember telling someone that Ottawa would have to pay a team to take Kovalev. They didn't go quite that far, but judging from what they're getting out of the deal they came pretty damm close. I wonder if they get that 6th rounder if he's on the ice but not playing?
 
Morm said:
Looks like the goalie nobody wants, McElhinny, is on the move again! Kind of a wash, IDK, another random goalie swap.
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It's a great deal for Tampa because now all 3 goalies (Roloson, McElhinny, Smith) are UFA's after the season. This means Yzerman can go out and poach his choice of goaltenders in the offseason.

Noteable free agent goalies: Vokoun, Bryzgalov, Niemi, C Anderson, J Howard, Nabokov (though I think the Islanders suspension fucks him over iirc), Theodore, Josh Harding, Boucher, Emery

Noteable RFA's: Varlamov, Crawford


Interesting ones to me from those lists would be Jimmy Howard and Corey Crawford. Howard because it will be interesting to see how much he wants versus how much Detroit would be willing to pay. If the Wings won't meet his asking price, another team will. Meanwhile, Corey Crawford is RFA but Chicago could see a repeat of last offseason's goalie goalie drama due to their cap. Brent Seabrook will be asking for a raise and Sharp is going to need an extension after next season.
 
The Carolina Hurricanes made a move to solidify their club for the stretch run Thursday, acquiring left wing Cory Stillman from the Florida Panthers in exchange for center Ryan Carter and Carolina's fifth-round pick in the 2011 Entry Draft.
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lots of minor moves, I can't wait for the big ones to go down closer to the actual deadline.
 
Lots of crazy moves happening. Now that Pegula is in the driver's seat and is opening up the wallet, let's see what Regier can do this weekend. I think his job for next season should depend on it.
 
huh. Yeah a LOT of waiver jockeying thus far- this is what happens when you sign players to long and expensive contracts. To bring them in you gotta remove a shit load of money. This is why a performance clause or something needs to be written into this cap circumventing bullshit.
 
Just a question, but if/when the Rangers are healthy, what are their forward lines gonna look like? I've been trying to get accurate pairings for my video game.
 
Morm said:
huh. Yeah a LOT of waiver jockeying thus far- this is what happens when you sign players to long and expensive contracts. To bring them in you gotta remove a shit load of money. This is why a performance clause or something needs to be written into this cap circumventing bullshit.
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I only hope we can put Craig Rivet through again. And then again.
 
beats the fuck out of 6.9 for bouwpussymeester. That guy has no slapshot, can't hit and the only reason for his ironman streak is because he cowers more than a small european.
 
The best part of all this is the hawks will probably try to sign Crawford, who has basically saved our ass this year, for under 2 mil.

Never change, mr. bowman.
 
Didn't want to post until I had some official word but yeah, damn, 5.8 for Seabrook :/ There's parts of this I like conceptually -- mostly that I think they're right that it works better to invest in defenseman than in goaltending, which has been proven by almost every cup run since the lockout -- but this price tag just seems outrageous to me. They definitely needed to keep him, but while he's gotten a lot more opportunities to play on the offensive side of things this year he's still the #2 guy there to Keith and having a higher cap hit than him just seems... odd. I feel like what Seabrook brings is worth more around 4-4.5. This is going to be hell for them to fit under the cap.

Here are the Hawk's Cap Hits once Seabrook's new contract kicks in for some of their more expensive players:

Jonathan Toews: 6.3m
Patrick Kane: 6.3m
Marian Hossa: 5.275m
Patrick Sharp: 3.9m
Brian Campbell: 7.142m
Duncan Keith: 5.538m
Brent Seabrook: 5.8m
Nicklas Hjalmarsson: 3.5m (thanks San Jose!)

This adds up to about 43.755 mill for 4 forwards and 4 defenseman. They can probably get by with 2 value D, but they really need at _least_ 2 more quality scoring forwards, one of which is probably not Dave Bolland who they have signed for 3.375 a year(which gets us up to a little over 47 mill) to play third line center. Given that the cap next year isn't likely to be any higher than 56 mill, if that, 9 million is not very much money to cover 3 defenseman 2 goalies and 8 forwards to get to a full roster, especially considering that includes a starting goalie and a couple second line players.

The cap management of this team boggles the mind.


I wouldn't be shocked if they bury the Campbell contract, but considering how cheap this franchise was until a few years ago it seems kind of odd to imagine them sinking that much cash into nothing. It's worth nothing Sharp is only signed for another year, and as much as they say they aren't willing to part with him I'm not really sure how you field a team with his hit included on there. Awful lot of slots to fill with very little money.
 
well I just did some CAPMATH, and this is assuming a cap increase of ~4 million which I think is what's projected for 2011-12:

Kane (6.3 mil)/Toews (6.3 mil)/Sharp (3.9 mil)
Hossa (5.25 mil)/Bolland (3.375 mil)/Brouwer (2 mil)
Bickell (541k)/?/Stalberg (1.5 mil)
Beach (1.17 mil)/Scrub (500k)/Morin (1 mil)

Keith (5.6 mil)/Seabrook (5.8 mil)
Campbell (7.2 mil)/Hjalmarsson (3.5 mil)
Leddy (1.1 mil)/Vishnevsky (800k)
Scott (500k)

Crawford (2.5 mil)
Scrub (800k)

TOTAL: 59.695 mil
Cap Space: 3+ mil

so that's 3+ million to sign a dece center and maybe replace a forward. Not all that bad but it's really gonna suck when we try to resign Sharp next year.

edit: should also be noted that Leddy is an absolute fucking steal at 1.1 mil

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Synre said:
Given that the cap next year isn't likely to be any higher than 56 mill
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where are you getting that from?

EDIT3: I guess reports are looking like the cap will increase by 2-3 million so that means the forward depth is gonna suck ONCE AGAIN next year. Oh well

EDIT4: Even though Campbell's been our best defenseman this year, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Hawks traded him away to get the cap room. I mean he's been fantastic this year but not 7 million+ level, but at least his value has gone up a lot so it'll be much more likely to get a team to take him (still unlikely though)
 
Synre said:
Didn't want to post until I had some official word but yeah, damn, 5.8 for Seabrook :/ There's parts of this I like conceptually -- mostly that I think they're right that it works better to invest in defenseman than in goaltending, which has been proven by almost every cup run since the lockout -- but this price tag just seems outrageous to me. They definitely needed to keep him, but while he's gotten a lot more opportunities to play on the offensive side of things this year he's still the #2 guy there to Keith and having a higher cap hit than him just seems... odd. I feel like what Seabrook brings is worth more around 4-4.5. This is going to be hell for them to fit under the cap.

Here are the Hawk's Cap Hits once Seabrook's new contract kicks in for some of their more expensive players:

Jonathan Toews: 6.3m
Patrick Kane: 6.3m
Marian Hossa: 5.275m
Patrick Sharp: 3.9m
Brian Campbell: 7.142m
Duncan Keith: 5.538m
Brent Seabrook: 5.8m
Nicklas Hjalmarsson: 3.5m (thanks San Jose!)

This adds up to about 43.755 mill for 4 forwards and 4 defenseman. They can probably get by with 2 value D, but they really need at _least_ 2 more quality scoring forwards, one of which is probably not Dave Bolland who they have signed for 3.375 a year(which gets us up to a little over 47 mill) to play third line center. Given that the cap next year isn't likely to be any higher than 56 mill, if that, 9 million is not very much money to cover 3 defenseman 2 goalies and 8 forwards to get to a full roster, especially considering that includes a starting goalie and a couple second line players.

The cap management of this team boggles the mind.


I wouldn't be shocked if they bury the Campbell contract, but considering how cheap this franchise was until a few years ago it seems kind of odd to imagine them sinking that much cash into nothing. It's worth nothing Sharp is only signed for another year, and as much as they say they aren't willing to part with him I'm not really sure how you field a team with his hit included on there. Awful lot of slots to fill with very little money.
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Out of all of the players you listed, the only necessities are Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook. I'm not sure about the years on some contracts, but worse case scenario they end up like the Lightning were 2 years ago. The Lightning always had Lecavalier and Martin St Louis, which is a pretty solid starting base for a rebuild. They got Stamkos, and are now second place in the east. Chicago will be fine for years to come with a solid, young core to build around, it just sucks that players like Hossa, Campbell, and Hjalmarsson are being over paid.
 
So Carl/Synre: as people who get to watch many more Detroit games than I do, you can answer this:

Do they always get away with fucking murder??? Christ almighty.
 
Buzzcut said:
Out of all of the players you listed, the only necessities are Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook. I'm not sure about the years on some contracts, but worse case scenario they end up like the Lightning were 2 years ago. The Lightning always had Lecavalier and Martin St Louis, which is a pretty solid starting base for a rebuild. They got Stamkos, and are now second place in the east. Chicago will be fine for years to come with a solid, young core to build around, it just sucks that players like Hossa, Campbell, and Hjalmarsson are being over paid.
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I wouldn't say Hossa's being overpaid but rather he's underperforming this year. A 5 mil cap hit for Hossa is a pretty good deal if he's playing well (like he was at the beginning of the season). I agree with the other contracts being big over payments though
 
popemobile said:
I wouldn't say Hossa's being overpaid but rather he's underperforming this year. A 5 mil cap hit for Hossa is a pretty good deal if he's playing well (like he was at the beginning of the season). I agree with the other contracts being big over payments though
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Yeah, Hossa isnt overpaid at that price at all. Campbell is a huge waste of money considering he is usually a liability at all ends of the ice and really at this point I'd make him pay me to let him play. Hjallmarsson needed to go when San Jose put that huge offer sheet up on him, there was no reason to match him, he isnt close to a good enough player to even want to deal with the paperwork. Hossa on the other hand, carried the Penguins through the playoffs against Detroit, carried Detroit through the regular season the following year, got injured around playoff times and suffered through, had a good season once he was back with the Hawks, played solidly all the way through the playoffs and won a cup. This year he's been on and off injury, still playing solid O, putting up decent numbers. The other factor that Hossa never gets credit for is that he is one hell of a penalty killer, shot blocker, and take-away specialist. Well worth his cap hit, I would say.
 
I guess I under rated Hossa. I looked up this years stats and he's at almost a point a game and 32 (I was assuming he was older). Not terrible, but I still stand by saying he isn't part of the core of the team, although he helps for sure.
 
In case anybody didn't see this:

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In reference to his earlier tweet on McCabe to the Rangers likely being done and Dreger shooting it down, Nick Kypreos accidentally tweeted a message meant to be private:

@RealKyper I'm confident it will get done. Those f***ers at TSN try to discredit me all the time. I'm really pissed! As always....thank for you...(end message)

In reply to that:

@TSNBobMcKenzie @RealKyper You probably thought that was a direct message Kypper. LOL

@FriedgeHNIC @RealKyper Outstanding.
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