Serious The Politics Thread

[faint]

I already mentioned that they were Provence over time as fake leftists and seen as leftists by a good chunk of people, garnered attention and some promoted themselves as such (never cared about Dave Rubin myself to check if he openly promoted himself as such), none of your waffling of what constitutes as leftist in your purist marxist/anarchist mind changes anything of that and just moves the goalpost away.

Second thing about democrats being "overall bad" is not the point and just a further shifting away of the goalpost from "Democrats just all bad" leftists exposing themselves more and more as either living in "all or nothing" utopian socialist La-La Land or turning into opportunistic grifters such as Brianna Joy Gray who has been flirting with the far-right since 2020 and continues to repeat their conspiracies for years now.

All they really do as result is to help Donald Trump while believing their actions would at some point lead to "socialist revolution" (however marxist and some anarchists define socialism) and if Trump comes into power and turns USA into right-wing dictatorship in this "process" they pretty much say "so be it" (a viewpoint really baffling to me seeing LGBTIQ+ sharing since they're quite literally the most fucked under a second Trump term alongside muslims). Frankly insane accelerationists are even openly happy about that more and more likely scenario since young voters are moving into voting for Trump, a phenomenon already seen in european parlament elections last week.

It wouldn't even shock me anymore at this point if she were another plant by the right to sow chaos in the emerging left, especially after the emergence of DSA and Bernie Sanders campaigns in 2016 and 2020.

Okay, I believe you're saying these in good faith so I'm going to attempt to tackle the fallacies I believe are in your argument.

I already mentioned that they were Provence over time as fake leftists and seen as leftists by a good chunk of people, garnered attention and some promoted themselves as such (never cared about Dave Rubin myself to check if he openly promoted himself as such), none of your waffling of what constitutes as leftist in your purist marxist/anarchist mind changes anything of that and just moves the goalpost away.

Okay, so stating something without being able to provide proof of how this person is not a real "leftist" and is instead a grifter is the exact thing the latter half of your post is criticizing me off. There is no definition of leftist that is one size fits all. As I stated, I've been following her for years, back to Bernie's 2016 campaign, and I have never encountered anything that contradicts her previously stated beliefs and positions. I'm not moving a goal post. I am asking you where the goal post is and to explain to me why she's a grifter.

Second thing about democrats being "overall bad" is not the point and just a further shifting away of the goalpost from "Democrats just all bad" leftists exposing themselves more and more as either living in "all or nothing" utopian socialist La-La Land or turning into opportunistic grifters such as Brianna Joy Gray who has been flirting with the far-right since 2020 and continues to repeat their conspiracies for years now.

You fundamentally misunderstand leftists saying Democrats are all bad. We don't do this because we want to live in a fantasy land. We do this because we want to see the Democratic party become better. If you want us to vote for you, work for our vote. Once again, if you're going to accuse her of flirting with the far-right, please provide examples.

All they really do as result is to help Donald Trump while believing their actions would at some point lead to "socialist revolution" (however marxist and some anarchists define socialism) and if Trump comes into power and turns USA into right-wing dictatorship in this "process" they pretty much say "so be it" (a viewpoint really baffling to me seeing LGBTIQ+ sharing since they're quite literally the most fucked under a second Trump term alongside muslims). Frankly insane accelerationists are even openly happy about that more and more likely scenario since young voters are moving into voting for Trump, a phenomenon already seen in european parlament elections last week.

Me not voting for Biden is not going to have any effect on the outcome of the presidential race. I live in one of the bluest states in the country. I've also spoken in this very thread about how many younger people are gravitating towards Trump and got mocked for it because that doesn't fit the narrative that liberal media is telling people. But at the same time, perhaps they're gravitating towards Trump because the message the democratic party chooses to focus on is not one that resonates with them. Once again, we are asking the democratic party to do better. Biden won 2020 because young people turned out in droves due to promises like student loan forgiveness. That is how get votes; not by people telling others they're bad because not voting for someone leads to more issues for LGTBQ people and other minorities. If anything, that causes them to become disenfranchised.

It wouldn't even shock me anymore at this point if she were another plant by the right to sow chaos in the emerging left, especially after the emergence of DSA and Bernie Sanders campaigns in 2016 and 2020.

Respectfully, this is the dumbest thing I've read in this entire thread. You have sitting officials like Sinema and Fetterman showing their true colors and yet you want to focus on conspiracy theories surrounding a woman that has little to no power in any form of public policy.

 

[faint]

So far we've gone from:

"Biden is our only chance at a ceasefire"
"Opinions are stupid, let's look at polls"
"Stop moving goalposts"

to

The ceasefire "agreement " completely failing, Israel being seen as the aggressor more and more, and the shitlibs in this thread continuing to ignore the topic of Gaza because it's unimportant to them

Polls showing Biden up for 3 days and have been + Trump every day since

Polls being suspect when they show Trump winning because somehow, people can't understand how he could win. Sounds familiar

"Everyone I don't like is a grifter. How could you not love Joe Biden?"

 

[RaikouLover]

(This was one post, not sure why it got truncated)

We don't do this because we want to live in a fantasy land. We do this because we want to see the Democratic party become better. If you want us to vote for you, work for our vote.

That is not how it works. Politicians don’t owe non-voters anything. Withholding your vote from the Democratic Party makes them less likely to give a shit about young “leftists” going forward, not more likely.

Politics is about power. Either Joe Biden or convicted felon Trump will be in power in January 2025 whether young “leftist” voters come out or not. Joe Biden will be fine either way. The future of the world comes down to which administration prevails.

 

[RaikouLover]

Okay, so stating something without being able to provide proof of how this person is not a real "leftist" and is instead a grifter is the exact thing the latter half of your post is criticizing me off.

It was clear what Brie Brie was about when Bernie Sanders had to distance himself from her because she was more interested in far right conspiracy theories than supporting Joe Biden.

Polls being suspect when they show Trump winning because somehow, people can't understand how he could win. Sounds familiar

We already discussed why the polls are bullshit. It is all in the crosstabs. But you can believe these polls showing convicted felon Trump winning Minnesota, Virginia, and being competitive in New Jersey if you want. None of those states will be close in November.

Also, Dobbs is a huge factor. Democrats have consistently over performed in every race since Dobbs. In OH-6, the Democratic candidate over performed by 20 points. Actual voting results, not GOP-funded polls.

Biden will win this election. You can bookmark this post.

 

[Medeia]

(This was one post, not sure why it got truncated)



That is not how it works. Politicians don’t owe non-voters anything. Withholding your vote from the Democratic Party makes them less likely to give a shit about young “leftists” going forward, not more likely.

Politics is about power. Either Joe Biden or convicted felon Trump will be in power in January 2025 whether young “leftist” voters come out or not. Joe Biden will be fine either way. The future of the world comes down to which administration prevails.

Faints take may have a point in much more competitive european party politics (except for UK which has a similar election system as USA) where a sufficient amount of "protest votes" or non-voting campaigns can quite literally fuck up a lot of liberal / center-left parties as is happening for years now, this doesn't quite work out with US politics and won't change anything about status-quo and at worst only helps MAGA to create a dictatorship. People just feel like they're showing their protest and are actually doing something thats substantial to turn USA more towards progressive policies.

 

[RaikouLover]

Faints take may have a point in much more competitive european party politics (except for UK which has a similar election system as USA) where a sufficient amount of "protest votes" or non-voting campaigns can quite literally fuck up a lot of liberal / center-left parties as is happening for years now, this doesn't quite work out with US politics and won't change anything about status-quo and at worst only helps MAGA to create a dictatorship. People just feel like they're showing their protest and are actually doing something thats substantial to turn USA more towards progressive policies.

If we look at where the Democratic Party was under Bill Clinton, to Obama, to Hillary Clinton’s campaign, to Biden’s actual governance, how can we not see the party’s move towards embracing more progressive policies?

The USA electorate is roughly 40% conservatives, 40% moderates, and 20% liberals by ideology. Progressivism is doing well considering the overall electorate and all the big money interests and propaganda actively fighting against it at every turn. We just have to stick together and keep voting and organizing. It took the right 50 years to overturn Roe vs. Wade. The arc of change is long term.

 

[faint]

I'm now convinced there's no way convicted felon Trump can win this November. I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my chest. Thank you, everyone!

Perhaps we can use this very safe election year to push him to adopt progressive policies? It's unfortunate that we had no way to prevent Republicans from overturning Roe given it took them 50 years in such a progressive nation!

 

[lilyhollow]

Biden is invincible and cannot be defeated. So STOP BEING MEAN TO HIM RIGHT NOW!

 

[adjectivenoun]

I'm optimistic about this election, but I certainly don't take a Biden/Democrat win for granted. A Trump victory remains a conceivable reality, and continuously invoking his felony convictions doesn't change that.

 

[RaikouLover]

Perhaps we can use this very safe election year to push him to adopt progressive policies? It's unfortunate that we had no way to prevent Republicans from overturning Roe given it took them 50 years in such a progressive nation!

Overturning Roe was 100% preventable. Had people voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 instead of protest voting Stein and Johnson, the Supreme Court would look drastically different than it does today. The felon was in power, thus nominated three young, right-wing justices. Poof! Gone is Roe vs. Wade.

 

[Luck O' the Irish]

It was clear what Brie Brie was about when Bernie Sanders had to distance himself from her because she was more interested in far right conspiracy theories than supporting Joe Biden.



We already discussed why the polls are bullshit. It is all in the crosstabs. But you can believe these polls showing convicted felon Trump winning Minnesota, Virginia, and being competitive in New Jersey if you want. None of those states will be close in November.

Also, Dobbs is a huge factor. Democrats have consistently over performed in every race since Dobbs. In OH-6, the Democratic candidate over performed by 20 points. Actual voting results, not GOP-funded polls.

Biden will win this election. You can bookmark this post.

The thing with nearly all of the polls is they show basically every democrat running for senator/house/whatever outpolling Biden by 5+ points. There are a lot of bad polls out there (it’s safe to disregard the concept of trump winning Minnesota), but even more reliable polls are not demonstrating anything that suggests this will be a comfortable win for Biden. I agree that democrats holistically are overperforming, particularly since dobbs. Time will tell how accurate these polls are, but I think ignoring them completely is silly.

edit: can we also stop placing all of the blame of Hillary’s loss on the electorate?? The year is 2024. Hillary ran a terrible campaign in what should have been a pretty straightforward victory. These are grown adults with agency and it’s nuts to talk like they’re not

 

[faint]

Overturning Roe was 100% preventable. Had people voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 instead of protest voting Stein and Johnson, the Supreme Court would look drastically different than it does today. The felon was in power, thus nominated three young, right-wing justices. Poof! Gone is Roe vs. Wade.

They did vote for her. She won the popular vote. Interesting that you agreed with Media that "spoiler/protest votes" don't work in the US yet cite them as a reason she lost? Do whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.

Once again, it is the candidates job to convince people to vote for them. This is not a hard concept to understand.

 

[RaikouLover]

edit: can we also stop placing all of the blame of Hillary’s loss on the electorate?? The year is 2024. Hillary ran a terrible campaign in what should have been a pretty straightforward victory. These are grown adults with agency and it’s nuts to talk like they’re not

The margin of victory in 2016 in the consequential Rust belt states was less than the amount of Jill Stein’s votes share in those states. And Jill Stein has done nothing to advance the Green Party except for playing footsy with Russia and trying once every four years to get on the ballot in swing states.

The thing with nearly all of the polls is they show basically every democrat running for senator/house/whatever outpolling Biden by 5+ points. There are a lot of bad polls out there (it’s safe to disregard the concept of trump winning Minnesota), but even more reliable polls are not demonstrating anything that suggests this will be a comfortable win for Biden. I agree that democrats holistically are overperforming, particularly since dobbs. Time will tell how accurate these polls are, but I think ignoring them completely is silly.

Believing the polls requires belief in a lot of contradictory behavior. They have Biden running 10-15 points behind his own Senators. When in recent history have we seen widespread ticket splitting to that degree? Do we have any evidence of the existence of Gallego-Trump, Casey-Trump, Rosen-Trump, or Baldwin-Trump voters?

 

[Medeia]

Okay, I believe you're saying these in good faith so I'm going to attempt to tackle the fallacies I believe are in your argument.



Okay, so stating something without being able to provide proof of how this person is not a real "leftist" and is instead a grifter is the exact thing the latter half of your post is criticizing me off. There is no definition of leftist that is one size fits all. As I stated, I've been following her for years, back to Bernie's 2016 campaign, and I have never encountered anything that contradicts her previously stated beliefs and positions. I'm not moving a goal post. I am asking you where the goal post is and to explain to me why she's a grifter.



You fundamentally misunderstand leftists saying Democrats are all bad. We don't do this because we want to live in a fantasy land. We do this because we want to see the Democratic party become better. If you want us to vote for you, work for our vote. Once again, if you're going to accuse her of flirting with the far-right, please provide examples.



Me not voting for Biden is not going to have any effect on the outcome of the presidential race. I live in one of the bluest states in the country. I've also spoken in this very thread about how many younger people are gravitating towards Trump and got mocked for it because that doesn't fit the narrative that liberal media is telling people. But at the same time, perhaps they're gravitating towards Trump because the message the democratic party chooses to focus on is not one that resonates with them. Once again, we are asking the democratic party to do better. Biden won 2020 because young people turned out in droves due to promises like student loan forgiveness. That is how get votes; not by people telling others they're bad because not voting for someone leads to more issues for LGTBQ people and other minorities. If anything, that causes them to become disenfranchised.



Respectfully, this is the dumbest thing I've read in this entire thread. You have sitting officials like Sinema and Fetterman showing their true colors and yet you want to focus on conspiracy theories surrounding a woman that has little to no power in any form of public policy.

Seriously i'm more and more convinced after 3 years of experience in such online and offline circles (yes, i was definitely radicalized in some ways during Corona-Pandemic and in kind of a search away from "mainstream politics" with the result that i don't feel truly home anywhere ideologically and just despise anything far-right the most which will hopefully never change in my life) that online far-Leftists (including certain users in this forum without calling names) are completely blinded by emotions and are outright non-constructive dumbasses and this thread really makes this feeling grow stronger. The focus in this thread is on Brianna Gray because of her recent actions that caused her getting fired from The Hill, joining fucking MAGA Candace Owens and Don Lemon right afterwards, why would you expect the focus rn be on fucking Kyrsten Sinema who left the Democrats on her own by now alongside Manchin (who was always known as a right-wing oil tycoon lobbyist representing a very conservative state) and got rightfully dunked on for years.

I would also be really silent about "dumbest thing in this thread" if i were you considering all the shit in the previous thread that continues on here that rivals the nonsense from the opposite political spectrum minus their bigotry (including my emotionally blinded post in the past about abolishing entire republican party while there's no other political party/power even close to rivaling the DNC).

No proof or evidences? I already linked why Brianna Joy Gray is a notoric contrarian who constantly flirts with the far-right, but if you really wanna see further proof, i'll link some here before i stop with this post and set this thread and some people here on ignore for a good while:

https://x.com/TheEmoDragon/status/1651696834790686725?s=20
https://x.com/briebriejoy/status/14...^1465323286519242759|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=

https://x.com/KnowNothingTV/status/...^1527177395026944000|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=



Does this sound like a person with sound reasoning and coherence? She may not technically be a grifter and actually believes her constant nonsense, but that doesn't make it any better. And oh yeah thx, i'm glad as hell this Candace Owens of "the left" (with way less subscribers and overall views but overlapping viewer audiences) is not in the least relevant to actual politics after she got fired from Bernie Sanders campaign as press secretary in 2020 and one of the people that were part of Bernies campaign rightfully called her out as a detriment to the left and a right-wing plant even if it was a last straw and a grievance to how this Bernie and the Squad movement fell from grace so hard within 8 years. Same as i hope that some of you won't get anywhere near governmental/parliamental political power or otherwise political influence, theres already enough dumbassery voted into parliaments and governments from the opposite political spectrum all over Europe.


Inb4 for the same actors haha reacting again whom i don't take seriously anyway.

 

[Luck O' the Irish]

The margin of victory in 2016 in the consequential Rust belt states was less than the amount of Jill Stein’s votes share in those states. And Jill Stein has done nothing to advance the Green Party except for playing footsy with Russia and trying once every four years to get on the ballot in swing states.




Believing the polls requires belief in a lot of contradictory behavior. They have Biden running 10-15 points behind his own Senators. When in recent history have we seen widespread ticket splitting to that degree? Do we have any evidence of the existence of Gallego-Trump, Casey-Trump, Rosen-Trump, or Baldwin-Trump voters?

So for the first point: In order to conclude the protest votes cost Hillary the election, we'd have to actually look at each individual voter (which we can't do, ofc). is each stein voter a "i normally vote democrat but hate hillary so im voting stein out of spite" voter? how do we know these individual voters dont just like stein? Simply noting the margin is not sufficient evidence to assert that protest voters cost democrats the 2016 presidential election.

For the latter point-- I think we will probably see those margins shrink as the election gets closer, unless anything significant enough happens. There's probably some amount of ticket splitting going on but more likely the gap comes from "i will vote for the senator but not biden", "i will vote for the senator but bidens been pissing me off and hopefully by saying i'll not vote biden the biden admin will change course on certain decisions, etc". i don't think these polls are necessarily conveying the exact points by which biden is trailing others on the ticket with reliable accuracy, but probably are demonstrating that there is a significant amount of discontent the general public/potential democratic voters has/have with biden, and biden specifically, that doesn't exist with other democratic candidates. how much will that matter? frankly, i have no idea. it nevertheless does not feel logical to me to be feeling this confident about a biden reelection when biden's unfavorables are as high as they are now.

 

[boo836]

Can you post some of her takes that you disagree with with a short explanation saying why? I've followed her for a few years now and she's been very consistent in her views.

Also, Glenn Greenwald and Dave Rubin were never "poster childs for leftism." GG has always described himself as a free speech advocate in the same realm as someone like Noam Chomsky. This doesn't mean that everything they say is something you need to agree with. Dave Rubin, on the other hand, was alwags at most a centrist. I genuinely have no idea what made you think he was ever a leftist. Perhaps him being gay gave people the benefit of the doubt but he was never hiding his intentions and is largely why he's faded into irrelevance.

Hate to break it to you but the Democrats are in fact bad. I don't understand how you anyone can think there is an even split of "good" and "bad" that happens to be 50/50 all of the time. When you have to handwave an anti-war position as the only reason why someone is relevant, you've admitted you're fine with the status quo.

It's incredible that the amount of cope Americans need daily leads them into pretending guys like Greenwald or Rubin weren't posterchildren for progressive politics. Rubin was the flagship personality of TYT. If you were 15 this take would be a lot more forgivable, but you're clearly just in denial over issues the Yankee "Left" has refused to deal with for the past several years.

And no, if your idea of leftism is posturing about "democrats bad" then no, you're not a leftist, you're literally the milquetoast centrist liberal you pretend to hate. If your idea of being as bad as the literal genocidal fascists is the big tent progressive party, it's because you're either deeply in denial or lack perspective entirely.

I also fucking hate this notion that electorates aren't to blame for not backing shit campaigns against the fascists. Not only do they fucking deserve blame, they deserve to be remembered as being the enablers they are. Anyone who didn't vote Democrat in 2016 should be fucking disenfranchised.

 

[lilyhollow]

I feel like something should be done to put a stop to this constant condescending rudeness. There's no actual content to these posts of yours, similar to many posts you've made here. If you really were more in touch with reality than faint, you would be able to actually demonstrate that instead of relying on belittling insinuations and bragging about your personal life.

Or possibly you would have called out MrHands's earlier post where she implies that Israel 'protects civilian life' (not long after she repeatedly clicked 'like' on some of the most racist posts in this thread, including one that was so racist that it was deleted). I think calling that out forcefully is something a principled leftist would do, right? In reality, I see that it was only faint who called that out, not you or any of the other 'true progressives' in this thread. How do you explain this?

No doubt if someone mentioned, say, Jill Stein (normal human being who isn't committing genocide), or gave an update on her presidential campaign, you would jump in and replyguy instantaneously with a rant about her being something something Russian plant something something. If anyone expresses the opinion that maybe it's not the best idea to vote for a racist who is currently committing genocide, there you are, ready to call them a 12-year-old. But a prominent member both likes and posts straight up genocide apologia and it's crickets. Isn't that just something?

 

[MrHands]

Or possibly you would have called out MrHands's earlier post where he

I'm a she. Not that I blame you for thinking otherwise since I'm named after an early 2000s shock video where a dude gets railed to death by a horse, but in the future keep that in mind. The she part, not the horse.

implies that Israel 'protects civilian life'

Israel obviously doesn't give two shits about Palestinian lives, but they clearly have taken steps to avoid at least some unnecessary deaths. If the goal of Israel was to kill as many Palestinians as possible, well you'd see a lot more casualties than there currently are. They could cut off water, end all external aid, not warn civilians prior to military actions, stop using precision munitions, etc. Not because the Israelis care, but probably to limit negative reactions from other nations.

(not long after he repeatedly clicked 'like' on some of the most racist posts in this thread, including one that was so racist that it was deleted).

what

Also don't call people out on condescending rudeness then, in the same post, make some low effort targeted substance-less shitpost calling me a racist.

 

[faint]

Israel obviously doesn't give two shits about Palestinian lives, but they clearly have taken steps to avoid at least some unnecessary deaths. If the goal of Israel was to kill as many Palestinians as possible, well you'd see a lot more casualties than there currently are. They could cut off water, end all external aid, not warn civilians prior to military actions, stop using precision munitions, etc. Not because the Israelis care, but probably to limit negative reactions from other nations.

They could cut off water - they did this
End all external aid - they're doing this
Not warn civilians prior to military actions - they're doing this
Stop using precision weapons - i don't think this one matters given the amount of bombing + refugee centers they're hitting

A week ago the IDF disguised themselves as humanitarian aid workers during their rescue of 4 hostages, killing 274 Palestinian civilians and likely 3 of their own hostages in the process. This is a war crime, and yet, no western nation has done anything about it. Instead, they continue to say the IDF should be "more careful" while the IDF continues testing the waters to see what they can get away with, all the while having the ability to investigate themselves for anything that receives too much backlash. Where do you draw the line?

 

[boo836]

I feel like something should be done to put a stop to this constant condescending rudeness. There's no actual content to these posts of yours, similar to many posts you've made here. If you really were more in touch with reality than faint, you would be able to actually demonstrate that instead of relying on belittling insinuations and bragging about your personal life.

Or possibly you would have called out MrHands's earlier post where he implies that Israel 'protects civilian life' (not long after he repeatedly clicked 'like' on some of the most racist posts in this thread, including one that was so racist that it was deleted). I think calling that out forcefully is something a principled leftist would do, right? In reality, I see that it was only faint who called that out, not you or any of the other 'true progressives' in this thread. How do you explain this?

No doubt if someone mentioned, say, Jill Stein (normal human being who isn't committing genocide), or gave an update on her presidential campaign, you would jump in and replyguy instantaneously with a rant about her being something something Russian plant something something. If anyone expresses the opinion that maybe it's not the best idea to vote for a racist who is currently committing genocide, there you are, ready to call them a 12-year-old. But a prominent member both likes and posts straight up genocide apologia and it's crickets. Isn't that just something?

If you're going to act entirely out of touch with reality and throw out endorsements of Jill "work with fucking Assad" Stein, don't expect me to take you seriously. I do not feel like suffering fools during major crises. I don't even know what to fucking say to the idea that Jill Stein doesn't endorse genocide, that's just wildly untrue and the very fact you think that speaks to how flabberghastingly ignorant you are about movement politics OR what genocide actually is (which was clear when you started accusing Joe fucking Biden of it). The Greens have been notorious for backing all sorts of genocidal dictators just in the past 10 years alone. Hell, in 2014 Cynthia McKinney was attending meetings signing petitions for the literal lawyer for war criminals ranging from Charles Taylor to fucking Milosevic, and not just any lawyer either, the guy who literally fucking ran COINTELPRO during the Johnson administration. If attending dinner with the insurrectionist general whose only allies are neo-Nazis and literal cults isn't enough for you, if endoring genocidaires the world over isn't fucking enough, I'm not entirely sure if there's any way of communicating just how wrong you are through anything besides condescension. And you know what? I was being condescending when I was chewing out Chou for watching Rising. You're just as deserving of it now as Chou was then, and if you keep grandstanding about an issue as serious as genocide, it's not going to stop any time soon.

And that's being generous, because the alternative here is that you know this and just simply don't care. I could just assume you're an evil person instead of thinking you're entirely uninformed and have no clue what you're talking about, but I doubt this thread can take that.

And it is entirely ridiculous to whine about how I'm not devoting my time to responding to every stupid fucking post in this thread. If your best response is to complain about whose posts I gave enough of a shit to read, it's because you don't have an actual refutation of what I'm saying in the first place. It's so intellectually cowardly and insubstantive and yet you somehow have the gall to say I'm the one not posting real content. And yeah, I'm going to brag that I'm the only person in this thread that actually does something to actively fight racist extremists. Want me to stop? Show me how unimpressive it is by doing it yourself. And I don't mean your local cousinfucking ingrate, go after organised hate. If you actually did though, you would know how Jill Stein and other posterchildren of "the left" in your country constantly try to make common cause with organised hate.

 

[lilyhollow]

what

Here is you being the only one to "like" a post that is essentially mourning coeur's post that was deleted for 'teetering on the edge of hate speech' (according to the very lenient mod). You're free to lie and pretend that you didn't click 'like' on the original post (the one that was actually deleted), but I personally saw that you most certainly did. I also see that you are the only one who clicked 'like' on a post by the same user comparing Gazans to WW2 Germans, and anyone can find that one if they want.

Also don't call people out on condescending rudeness then, in the same post, make some low effort targeted substance-less shitpost calling me a racist.

I did not call you a racist, I pointed out some of your actions and let people come to the conclusion themselves.

Ultimately the post has little to do with you. It's about members who criticize others for being 'fake leftists' or imply that we support fascists or whatever, while letting people get away with stuff like this, seemingly based on whether they support biden or not. So it's the 'fake poser liberals' who are disgusted by genocide apologia (of which your posts are sadly an example), and the 'real principled antifascists' who let it slide and even click 'like' on your posts. It's a complete reversal of reality.

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I haven't read boo's post yet and I have to step out for a couple hours, but in the meantime I do see that he (possibly most active user in this thread) said something like 'oh i don't have time to read every stupid post.' Okay so read it now then, boo. Let's see what you think about the post. Will you be as outraged or as acid-tongued with her as you are with 'fake leftists' like me?

 

[boo836]

I haven't read boo's post yet and I have to step out for a couple hours, but in the meantime I do see that he (possibly most active user in this thread) said something like 'oh i don't have time to read every stupid post.' Okay so read it now then, boo. Let's see what you think about the post. Will you be as outraged or as acid-tongued with her as you are with 'fake leftists' like me?

"but what about all the OTHER racist Americans" is not, has not been, and never will be an argument for anything except self-pity over criticism others have of you. Hands isn't the one roleplaying online as being on my side. If your entire complaint is that I'm not going out of my way to be mean to people for liking posts, then you don't have anything to actually say here.

Come back to me when the ICC issues genocide warrants against Joe Biden. Until then, you should really stop pretending you know anything about genocide to the one person in the thread that's actually studied genocides (and even researches on western collaborators!)

 

[boo836]

Ah nice I got ICBB'd for "repeated incivility" by the same mod liking posts demanding I be meaner to other users. Very cool and reasonable discussion!

 

[GatoDelFuego]

Soon we won't even need to post in this thread any more, we will use what I call "proxy posts" where we just like posts in this thread to post for us. Once we start getting infracted for likes, we can start posting in other threads to post here. The final stage is we don't post at all and instead just email haha reacts to other users directly

 

[Divine Retribution]

Or possibly you would have called out MrHands's earlier post where she implies that Israel 'protects civilian life' (not long after she repeatedly clicked 'like' on some of the most racist posts in this thread, including one that was so racist that it was deleted).

The charitable interpretation is that she's a chronic contrarian who pity likes posts from users she thinks are getting dogpiled, regardless of whether or not they are or whether there's a good reason for it. I don't think interrogating which posts people are liking is going to lead to any kind of productive discussion, though.