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I don't understand what's so odd about the comment he made. I find it more odd that the writer tries to make it look like a cheap shot towards the Hawks. Sedin was just saying that his team wasn't playing as good as they are capable of and that if they played like they should have then the Hawks wouldn't have been in a game 7. He didn't say the Hawks weren't good enough. He didn't call out specific teammates. He was including himself as a part of the team.

Pretty much what I was going to say before my browser crashed on me. The article misconstrues Henrik's comment and creates it into a slight on the Blackhawks. Henrik's true intentions are far from that, that he's talking about the team and that they should have played better in game 4 and 5 in order to finish the game before game 7.

The Detroit-San Jose series is intriguing. I can only see San Jose taking the series if Niemi plays like a deity. Their defense isn't as strong compared to Detroit, Nashville and Vancouver, and Niemi is going to be relied on a lot in this series. Other than Boyle, I feel as if the rest of the defense won't be able to fend against Detroit's offense. Also, it'll definitely be an asset if Marleau, Thornton and Heatley decide to show up. I haven't been watching the LA-San Jose series as in depth as I would want, but I know that Couture and Clowe have been performing quite well. If their top players play up to their regular standards, then I feel San Jose has a good chance.
 
Synre, to clarify my comments I was referring to their late regular season form which was not very good (not their destruction of the Coyotes). But yeah should be a good series, I think we took the season series 3-1 or something (I could be mistaken though, my memory is getting progressively poorer) so hopefully we can continue to hold our own against the Wings.
 
Round 2 predictions, now with 100% less Habs :(

Western Conference

#1 Canucks vs. #5 Predators
I think that the Hawks are Vancouver's Kryptonite; with them out of the way, Vancouver will prove that they have a top team.
Canucks in 6

#2 Sharks vs. #3 Red Wings
Should be a close series with two great teams, but I think the days of the Sharks of chokers are done.
Sharks in 7

Eastern Conference

#1 Capitals vs. #5 Lightning
As much as I want to predict Tampa, Washington seems to have the whole playoff thing figured out, and unlike the Pens they're healthy.
Caps in 5

#2 Flyers vs. #3 Boston
Again, really, really want to predict against Boston, but the teams are practically equal except in net, where the Bruins gain a huge advantage.
Boston in 7

Went 5-3 in Round 1, earning some bonus points for predicting both length and team right for WSH-NYR and BOS-MTL (also got the length right for PHI-BUF but not the team :( )
 
In other news, Perry, D. Sedin and St. Louis are nominated for Hart. Thomas doesn't even get a nomination, proving once again that NHL awards are a fucking joke.

I'll post my 2nd round predictions in a bit. Ended up going 3/8 in the first round because I picked too many underdogs (Hawks, Sabres, Coyotes), and lost the coin flip on Preds/Ducks and TB/Pens
 
I don't think goalies should be nominated for Hart. They already have the Vezina. How often do you see pitchers win the MVP in baseball? Cy Young is usually considered the MVP award for pitchers. The Vezina is basically MVP for goalies while Hart is MVP for skaters.
 
I don't think goalies should be nominated for Hart. They already have the Vezina. How often do you see pitchers win the MVP in baseball? Cy Young is usually considered the MVP award for pitchers. The Vezina is basically MVP for goalies while Hart is MVP for skaters.

Except that pitchers and goalies do win their respective MVP awards, so it's not like there isn't a precedent for it. The most valubale player is the most valuable player regardless of position, and to think that Thomas shouldn't even be nominated for the award is pretty silly.

edit: and when you think about, the player who wins the Art Ross usually has the best shot at winning Hart, so you could make the argument that the Art Ross is basically the MVP for skaters even though it's an objectively awarded trophy.
 
Since 1954, the Hart trophy has been won by a goalie only 3 times. Is Tim Thomas worthy of MVP consideration? Would the Bruins miss the playoffs with a different goalie? Keep in mind that they have a Norris candidate on the blue line and they have several excellent backchecking forwards. His numbers are very similar to the numbers that Rask put up last year which leads me to believe he is more of a product of the team than an actual MVP candidate.
 
I wouldn't have nominated Thomas either, since the Bruins would probably have still easily won that division with a shaky Tukkka Rask, but do think Henrik Lundqvist should have been nominated, as he took a team that should have been in the conference cellar into the playoffs and kept them competitive against the conference's #1 seed(which is irrelevant for Hart considerations but since I know probably most of you only saw him in the playoffs, there is an example of his work this year).

I don't understand the aversion to goalies for the Hart. Skaters have tons of other awards too -- Art Ross goes to the scorer that scorers the most and Selke goes to the forward who plays best in both ends(not to the best defensive forward), which are two of the main factors that would go toward voting a skater for MVP anyway. I think that regardless of position the MVP should be the player who was most valuable to his team -- that is, to the player who's team would be worst off without him -- which to me is pretty clearly Lundqvist. I'm not huge on the options this year just because St Louis and Perry both play on pretty ridiculous lines, but I'd vote St Louis were I a voter because when the Stamkos gravy train fell apart St Louis did not, and the supporting cast there is weaker than in Anaheim, especially on the blue line. I don't think Sedin is really worth considering even with the scoring title because we've seen what his team looks like without him due to his injury last year, and like my argument against Thomas earlier, the Canucks still won their division without him. Perry or St Louis being gone might have kept either of their teams out of the playoffs completely. If Washington and San Jose hadn't gotten so ridiculously hot after the new year with much deeper rosters, St Louis and Perry would have carried average teams to division titles(4 and 6 points off, respectively), so I think this should be a two horse race.

For fun EDIT: My ballot if everyone was available:

1. Henrik Lundqvist
2. Marty St Louis
3. Corey Perry
4. Shea Weber
5. Ryan Miller

All of the division winners were too deep to have a real MVP candidate in my eyes; you could have deleted any one person from any of them and not really lost much outside of maybe Lidstrom in Detroit, who I'm still not sure was even one of the three best Defenseman this year so yeah, not including him.

Round 2 predictions later...
 
The fact Sedin got nominated was kind of a joke. Take him off the Canucks they would still easily win their own division. If the Hart was most oustanding player he would surely win. Also the fact that a goalie should not win MVP is absurd.

My ballot:

1. Pekka Rinne
2. Carey Price
3. Corey Perry

Round 2 Predicitons

Canucks in 6: It would cool to see the Preds upset, but I think that Sedins/Kesler/Luongo will actually show up.

Sharks in 6: Not much faith in my own team mostly because how they played the Kings and its of course the Wings. Have to support regardless.

Caps in 7: Could go either way but it seems the Caps are a different team this year, and Tampa should have easily beaten Pittsburgh.

Bruins in 5: Apparently Carter is done with an MCL tear and Phillys 3 goalie circus is going to cost them.
 
I would say that the Hart will probably be won by Perry. Guy was a workhorse during the latter half of the season, where he picked his game up to a new level. He had an insane PPG I believe in the months of March, and April, during when voting starts, and his presence on the team made them so much better. He is a goal scorer, but he brought grit and physicality (we all hate Perry when we play him) to Anaheim, that was pretty damn valuable to their winning, especially after Hiller was sidelined with vertigo.

If Sedin wins the Hart because he won the Art Ross, I'm going to declare the award a joke. He was great, but not as great as Perry. Vancouver had great depth all year, and got good production out of most of their players. As we saw last year, even when one of the twins go down, the other and the entire team will pick up the slack.

And Synre, I would have nominated Rinne over Weber. Small sample, but watching Rinne play the Canucks, was nothing short of God-like. Highway robbery saves in every game, and he kept the high scoring Canucks to less than 2 goals per game (if memory serves me correct) in the latter half of the season.

Round 2 predictions:

Vancouver Canucks (1) vs. Nashville Predators (5)

Predators have a great d-corps and an insane goalie, who will inevitably steal games for them. Canucks have a great d-corps also, matching up with Nashville (in terms of top pairing, Nashville wins out, but in depth, the Canucks win out). Nashville lacks the high goal scoring ability however, while the Canucks present plenty of offensive choices. If Luongo stays on his game, I see the Canucks taking the series in 7.

San Jose Sharks (2) vs. Detroit Red Wings (3)

Talked about this series in the last post, but the X factor is Niemi and how well he plays for the Sharks. If Niemi doesn't pick up his game, and San Jose's top players (Heatley, Thornton and Marleau) are quiet during this series, Detroit will easily take this. Detroit has a great number of playoff performers in Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Franzen. Can't really talk about Howard, but I heard he's a good enough for Detroit. Detroit has a great defense to back him up also. However, if Niemi plays well and San Jose's goal scoring ability doesn't die out in this series, I see it going San Jose's way. I'm going to bet that Niemi plays well enough so that the Sharks take it in 7.

Washington Capitals (1) vs. Tampa Bay Lightning (5)

I feel that the Capital's conservative play style and good offense will beat out whatever the Lightning offers them. Stamkos may be a factor but Ovechkin is a born competitor. As long as the Capitals don't suffer any defensive gaffes (I'm looking at you Green), Washington in 6.

Philadelphia Flyers (2) vs. Boston Bruins (3)

Drama-rama-rama. Two big rivals go head to head. I don't see last year's playoff series being a factor unless somehow Boston is up 3-0. Boston has played well as of recently, but the fact that Philadelphia has crazy offensive depth, and that Pronger is getting better, I see Philadelphia in 7.
 
I wouldn't have nominated Thomas either, since the Bruins would probably have still easily won that division with a shaky Tukkka Rask, but do think Henrik Lundqvist should have been nominated, as he took a team that should have been in the conference cellar into the playoffs and kept them competitive against the conference's #1 seed(which is irrelevant for Hart considerations but since I know probably most of you only saw him in the playoffs, there is an example of his work this year)

Tuukka Rask was under-.500 in games he got the decision in, and I think he was the only one among backup goaltenders behind potential Vezina candidates where this was the case. From what I remember when I saw the stats (about a month ago I think), Thomas/Rask had the only really notable statistical differences, so to say that Boston would've easily won the division is just not true. In fact you could make the case that Boston is the only team that would've done significantly worse starting their backup goaltender in comparison to the other teams with Vezina candidates (Preds, Rangers, Canucks, Kings, Habs to an extent although Auld didn't really get any playing time at all) based on the stats of the backups compared to the starters.

edit: so on top of having the best stats for a goaltender this season, it's easy to make a case that he also was the most valuable member of the team based on those stats.
 
Rask also put up a .931s% and 1.97gaa in 20 more games last year and I think it's reasonable to assume that if he'd gotten more work this year he'd been able to battle out of the funk he started in. He was better in the second half of the season than the first, too -- Thomas kept him on the bench by playing better, but if Rask had had to play they'd have done fine the way Rask's stats were heading. Boston won the division by 7 points as it was, it's not it was close to the point Rask choking a couple games would have changed their positioning, had that potentially occurred.

To use this year's numbers a little, while Boston lost more games than they won with Rask you can't really blame him for a lot of it, anyway -- even with a terrible start Rask ended up with a .918 save%, which is the same as Jonathan Quick and Marc-Andre Fluery and .01 higher than Corey Crawford, all of whom won at least 30 games.
 
The bigger complaint: why the FUCK is Richards not suspended? I would be OK with this if he had actually gotten the major+misconduct like he should have LAST game, but instead he got a joke minor and came back and had primary assists on the tying and winning goals. There was clearly basically no punishment there. So to me it seemed like an obvious decision to suspend for at least one game... (and I'd have given him more than that with carry over to Round 2 or the regular season next year) but I'm not surprised the NHL did nothing, either. Worthless as always, especially when it comes to the Flyers. Sometimes I really don't understand why anyone would want to play in the NHL with player safety being as irrelevant to the brass as it is.

Welcome to my fucking world. Obvious turning point in the series.

Shit call on Myers that led to the Briere PPG, how do you make that fucking weak of a call in a Game 7.

Yes, but that one call didn't exactly started the snowball effect in the game. That event would have been the opening faceoff, you know, right before we were outshot 16-2 in the opening period.

I don't understand what's so odd about the comment he made. I find it more odd that the writer tries to make it look like a cheap shot towards the Hawks. Sedin was just saying that his team wasn't playing as good as they are capable of and that if they played like they should have then the Hawks wouldn't have been in a game 7. He didn't say the Hawks weren't good enough. He didn't call out specific teammates. He was including himself as a part of the team.

That's exactly how I read it too. That's just the media's job, to make something out of nothing.

Since 1954, the Hart trophy has been won by a goalie only 3 times.

Hasek twice + Theodore, right? I'd say each of them deserved it, so there's no reason to say a goalie couldn't win it again sometime in the future.

For fun EDIT: My ballot if everyone was available:

5. Ryan Miller

I'd say that the player more important to the Sabres this season was Thomas Vanek. Miller missed time early in the season and again at the end, and in both cases Jhonas Enroth filled in serviceably, if not admirably. Once 2011 started Vanek took the team on his shoulders and went PPG as he willed us into the playoffs. Probably next season's captain.
 
Hasek twice + Theodore, right? I'd say each of them deserved it, so there's no reason to say a goalie couldn't win it again sometime in the future.

Also have to take into consideration that there were only like 8 different guys winning the Hart trophy from 1950-1990
 
I'd say that the player more important to the Sabres this season was Thomas Vanek. Miller missed time early in the season and again at the end, and in both cases Jhonas Enroth filled in serviceably, if not admirably. Once 2011 started Vanek took the team on his shoulders and went PPG as he willed us into the playoffs. Probably next season's captain.

My argument against Vanek is that while his stats were nearly point per game on average, Vanek is not a point per game player in the sense that when you watch a Sabres game you should expect him to get about one point. In the last 10 games of the Sabres regular season, for instance, he scored 11 points, which is pretty fantastic. However, consider this: he scored 0 points in 5 of those 10 games. He's a binge scorer, was a binge scorer all year and every year of his career, and an MVP to me has to be someone who shows up every night, not just most of the nights, which defines Miller when he doesn't have what apparently is finally being admitted as a concussion.

And Synre, I would have nominated Rinne over Weber. Small sample, but watching Rinne play the Canucks, was nothing short of God-like. Highway robbery saves in every game, and he kept the high scoring Canucks to less than 2 goals per game (if memory serves me correct) in the latter half of the season.

Similar thought to Thomas/Rinne there, Lindback had a .915 to Rinne's .930 s% this season, which while an obvious downgrade isn't nearly as problematic as losing Weber would have been, both due to his defensive contributions, which he got a Norris nod for over some people with more points than him because of, and for the fact he was 2 points off his team's lead in scoring from the blueline while leading the team in hits and finishing second for his team in shots. He's Mr. Everything for them in a way none of the other players we've talked about bar Lundqvist really need to be. Though Suter's role there shouldn't be downplayed either, they were terrible while he was out. I'm eager to see Ryan Ellis on their blue line in a couple of years, who I think would have been the OHL Playoff MVP this year had his team won their conference finals appearance(and did win the OHL's Norris equivalent)... they're going to be terrifying if they can find any offense from their forwards at all.




Round 2 predictions for me... just going off of whatever I entered in the nhl.com challenge thing while I was drinking last night so the logic I write may only vaguely support my predictions, especially considering I intentionally predicted my two favorite teams regardless of my actual expectations:


1 Vancouver vs. 5 Nashville

I'll be rooting Predators hard during this series because while I know some of our Canadian friends aren't so fond of them, they're a well-respected franchise down here for what they've managed to do with so little money. Well-coached, hard-working, but not goony the way some other similarly designed teams like St. Louis are, it's an easy team to root for as an outside observer. I don't think it's any secret Rinne would have to steal this one for the Predators to win, however, because the star power is just SO imbalanced. It's hard to look at a position other than maybe goal(unless you count the coaches!) and think "yeah, the Predators have an edge here." In spite of that, I think I would have predicted at least a 7 game series out of this if I hadn't seen the Predators post-round1 press conference where they all looked like they'd pretty much just won the lottery, especially Barry Trotz. I feel like Nashville's goal was to get to round 2 for the first time in franchise history and the Canucks' is to win the cup, and I'll take the team who isn't complacent any day. Expect the Predators to try to get a lot of traffic in front and fire away with Weber, which is a strategy that has been executed with a lot of success against the Canucks in the past, but probably fail to generate enough to get by a much better designed Canucks team that isn't going to share the puck very much. Canucks in 6.

2 San Jose vs. 3 Detroit

My hockey savvy likes San Jose a lot in this matchup. They're maybe the only team in the West I think can score as well as Detroit with four lines, they have a similarly talented(but I'd argue, less deep) blue line, and most importantly they're just as skilled as Detroit top to bottom while being much larger. Home ice was actually a disadvantage on average in round 1, but the Shark Tank is one of the NHL's most imposing arenas and I think that there's a good chance that'll be a big factor in this series. There are two things I like for Detroit in this: one is that Jimmy Howard finally looked like a playoff calibur goalie in round 1 whereas Niemi did not, and the lines Detroit were using against Phoenix have the muscle spread out well enough that they'll be able to be pretty relentless around the net to combat the rebound machine that is Niemi. Look for Bertuzzi, Holmstrom, Cleary, Helm, and Abdelkader to have big series if Detroit is going to win this. The other is that Pavel Datsyuk was playing absolutely out of his mind in round 1 and in a series were both teams are going to try to control the puck a lot he has potential to be the x factor. I think San Jose will probably win like this if I'm being honest, but honesty doesn't have much place in sports so as a resident of Michigan Red Wings in 6(because I can't see them winning a Game 7 in San Jose and this is really straining credulity as it is).

1 Washington vs. 5 Tampa Bay

I have to admit I'm pretty ecstatic about this series. While Tampa is only about my fourth favorite team in the East(though they'll pass Buffalo the moment the Sabres call up that chump Kassian), I love watching their stars and have warm fuzzies about their GM being the captain I grew up watch and all, so I'm hoping the winner of this series will make it to the SCF. As far as this round... I really don't like predicting against St Louis and Rolly, but Lecavalier and Stamkos have been rather inconsistent the past few months(though Vinny is in business in the playoffs thus far) and that worries me against a Caps team that is probably going to be able to get some goals in against a blueline that isn't as defensively sound as the one they played last round. Expecting both teams to clam up a bit more than you might expect for a match-up that features both Alex Ovechkin and Steven Stamkos, but with the talent on the ice any game could break open at any moment. I think these two teams will be good for many years and that this will likely be the Caps' second biggest rival to the Penguins assuming Yzerman can bring in some talent to replace St Louis in a couple years, but in the mean time this Capitals team is much farther down the development line than the Lightning. Caps in 5.

2 Boston vs 3 Philadelphia

I predict a brawl breaks out and Mike Richards beats a fan with his own shoe, but is inexplicably not suspended for it.

Two similar teams that are built for playoff excellence with a lot of size and a decent amount of skill. I like the skill that backs up the size on the Flyers a lot more than on the Bruins, because even if Carter is out the Flyers have 3 lines of people who can score and Timonen is a much better #2 D than anyone on Boston if you consider Pronger and Chara a wash(though Pronger may not be healthy enough for that to be the case. I think Laviolette's obsessive goalie pulling might bring down a superior team, however -- Thomas has to have all the confidence in the world after outdueling Carey Price and and the Flyers tenders probably aren't even confident they'll be on the ice in the next period. Bruins in 7.

Additional note: How smart does that Nathan Horton trade last summer look now that he scored an overtime winner? Would be nice to see some more points from him, but for a guy in his first NHL playoff series that's awfully fucking clutch.
 
I see Weber and Sutter as a sum greater than the parts; Weber is effective without Sutter but not as effective, while Sutter would probably be an above average defender (actually, a bit more than above average). In my mind, the fact that they NEED to play together diminishes Weber's value a bit. Still one of the best pairings in the league though, and Weber has a great shot and is a great leader.

Nashville has a great defensive prospects. I don't know how they managed to pull that off. You mentioned Ellis as an up and coming defense man; I also know that Blum is on their bottom pairing, and as much as I am a Vancouver Giants homer, he was terrific for them, and I predict great things to come from him. Nashville is stacked on defense.

And as for San Jose, I don't think their defense matches up with Detroit. Boyle is a solid defense man, but the rest are a bit iffy. White, from what I've seen, makes defensive gaffes one way or the other. Vlasic and Demers are good defensemen, but I don't see that kind of defense being effective against Detroit.

Oh and, I'd like to thank Nashville for creating the player Hamhuis is. Holy shit is he a great defense man. Game 7 was a spectacular performance by him: blocking shots, throwing bodies around, crisp passing, shutting down the high flying Hawks, the works. Whoever Nashville is employing to scout out defensemen, they're not being paid enough.
 
Weber and Suter is a better D pairing than anything the Canucks have, and Rinne has been better than Luongo this year, but that's about all they've got on the Canucks. Their only hope is that Rinne plays his ass off or the Canucks choke, although both of those have a decent shot at happening.
 
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SECOND ROUND MATCHUPS:

Western Conference

#1 Canucks vs. #5 Predators

Prediction: Officially on the Predators bandwagon due to a severe hatred for the other remaining WC teams. Rinne gonna do cartwheels while Luongo has nightmares about Chelsea Dagger, Cansucks suck it so hard and choke away the series.
Predators in 7

#2 Sharks vs. #3 Red Wings

Prediction: Wings win the first game but are too old to do anything after that. Niemi posts a stinker early but gets redemption with a couple shutouts and another trip to the WCF. Thornton a no-show but you didn't need me to tell you that.
Sharks in 6

Eastern Conference

#1 Capitals vs. #5 Lightning

Prediction: Heartless Russians do their thing. Ovechkin plays like an MVP while Semin explodes in multiple games and puts up some solid numbers. Stamkos won't show up until a few games in and by then it will be too late.
Caps in 6

#2 Flyers vs. #3 Bruins

Prediction: Bruins finally figure out that having one more guy than the other team is meant to be an advantage for them. Thomas comes up with some monster saves to keep them in the series, and Chris Pronger wears a skirt or some shit idk.
Bruins in 7
 
My argument against Vanek is that while his stats were nearly point per game on average, Vanek is not a point per game player in the sense that when you watch a Sabres game you should expect him to get about one point. In the last 10 games of the Sabres regular season, for instance, he scored 11 points, which is pretty fantastic. However, consider this: he scored 0 points in 5 of those 10 games. He's a binge scorer, was a binge scorer all year and every year of his career, and an MVP to me has to be someone who shows up every night, not just most of the nights, which defines Miller when he doesn't have what apparently is finally being admitted as a concussion.

I can't disagree with your reasoning behind the points, but something that not many people outside Buffalo would know about Vanek is what he brings to the team every game. Watching him over the course of the season, everyone here noticed that he was doing the little things to help bring success to this team. He might not show up on the scoresheet, but he should get assists for the brutality he faces standing in front of the net to screen for those goals.

While Tampa is only about my fourth favorite team in the East(though they'll pass Buffalo the moment the Sabres call up that chump Kassian)

Please nooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
No discipline for Ference

And why would there be? Fuck the NHL.

"During the hearing, Ference stated that this was incidental contact; that he saw his opponent out of the corner of his eye at the last instance and braced for the collision," Murphy said in a statement. "He further stated that the contact was unintentional. As there was no apparent injury on the play, I have concluded that this incident does not warrant discipline."

Are you FUCKING kidding me? "At the last instance"??????? Have these fucking cocksuckers ever heard of peripheral vision? He saw him the whole fucking way, it's literally IMPOSSIBLE for him not to. And since when is intentionally sticking your shoulder into a guy's head "braced for the collision"???? "No apparent injury"... oh sure, Halpern was just pretending he had his brain rattled inside his fucking skull when he was completely defenseless. Silly him, his fault for trying to SKATE PAST A GUY.

This is fucking horseshit, I hate this fucking league.
 
And Synre, I would have nominated Rinne over Weber. Small sample, but watching Rinne play the Canucks, was nothing short of God-like. Highway robbery saves in every game, and he kept the high scoring Canucks to less than 2 goals per game (if memory serves me correct) in the latter half of the season.

Guy has one good game and you're putting him over weber? Rinne is a great goalie but Weber has been a monster this season, as per his Norris nomination. You accosted me for watching most, but not all, of a game and then saying what I saw and then you say this on an admittedly small sample. You are so full of shit, I'm convinced this is your first season watching the NHL.

As for predictions (sorry it's late):

Wings in 6, SJ is a choker.
Canucks in 5, though this could dramatically change if nashville trolls them a bit.
Washington in 7, but that is gonna be a fucking dogfight I think. Great matchup.
Boston in 6, revenge is an bitch.

DM, I totally agree with you. This league is full of shit on that ruling. What is up with the lack of consistency? Even if it WAS an accident (which it wasn't, you're right), it should be treated like manslaughter- not the persons fault but still fucking punishable. If they take a strip off of an accident and have a true zero tolerance policy, it will deter cheapshots that are intentional. This just makes an abusable precedent.
 
Picking french in the first round turned out great (6/8)

Doing the same :

Canucks over Predators in 5
Sharks over Red Wings in 5
Flyers over Bruins in 7
Lightning over Caps in 3

Still leading to :

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Guy has one good game and you're putting him over weber? Rinne is a great goalie but Weber has been a monster this season, as per his Norris nomination. You accosted me for watching most, but not all, of a game and then saying what I saw and then you say this on an admittedly small sample. You are so full of shit, I'm convinced this is your first season watching the NHL.

Did you not read the part where it says "small sample" implying that my opinion is based off those games against the Canucks? Also, if Rinne played well against the TOP OFFENSIVE TEAM IN THE LEAGUE, I would expect that he'd play very well against others AS his 2.11 and .930 SV% show.

And by the way, Chara was nominated for the Norris and his defense was mainly bolstered by the playing of Thomas. Your point in that he was nominated for the Norris is weak at best.

Oh and you do realise that Sutter has been equally as good, if not better defensively? Weber is a great player and leader for Nashville, but Sutter has been equally good.
 
Well he sort of also is a Vezina nominee.

I'm personally not a huge fan of goalies being nominated for the Hart trophy. It is a special and unique player that gets 60 minutes of ice time a game which makes it vastly important to every team. The goalie could be seen as the 'most valuable player' of about half the teams in the league. I wouldn't want the Hart nominations to become something like the NHL's daily 3 stars, which always include a goalie or two ('if no skater scored 2 goals today, pick the goalies that didnt let many in').

They get the Vezina, which to me is just as important as the Hart trophy, frankly, and I am still fine with one of them occasionally being nominated for Hart and even occasionally winning it. It just should remain occasional.. and actually more rare than occasional.

The Art Ross is not the forwards' Vezina, it is the forwards' Jennings.

St-Louis, Perry & Sedin sound like pretty good picks to me (and hope Martin brings it home).
 
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