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Ok I'll just sign here and initial there. Hey maybe we should get haunter in here he's an admin, correct?
But some hero, are you serious? "Rape is funny"? What the hell is going on inside your head? Sure, a good rape joke is funny, but any good joke is funny. What you need to realize is that rape as a whole is serious, and not comical. None of us are saying that you have to be serious about every aspect of rape at all times. It's fine to laugh at a good rape joke, but to consider the entirety of the concept of rape as a joke is just ignorant.
A+++++ post, needs more attention.
It is in no way less traumatic to be forced into sex, regardless of the circumstances.
Yes, but I don't feel it should be considered the 'norm'.
Not discounting Jellicent at all because I love the guy, but we must remember this story is being told from his perspective. None of us witnessed this event, so we don't know exactly what transpired. For the record, I believe that he is telling the truth, but an experience as traumatic as that one makes it difficult to describe the event in an unemotional, objective manner.
That being said, I think the biggest issue we face is that the definition of rape has become so broad, and the line so blurred, that we can reasonably come up with such convicting statistics as "1 in 4 women have been raped". I know all of our opinions differ on what we consider to be 'rape', but I have an EXTREMELY hard time believing that 1 in 4 of the women I know have been raped.
I think the mistake we're making is that we're attributing the word 'rape' to so many incidents that we're taking emphasis off the more violent and intentional rape. To me, if another person physically forced you to perform a sexual act with them (either by brute force or by threatening/using a weapon), or if they physically drugged you against your will and did sexual things with you that you were unable to stop, that's rape. If you got piss drunk at a party and some other person took advantage of your impaired judgment to convince you to have sex with them, that's not rape.
All too often we treat each of these situations as the same, which detracts from the attention that SHOULD be paid to the real rape cases. When Person A takes advantage of Person B at a party because Person B is drunk off their ass and can't make decisions rationally, is Person A a douchebag? Yes. Is Person A a rapist? No. Person B has a choice to indulge in alcohol or not, and when they do they are taking responsibility for what they are doing. I don't think there is a single person out there who doesn't know that alcohol impairs judgment, so they can't claim ignorance for that.
There are other examples of situations that have been labeled as "rape" by our society that I would disagree with. Let's say Myzozoa and Oglemi are out on a date. They're in the car, gazing at the starry night sky, when Myzozoa starts to rub Oglemi's leg. Oglemi is uncomfortable with this and asks Myzozoa to stop, but Myzozoa says "but baby, I know you want it!" and starts getting friskier. Now, some would argue that rape has already taken place at this point, but I would disagree. I would say that what happens after this point will determine whether it's rape or not. If Oglemi were to get upset and the two were to have an argument, resulting in Oglemi walking away or Myzozoa grumpily taking Oglemi home in silence, then rape did not happen. If Myzozoa continues to forcefully touch and molest Oglemi and he does not try to resist him, then rape did not occur. If Oglemi resists and Myzozoa overpowers and continues to molest Oglemi, only then does it become rape. To me, the key word here is overpowers, meaning the line into rape is only crossed when one person overpowers another despite their resistance.
Another example is when a person takes advantage of another emotionally, convincing them to consent to sex. Perhaps Person A just had a nasty breakup and are emotionally vulnerable, and Person B capitalizes and talks Person A into having sex with them. Many in our society would call this rape, but I once again disagree. Taking advantage of another's emotional weakness is a dick move to be sure, but it is not rape. Emotional weakness of Person A is not the fault of Person B, nor is it even guaranteed that Person B knows the situation of Person A. Perhaps Person B just decided they were going to hit on Person A, and didn't know they were vulnerable. All too often people attribute the word 'rape' to a situation that is more just 'douchebaggery', which is morally reprehensible but in no way illegal.
The real crime is that true rape victims have been completely drowned out by the multitude of angry exes, gold diggers and retarded alcoholic college students who care more about the attention than real justice for the alleged "crime". More often than not, true rape victims don't even come forward out of embarrassment or fear, which is a real tragedy.
Rape is a horrible and disgusting thing, but I don't think real rape is nearly as common as we're led to believe.
That being said, Tosh really should have his show canceled just because he's not funny, not because he made a rape joke. He's almost as un-funny as Chelsea Handler...
lol your post is so far offbase that it's kind of ridiculous
I decided to actually look into the woman who wrote the blog that you linked to. If you click on "Home" she states that her blog has moved, and if you click on the corresponding link it brings you to her new homepage where she includes a Rape FAQ. In my resulting research on the author is when I found out the blog is simply that, a blog.
What I find interesting about her Rape FAQ is that not only does she not link to any statistics, but she also fails to link to any rape helplines or victim resources, or even any educational programs like PAVE. PAVE by the way is a nation-wide college campus rape victim and educational resource.
Also, of course The New York Times isn't peer reviewed lol. It's a journalistic production with the sole intent on making money. You can't trust anything in the newspaper more than you can anything on the Internet. Is most of what goes through in the newspaper actually true? Probably, just the same as it probably is on the Internet.
Also your fuck off to me is kind of unnecessary and makes you look like a bad poster. I was simply showing that your link can't be taken as true hard facts, but instead as, you pointed out, a narrative on a subject of personal experience. Am I saying what she writes about didn't happen or can't help some people? No, but the possibility that she is a fake or fraud is there.
The thing is, in a court of law, I could press charges for sexual assault at the moment that I say "no" but Myzozoa continues to touch me. Your correct in saying that rape occurs at the point of forced or coerced sex. However, the point at where sexual assault becomes rape is kind of a blurred line, and I could probably press charges for rape for something that's classified as sexual assault. PAVE defines rape as "Any penetration (vaginal, anal, oral) with anything (penis, fingers, objects) done without consent." Rape in a court of law is usually left to the definition of the victim. If you feel you've been raped, then you can usually press charges for rape.
However, expecting the victim to have to "fight back" in order for the assault to classify as rape is also a bit misguided. Fear does crazy things to people, one of which is totally immobilizing the person in question. In a court of law, if consent was not clearly given, then sexual assault or rape occurred. If in your example I say no to Myzozoa but he continues and I don't fight back, that's still considered rape or sexual assault, depending on how far he goes. If I fear that he might get violent if I fight back, I might take the less harm to myself approach and just let him do his thing and then let me go. If I know that he'll be able to overpower me and maybe even get to the point of beating or stabbing me, "just being raped" seems like a good alternative to being both beaten and raped. Could I have been better off by trying to fight back? Probably. But saying that I should have fought back instead of just lying there is again blaming the victim.
Going on to Jellicent's post, what he described is actually the more common form of rape or sexual assault. According to PAVE, "60% – 80% of all sexual assaults are committed by someone the victim knows (i.e. a relative, friend, neighbor, or acquaintance)." (PAVE gets all of their statistics from nation-wide surveys conducted by national institutions, such as the National Institute of Justice and the Centers for Disease Control; Research in Brief, Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey.) What Jellicent described isn't even that uncommon, and is something Michael Kimmel goes over in his book Guyland (which again, if anyone is really interested in learning more about this subject should check out). Basically what Jellicent's friend experienced was the cultures of silence and protection. The guy that he knew was "simply being a guy" and Jellicent was told off for being a party pooper and cockblocker. Jellicent's friend is lucky he was there for her, or what happened to her could have been much worse.
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Also how dare you Chelsea Handler is a visionary and a saint! lol (I'm actually a really big fan, she has been fighting for and promotes gay rights all the time, and she's hilarious on top of it) :3
Haha I was just expressing my opinion because I personally don't like her humor. It's great that she advocates for a good cause, and I meant no offense to you or your particular sense of humor.
To address the rest of your post, I do understand your point in the court references. What I attempted to do in my post was un-blur a very blurry line, and I probably did so in a way that was harsher than necessary. I do realize that fear is a powerful motivator in certain situations, and I would now include the example you stated as within the rape spectrum. I guess that situation in general is always going to be a blurry line, no matter how hard we try to make it black and white. Really, my contempt is more toward the general overuse of the term "rape" to the point where it is used as a weapon and literally ruins the lives of innocent people. The second a person accuses another of rape and it is publicized, the person in question is automatically branded a "rapist" by the ignorant public. Regardless of how the investigation turns out, that person's reputation is ruined and they will always carry around some sort of label, true or not. This misuse of the system causes several problems: 1) it ruins the reputations of innocent people. 2) it shows us that the system can be abused and opens the door for more people to take advantage of it. 3) it makes people more cynical and prone to "cry wolf" attitudes that make it even more difficult for true rape victims to find justice.
Anyway, I appreciate your well-written and mature response to my post. So, what movie did you and Myzozoa go see on your date? :avatar:
Here in Britain, we have a comedian called Franky Boyle, he makes outright racist jokes, rape jokes and a few holocaust jokes (I think), he seems very similar to this Tosh man, you either love him or hate him. The point in case being, while it is wholly unacceptable to make fun of rape, censoring him and all of his shows seems like a step to far, that petiton at the top of the page seems to show that most Americans (not the rape victims) are to sensitive to edgy humor. That is not an anti american statement just an observation.
A warning or something seems like enough to deter him from doing this again, cancelling his show is pretty much censorship.
A warning or something seems like enough to deter him from doing this again, cancelling his show is pretty much censorship.
it's more of a minority speaking the loudest.
I've only read up to the second page, but I'm just going to assume that all I missed was a bunch of repeat ideas and responses. The first (minor) point that bugs me is people saying tosh isn't funny, he was out of line, etc. To keep this short, jokes are subjective, and laughing at offensive jokes doesn't make you a dick. Second, girls who get shitfaced and dress provocatively while out late who end up getting raped aren't in the wrong? Saying that it's 100% the rapist'S fault is definitely unfair, and I believe that it's this kind of thinking that causes so many damn problems in the world. If I'm riding my motorcycle and some cager suddenly hits his breaks because he dropped his phone and I rear-end him, who's at fault? The guy in the car? To an extent. Had I been paying better attention and maintained a safer distance away from the car, I might have avoided the accident. (Most) riders share the mindset of '99% of crashes are preventable', and because of this mindset we are forced to drive more cautiously so we can catch the mistakes of unsuspecting drivers before we become skidmarks. But wait, if only people were just more wary about us motorcyclists, maybe we wouldn't have to be so cautious! We shouldn't need to be so aware!
If I had that mindset while riding, I'd probably be dead right now. If I were a girl and I believed that I should be able to get drunk and dress rather provocative at a club/party/whatever with no consequences and I happen to get raped, is zero blame really on me? If I were a girl, I'd be doing everything in my power to not be so much of an easy target. If I wanted to dress sexily and get drunk, then id bring a damn buddy to watch over me. If not, then I'd carry some mace and skip the getting drunk part. You see? There's so many ways to prevent rape with just common sense, it's unreal.
Before I get chewed out and say I'm justifying rapists, I'm not. I just want to point out that although you have a right to do whatever the fuck you want I this country, don't go doing it thinking you're immune to the consequences. Just because ou shouldn't be worried about getting raped or murdered while walking late at night doesn't mean it isn't a real possibility, and anyone Who dismisses such consequences deserves what's coming to them.
Ps- there are exceptions to everything, so don't try to counter with ridiculous shit. Just like some accidents are impossible to avoid while riding, some scenarios are impossible to avoid when regarding rape.
But it still doesn't mean you shouldn't try your absolute best to avoid these situations whenever possible. COMMON SENSE, SMOGON
If I had that mindset while riding, I'd probably be dead right now. If I were a girl and I believed that I should be able to get drunk and dress rather provocative at a club/party/whatever with no consequences and I happen to get raped, is zero blame really on me? If I were a girl, I'd be doing everything in my power to not be so much of an easy target. If I wanted to dress sexily and get drunk, then id bring a damn buddy to watch over me. If not, then I'd carry some mace and skip the getting drunk part. You see? There's so many ways to prevent rape with just common sense, it's unreal.
Before I get chewed out and say I'm justifying rapists, I'm not. I just want to point out that although you have a right to do whatever the fuck you want I this country, don't go doing it thinking you're immune to the consequences. Just because ou shouldn't be worried about getting raped or murdered while walking late at night doesn't mean it isn't a real possibility, and anyone Who dismisses such consequences deserves what's coming to them.
Ps- there are exceptions to everything, so don't try to counter with ridiculous shit. Just like some accidents are impossible to avoid while riding, some scenarios are impossible to avoid when regarding rape.
But it still doesn't mean you shouldn't try your absolute best to avoid these situations whenever possible. COMMON SENSE, SMOGON
You're saying it's not 100% a rapists fault but want other people to use common sense.
Do you also think it's not 100% a murderer's fault because some people deserve to be killed? Think stores shouldn't keep products on shelves if they don't want to be stolen from, maybe?
Rapists are committing a (particularly heinous) crime out of their own free will. No one is making them do anything. I don't know how you can even try to make the argument it's anyone's fault but the person committing the crime in good faith. You're making feeble excuses for criminals.
EDIT: It's probably worth adding you're also (indirectly) making the assumption that rapes predominantly happen to girls who are drinking and/or dressing "provocatively." This is, of course, incorrect.
Do you also think it's not 100% a murderer's fault because some people deserve to be killed? Think stores shouldn't keep products on shelves if they don't want to be stolen from, maybe?
Rapists are committing a (particularly heinous) crime out of their own free will. No one is making them do anything. I don't know how you can even try to make the argument it's anyone's fault but the person committing the crime in good faith. You're making feeble excuses for criminals.
EDIT: It's probably worth adding you're also (indirectly) making the assumption that rapes predominantly happen to girls who are drinking and/or dressing "provocatively." This is, of course, incorrect.
I'm suppose I didn't make myself clear. I apologize, I'm typing this up on my phone. The point I tried to get across is that there are a number of ways to prevent such things from happening to you as an individual. If everyone takes the same precautions, I believe that rape would drop drastically. I guess I just worded my post wrong if I didn't make this clear.
What I tried to show by saying it isn't the rapist's fault 100% is that you can't just scapegoat the damn guy if you didn't take any sort of precaution beforehand. Like I said, this is all In general. It can't be helped if some dude jumps out of an alley In broad daylight with a chloroform-soaked rag and grabs you, throws your unconscious body into the back of his unlicensed van and dips. These stories are the extreme side of the spectrum; the rarer occurrences. I'm talking about the ones that happen most often.
Getting drunk at a friend's party is honestly where most rapes occur, what with the friendly environment, drinks, and horny guys. I think people are forgetting that Hollywood/TV rape is not what commonly occurs. Most of the time two people are drunk, guy says let's bang, girl says umm idk, but both are too drunk to think straight, and bam. If you brought a friend to babysit you, that shit wouldn't have happened.
Having my sister brutally beat by her boyfriend and my current girlfriend of 3 years raped by a dude at a party, it makes me upset to hear people say I'm making excuses for criminals. I'm just trying to get people to understand that they should avoid putting themselves in shady scenarios in the first place instead of doing as you please
What I tried to show by saying it isn't the rapist's fault 100% is that you can't just scapegoat the damn guy if you didn't take any sort of precaution beforehand. Like I said, this is all In general. It can't be helped if some dude jumps out of an alley In broad daylight with a chloroform-soaked rag and grabs you, throws your unconscious body into the back of his unlicensed van and dips. These stories are the extreme side of the spectrum; the rarer occurrences. I'm talking about the ones that happen most often.
Getting drunk at a friend's party is honestly where most rapes occur, what with the friendly environment, drinks, and horny guys. I think people are forgetting that Hollywood/TV rape is not what commonly occurs. Most of the time two people are drunk, guy says let's bang, girl says umm idk, but both are too drunk to think straight, and bam. If you brought a friend to babysit you, that shit wouldn't have happened.
Having my sister brutally beat by her boyfriend and my current girlfriend of 3 years raped by a dude at a party, it makes me upset to hear people say I'm making excuses for criminals. I'm just trying to get people to understand that they should avoid putting themselves in shady scenarios in the first place instead of doing as you please
You're also posting on a forum that's almost exclusively male, where basically all of the people replying who aren't particularly bothered by this sort of thing don't have much respect for women and are more likely to be the your sister's boyfriend or the other dude in that story than you.
Which is why I dont usually post in this forum and would much rather lurk, the stupidity that flows through some of the threads here is astonishing. But I digress. I just wanted to point out that you shouldn't do things because you have a right to do so (dress slutty and walk out of a club at 2 pm) and expect no harm will come. Advocating free will is one thing, advocating sheer stupidity is another. I just figured that this was a good thread to point it out in since there are a couple of users posting in here who clearly think this way, and I'd like to think that I just saved someone's life by preventing something stupid from happening
just dropping my avatar in this thread
I'm not sure how this conversation turned into a debate about how late people should be getting money out of an ATM or what type of clothing a girl should be wearing. Since we've already veered off into this conversation I just want to say that the blame 100% falls on the person committing the crime and there is no logical argument against this. Are crimes more likely to be committed because the victim is in a more vulnerable position? Definitely, but that doesn't mean the victim should bear any of the blame. Crime will happen regardless of the state of vulnerability a victim might be in. Ugly fat males wearing sweatpants and hoodies have been raped before. I guess they should have been wearing asshole protectors.
The main point of this thread was summed up the simple fact that people want to make money out of this "controversy." Nobody is denying that offensive humor is tasteless, but obviously a lot of people find it funny. That specific joke isn't really funny to me, but I've definitely laughed at other tasteless jokes in my time. If some random nobody was doing stand-up at a local bar and this situation happened, then there would be no controversy at all. I wouldn't be surprised if we see this woman attempt to file a civil suit against Tosh sometime in the near future and he will probably just give her $50,000 to stfu and move on with her useless life.
I'm not sure how this conversation turned into a debate about how late people should be getting money out of an ATM or what type of clothing a girl should be wearing. Since we've already veered off into this conversation I just want to say that the blame 100% falls on the person committing the crime and there is no logical argument against this. Are crimes more likely to be committed because the victim is in a more vulnerable position? Definitely, but that doesn't mean the victim should bear any of the blame. Crime will happen regardless of the state of vulnerability a victim might be in. Ugly fat males wearing sweatpants and hoodies have been raped before. I guess they should have been wearing asshole protectors.
The main point of this thread was summed up the simple fact that people want to make money out of this "controversy." Nobody is denying that offensive humor is tasteless, but obviously a lot of people find it funny. That specific joke isn't really funny to me, but I've definitely laughed at other tasteless jokes in my time. If some random nobody was doing stand-up at a local bar and this situation happened, then there would be no controversy at all. I wouldn't be surprised if we see this woman attempt to file a civil suit against Tosh sometime in the near future and he will probably just give her $50,000 to stfu and move on with her useless life.
Yeah..posts like yours are exactly why people call other people fucking idiots.
personally, i fall in line with most of the posts expressing that although tosh's joke was crass and offending, the woman in question shouldn't have interrupted -- but that rape in and of itself is a serious and under-reported, underestimated, underconsidered offense. i wonder, though, is it considered not just a 'joke' but a declaration of misogynistic power? i'm obviously not qualified to discuss rape culture or pretend like my opinion on it means anything, but a lot of people have said that tosh didn't just bring up the subject but used it in an angry way that made the woman feel physically threatened. kind of like the michael richards comparison -- he was angry. i'll quote this article by elissa bassist, the position of which i don't entirely agree with (not partly because it lambasted tosh for his "poorly-capitalized retort" (seriously?) on twitter, but i'll put it here anyway to bring up this point (from the daily beast)
i'm really not sure it's a "celebration" of violent crime -- that seems hyperbolic to me. tosh himself said that he was merely commenting on how you can laugh at awful things in this world -- that doesn't mean you condone or appreciate them. however, to someone who is actually at risk for rape (and not a white, american, male teenager safely behind the warm glow of his computer screen) it could be seen as such. thoughts..?
i'm really not sure it's a "celebration" of violent crime -- that seems hyperbolic to me. tosh himself said that he was merely commenting on how you can laugh at awful things in this world -- that doesn't mean you condone or appreciate them. however, to someone who is actually at risk for rape (and not a white, american, male teenager safely behind the warm glow of his computer screen) it could be seen as such. thoughts..?
Ok, I think you're trying to discredit the author for trumped up reasons. I don't know anything about the author, you having done some research, now more than I do about her. I know solely what she wrote in that article, and I wasn't linking to her in any other context, so your point is not particularly relevant.
Further, rape helplines are not a particularly desirable resource to someone who has recently been raped, but that is neither here nor there.
So why are you trying to discredit the blog then? Anything could be fake on the internet. You're just casting aspersions with no basis and seemingly no point.
So in summary Oglemi you get a 7/10, you strawmaned me real hard, such that I replied to you twice. Good work.
Actually, you're really quite wrong. I could just be making things up (#Oglemi), but based on my lived experience I do not find any dissonance with the statistics. Even when so called 'ambiguous questions' are subtracted from the results of the Ms. study, they are not altered significantly. Studies have been consistently between 1 in or to 1 in 6. You are like many in this thread, unable to view rape as a real thing that happens extremely frequently in society. And here you go on telling us about why rape (or sexual assault if you prefer) doesn't occur:
I'm not going to really dig into this post, but I only want to point out something that I find to be ironic. Here in this thread there seems to be a debate about what counts as rape. And this is exactly what happens to many rape victims or if you prefer, victims of sexual assault. And yes, nothing should go uncontested, but the level of minimizing and discrediting that goes on in sexual assault cases is unbelievable. Their accusations are contested by figures meant to be trustworthy and protective in the most ridiculous and insensitive ways. Recall Jelli's story of being told he was on drugs at the time, or some shit. And he wasn't even the one being assaulted. One of the reasons that I dislike rape jokes is that usually the joke is that 1. 'Haha it wasn't rape because x' or 2. 'haha rape'. This isn't a joke, this is real life. It sucks.
Side note: Even your lovely story about me and Oglemi invokes stereotypes about rape victims, so lol.
Forced to have sex while at gun/knife point?
Rape.
Someone physically stronger than you force themselves upon you?
Rape.
Forced to have sex with someone because they threatened you or someone you care about with physical harm?
Rape.
Did someone take advantage of your drunken/inebriated state to have sex with you?
Rape.
2 out of 3 rapes are done by someone the victim knows.
The most upsetting statistic? 97% of rapists will not spend a day in jail.
Rape.
Someone physically stronger than you force themselves upon you?
Rape.
Forced to have sex with someone because they threatened you or someone you care about with physical harm?
Rape.
Did someone take advantage of your drunken/inebriated state to have sex with you?
Rape.
2 out of 3 rapes are done by someone the victim knows.
The most upsetting statistic? 97% of rapists will not spend a day in jail.
If nothing else you guys may have a point about the rape culture that self-perpetuates. See guys like the one who raped my sister when she was a child, they then get raped by bigger men in prison. And that's hilarious.
Stop being so self righteous. Tell me that you don't laugh at jokes about any bad thing. Any at all. We make jokes about the things in life we fear because it lets off steam. You can't just say "but rape is more horrible" or "you just have never heard a rape story in your life". Understanding is the reason dark humor is effective. There is an inverse relationship to how bad something is in real life to how funny it can be in comedy.
At the risk of the cliche of being accused of being a rapist, sentiments like this show a poor understanding of the relationship between inebriation and inhibition. Americans have a shit ton of inhibitions when it comes to sex, and many drinkers of both genders do it for the excuse to act without inhibitions in general. It's why I can get my friends to drunk dial. Yet having a mixture of straight and bisexual friends, none of the straight guys have ever given in to the advances of one of my bisexual friends (even though he comes on strong every other party). Being drunk just isn't a magical state where you'd do things you'd never want to when sober. Drinking brings out people's true character. Some people who are meek most of the time always make angry drunks. Some people who are fun when sober just start crying when drunk. And most people enjoy sex. It is SEX for god's sake. People only regret the choices they make the morning after when their inhibitions return (and with a hangover). I've regretted having sex with two women (separate occasions) who took advantage of me. With the second one I have no good excuse for not just turning her down, cause I had regretted the first such situation. But I'd have to feel like a real shithead to accuse either one of rape.
I think my intentions may have been misunderstood slightly. The purpose of my post was to express my opinion on the subject, and invite those who may disagree to share their opinions for my own education. Perhaps my opinions are based on misinformation? Perhaps I have been jaded by one too many sensationalized stories of gold diggers preying on professional athletes? Whatever the underlying cause may be, my opinion is no more than that: my opinion. I never made any claims otherwise. What I was hoping for (and what you did to an extent) was for someone who felt differently than I to share their opinion and experiences, so that we could have a civilized discussion and both end up more enlightened. I'm not so entrenched in my beliefs that I cannot adapt, and I'm always looking to learn.
Also, perhaps I didn't state it prominently enough, but I do not believe in blaming the victims in any way, shape or form when it comes to sexual assault. Several close friends of mine have been molested, taken advantage of, and my cousin was actually raped and got pregnant because of it. I struggle to find words strong enough to express my distaste for a person taking advantage of another, sexually or otherwise. I just feel the word 'rape' has been overused so much that some of the meaning is gone, and we as a society have grown a bit desensitized to it. This is ultimately what leads to the problem you stated, where real victims are minimized, discredited, dehumanized, or what have you, which is a terrible thing. I hope I've been a little clearer in this post, apologies if I wasn't before.
I just find it completely ridiculous how many of you outright labelled her a "feminist" and used it to disregard her opinion
yes, she is taking it too far by trying to sue/get him off the air/whatever it is she's doing, but his response to her "heckling" was completely over the line.
i'm not devoid of a sense of humour, ask anyone who knows me well enough and they'll tell you my sense of humour is actually pretty dark and fucked up, but that just simply wasn't a funny response to me. a good comedian can make any subject funny... Daniel Tosh simply isn't a good comedian in my books, either.
a lot of the earlier (now deleted, thankfully) douchebag posts reminded me of this blog, this post in particular:
pretty sure further on they have some more insight on the Tosh scenario as well, but a lot of those posts are probably from "social justice bloggers" and "feminists" so you can read it with a grain of salt
yes, she is taking it too far by trying to sue/get him off the air/whatever it is she's doing, but his response to her "heckling" was completely over the line.
i'm not devoid of a sense of humour, ask anyone who knows me well enough and they'll tell you my sense of humour is actually pretty dark and fucked up, but that just simply wasn't a funny response to me. a good comedian can make any subject funny... Daniel Tosh simply isn't a good comedian in my books, either.
a lot of the earlier (now deleted, thankfully) douchebag posts reminded me of this blog, this post in particular:
pretty sure further on they have some more insight on the Tosh scenario as well, but a lot of those posts are probably from "social justice bloggers" and "feminists" so you can read it with a grain of salt
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