I remember using a similar Umbreon when I first got into the Metagame. I'm not certain how well I'd work now, but the idea was to wave around Sucker Punch so your opponent knows you have it and switched in a Setup sweeper, then slap them with Toxic and laugh as they wince at their pokemon's newly acquired expiration date.
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Umbreon
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I remember using a similar Umbreon when I first got into the Metagame. I'm not certain how well I'd work now, but the idea was to wave around Sucker Punch so your opponent knows you have it and switched in a Setup sweeper, then slap them with Toxic and laugh as they wince at their pokemon's newly acquired expiration date.
this set gets killed by scizor.
Synchrobell >:( And umbreon doesn't look lame.
No seriously, I'm tempted to use Umbreon again sometimes just cause nothingn pisses me off more than Jirachi and Togekiss throwing around thunderwaves and trying to flinch hax my whole team to death.
Updated OP with animated sprite.
It's a shame Lookpass no longer works- I was looking forwards to passing to one of the new vicious set-up sweepers and crushing the opponent's team. But the ability to Sync Toxic helps with Synchrobell.
Am I the only one who thinks that Umbreon now has a 'Flinch-hax counter' stamp on him? Sure, Togekiss can pummel him with Aura Sphere, but his choice of abilities seem very focused on this- Synchronize inflicts the flincher with paralysis, rendering them almost useless against the rest of your team, and inner focus... well, stops him from flinching.
@timejirachi: Yeah, that's why I no longer use that set.
The one other thing that intruges me about umbreon is his new potential as a special wall- while normally outclassed, he doesn't have the likes of Psycho Shock to worry about, being a Dark-type and all. Add to this a choice between Wish and Moonlight (but you should really only use the former if you're running Ninetales), and you have a pretty good annoyance to special sweepers.
It's a shame Lookpass no longer works- I was looking forwards to passing to one of the new vicious set-up sweepers and crushing the opponent's team. But the ability to Sync Toxic helps with Synchrobell.
Am I the only one who thinks that Umbreon now has a 'Flinch-hax counter' stamp on him? Sure, Togekiss can pummel him with Aura Sphere, but his choice of abilities seem very focused on this- Synchronize inflicts the flincher with paralysis, rendering them almost useless against the rest of your team, and inner focus... well, stops him from flinching.
@timejirachi: Yeah, that's why I no longer use that set.
The one other thing that intruges me about umbreon is his new potential as a special wall- while normally outclassed, he doesn't have the likes of Psycho Shock to worry about, being a Dark-type and all. Add to this a choice between Wish and Moonlight (but you should really only use the former if you're running Ninetales), and you have a pretty good annoyance to special sweepers.
A couple times I have been swept by umbreon. Kind of embarrassing but what tends to happen is he comes in on something that I cant kill it with and then starts spamming curse. Next thing you know hes got 3 curses on him and hes hitting me hard with paybacks. I am sure if I ran an erefuun or something that could stop him from setting up or sweeping would probably be my best solution.
The biggest reason why I cant stop him is the one toon I have to prevent set up cant do damage back to him (ditto). I come in and ditto changes into him, and the only offensive move he has is payback.
The biggest reason why I cant stop him is the one toon I have to prevent set up cant do damage back to him (ditto). I come in and ditto changes into him, and the only offensive move he has is payback.
Mean Look + Curse is a good way to set up too. Mean Look + Tickle can work to defeat physical attackers and trap troublesome Pokemon. Mean Look can still be passed to Shadow Tag Shandera (if it actually comes around) for kills, or allowing allowing Shandera to get boosts from moves Umbreon can pass or set up on a weakened Physical attacker, or both. Just because you can't pass Mean Look anymore doesn't make it useless.
i've been trying a baton pass team on PO and have met some degree of success, i'm using umbreon as a baton pass cleric, passing wishes, substitutes and heal bell and usually does his job pretty well. it have theorical problems (i've havent experienced them yet) against mischivious heart taunt and if the chain is broken the other pieces of the chain are semi autosufficient while this not. but still it gets teh work done.
+Def-atk nature, Max HP and DEF Ev.s, synch abbility
-Baton Pass
-Substitute
-Wish
-Healbell
plus she is called "Arcana" :D
Edit: Meanlook cannot be passed anymore
+Def-atk nature, Max HP and DEF Ev.s, synch abbility
-Baton Pass
-Substitute
-Wish
-Healbell
plus she is called "Arcana" :D
Edit: Meanlook cannot be passed anymore
I came up with this set, its gimmicky but can allow an easy sweep for any set up pokes:
Umbreon (female)@Lefties
252HP,128 DEF and SP. DEF
Mean Look
Charm
Captivate/Taunt
Baton Pass
Simply come in on a Nattorei or something that can't phaze you and isn't likely to be switched, mean look and then reduce the appropriate attacking stat as low as possible. You can then baton pass out to your shanderra, ononokuso, gyarados or whatever and sweep
Umbreon (female)@Lefties
252HP,128 DEF and SP. DEF
Mean Look
Charm
Captivate/Taunt
Baton Pass
Simply come in on a Nattorei or something that can't phaze you and isn't likely to be switched, mean look and then reduce the appropriate attacking stat as low as possible. You can then baton pass out to your shanderra, ononokuso, gyarados or whatever and sweep
Mean Look can't be Baton Passed anymore. Once you pass to another Pokemon, the Pokemon you trapped can just switch out. It does still force a switch but there are better Pokemon for that like Wobbuffet with Encore.
Edit: Ninja'd
Umbreon will always be great because people will always underestimate him. You guys wouldn't believe how many time an opponent has allowed my Umbreon to curse 5 or 6 times. 5 or 6 defense boosts make Umbreon practically invinsible, 5 or 6 attack boosts with 100BP STAB move OHKOs most pokemon, and people let it happen all the time.
I'd like to put forward my set. It's a bit unconventional, but I guarantee it works
Umbreon @ Leftovers
Ability: Syncronize
Nature: Impish (+Def, -SpAtk)
EVs: 120 HP / 220 Def / 168 SpDef
-Confuse Ray
-Toxic
-Assurance
-Screech / Heal Bell
Offensive Umbreon may sound like a bad idea, but it carries many advantages normally unheard of. This set takes advantage of Umbreon's superior defensive capabilities, and if played well it can be a superb mid-game sweeper.
Strategy is simple: Switch in on something it can absorb, such as Psychic, and use Confuse Ray. Assurance goes along with this beautifully: When the opponent hits themselves, Assurance's power doubles from 50 to 100. Coupled with STAB, this amounts to a free Giga Impact, in addition to what they do to themselves.
The choice between Screech and Heal Bell is rather skewed toward HB, due to it making Umbreon's team resistant to status effects, but there are good reasons to choose Screech. While CR and Screech together may sound like a knockoff of Swagger, it has a major advantage: It doesn't put Umbreon at risk by increasing the opponent's attack. Furthermore, it increases the damage dealt by Assurance.
Umbreon @ Leftovers
Ability: Syncronize
Nature: Impish (+Def, -SpAtk)
EVs: 120 HP / 220 Def / 168 SpDef
-Confuse Ray
-Toxic
-Assurance
-Screech / Heal Bell
Offensive Umbreon may sound like a bad idea, but it carries many advantages normally unheard of. This set takes advantage of Umbreon's superior defensive capabilities, and if played well it can be a superb mid-game sweeper.
Strategy is simple: Switch in on something it can absorb, such as Psychic, and use Confuse Ray. Assurance goes along with this beautifully: When the opponent hits themselves, Assurance's power doubles from 50 to 100. Coupled with STAB, this amounts to a free Giga Impact, in addition to what they do to themselves.
The choice between Screech and Heal Bell is rather skewed toward HB, due to it making Umbreon's team resistant to status effects, but there are good reasons to choose Screech. While CR and Screech together may sound like a knockoff of Swagger, it has a major advantage: It doesn't put Umbreon at risk by increasing the opponent's attack. Furthermore, it increases the damage dealt by Assurance.
Trollfreak totally friggin' trolled Umbreon this Gen, giving Espeon Magic Mirror... what does Umbreon get? Friggin' Inner Focus. BULLSHARK.
:\ There's really not much to say about Umbreon... It really didn't get much.
In fact, it got the opposite of getting something, it can't even use its signature set of Passing Mean Look anymore. D< Again I say BULLSHARK.
:\ There's really not much to say about Umbreon... It really didn't get much.
In fact, it got the opposite of getting something, it can't even use its signature set of Passing Mean Look anymore. D< Again I say BULLSHARK.
Hey, at least we can still use Umbreon for a basic tanky/supporty Toxic-spreading set OH WAIT WE HAVE BARUJIINA who has instant recovery and a phazing move, not to mention better speed for faster Taunts and neutrality to Bug and Fighting attacks.
Seems as the only thing left is CurseBreon, and now we have Justice Heart Lucario and Kobaruon, who take next to nothing even from a max boosted Payback, while simultaneously getting a free attack boost. Siggghhhhh...
Seems as the only thing left is CurseBreon, and now we have Justice Heart Lucario and Kobaruon, who take next to nothing even from a max boosted Payback, while simultaneously getting a free attack boost. Siggghhhhh...
Actually you'll find that Scizor's uberpowerful U-turn and just about any decent STAB Close Combat are more powerful than the occasional coverage Ice Beam/Thunderbolt/Stone Edge. It really depends on how you Ev your Umbreon or Barujiina. However you do have a point there as the certain STAB Ice/Electric/Rock moves are deadly to Barujiina when STAB'd, while doing pittance to Umbreon. However I feel that a ground immunity, instant recovery and a phazing move make Umbreon outclassed except in a niche role where an additional Electric/Ice/Rock weakness on the team would be really bad for synergy.
Meh... Barujina is a better physical wall as most flyers are, and umbreon will probably be a better special wall, beating ghosts and most bulky waters easier... not having to worry much about the odd ice beam. I'd probably pick barujiina in the end though as a bulky dark type... Umbreon gets wish and doesn't have a SR weakness... which is nice... but I find it nicer that Baru doesn't take damage from sand storm
Guys, just found this on the research thread:
Confirmed The trapping effect of moves such as Mean Look and Wrap can no longer be Baton Passed. (imgty)
This means the OP is giving the wrong info, and now Umbreon also loses it's ability as a trap-passer.
Edit: Oh, great. Ninja'd by DDRMaster & Banryu u.u
Confirmed The trapping effect of moves such as Mean Look and Wrap can no longer be Baton Passed. (imgty)
This means the OP is giving the wrong info, and now Umbreon also loses it's ability as a trap-passer.
Edit: Oh, great. Ninja'd by DDRMaster & Banryu u.u
