That was the point of making highly-detailed models for 3DS, but as was shown in the SwSh prototype leak, that futureproof plan didn't pan out.
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Daily reminder that the actual issue that caused Dexit wasn't porting the models, but rather creating the new animations.
Notably, the ones for Camp, which are surprisingly detailed.
...and also the fact that Dynamaxing and de-dynamaxing (as well as getting KOd while dynamaxed) have their own separate animation that isn't just *make bigger and red*.
Something that was proven further by the fact that several pokemon present in Let's Go which already had HD models ready were not available in SwSh on release, not even with the original "35".
Notably, the ones for Camp, which are surprisingly detailed.
...and also the fact that Dynamaxing and de-dynamaxing (as well as getting KOd while dynamaxed) have their own separate animation that isn't just *make bigger and red*.
Something that was proven further by the fact that several pokemon present in Let's Go which already had HD models ready were not available in SwSh on release, not even with the original "35".
Is that confirmed or are we just speculating based on the Demo leak?
“What was the “ original 35? “ ?
And also if there was issues importing models due to Camping and Dynamax, why won’t GF admit they had issues after the DLC?
Speculating, but it's also the only "excuse" they provided which wasn't proven wrong yet (balance and model quality were both disproven)
Release SwSh had 35 pokemon in the game files that had everything coded but were not obtainable without hacks (and well, were obtainable once Home released).
Kanto starters, Alolan starters, the knights including Keldeo, gen 5 legendaries, gen 7 legendaries, mewtwo, mew, celebi, victini, and obviously meltan and melmetal.
They're too proud to do it.
They havent commented anything on the fact that the other 2 reasons provided originally for Dexit were disproven by their own DLCs, nor even commented the fact they originally said that the pokemon other than the original 400 were never going to be in swsh.
Plus, let's be honest, it's very rare that a company will publically admit that they're inept at coding, less so after you faced the backlash that GF faced after Dexit announcement.
No, the wrist flames are in its dex:
Also why do you think it's Mega has fire streamers coming from its wrists?
Also whoever said I didn't like Blaziken? Sure, I think it looks cooler with the wrist flames, but it's design is solid overall and the fact that it didn't have the wrist flames for its sprites and I still like it shows how good of a design it is.
How didn't it work out?
I will give the SwSh's models excuse one bone throw though, the graphics team did need to adjust the lighting engine (and maybe touched up the textures). But the models themselves (wireframe, skeleton), but hey are the same models as they were in Gen VI.
Oh, and the new animations (how many new ones were there?) for Pokemon Camp as Worldie suggested.
Well the Dynamaxing & de-dynamaxing animation is just them taking the normal model, covering it in light effects, and having it increase/decrease in size. The Pokemon doesn't even change from its default pose (only after Dynamaxing and the new Dynamax Model has loaded up does it "drop down" and does its taunt.
Also isn't the Dynamax being KOed just an explosion over the Dynamax model (then followed by the a version of the de-dynamaxing animation except with the fainting/fainted Pokemon model)?
Sure, they're new "animations", but a lot of it is just special effects over the usual animations.
Like, only the Gigantamax would need new animations cause they're different forms.
Not to mention GF themselves are fickle when it comes to decisions (at least for those on top, particularly Masuda) and love to "surprise" people even if to do so they need to blatantly lie (in many instances where they could have just said "no comment" or "it seems that way but you never can be sure").
Of course not, that's why they future-proofed the 3D models in XY and have been reusing those ever since.
That's why XY came out slightly half-baked and why the 3DS games have some performance issues.
It's a well-known fact that the models are reused (As they should, they're very high quality and it's industry-standard to reuse good assets.)
A couple animations (not even all of them) are the problem. I'd even argue that the camera is a bigger problem.
All of the old ones came straight outta Amie.
That ain't it chief.
Nah. There's plenty of new animations, namely all the interactions with toys, balls, and other pokemon.All of the old ones came straight outta Amie.
That ain't it chief.
Repeat for ~1000+ pokemon/forms.
Yes, quality wise they are, but from what I learned from back when people tried to "force" nonpresent pokemon in the game, they are separate data files, thus obviously extra work.
(re: GF is sadly not very competent when it comes to optimizing resources)
Toys - Attack animation
Balls - Animation? The ball just sticks to them.
Other mons - cry and attack animations.
Sprinkle some Amie for flavor.
There really aren't any new animations for old mons outside of a couple tweaks and some Dynamax cry animations.
As far as I can tell old pokemon all received at most one new animation, which is the dynamax cry / runnning into an overworld encounter one. Haven't seen anything in Camp that wasn't in Amie, an attack animation or the datamined walking cycles, although it was probably a lot of work to splice those together.
Isn't this the same as the 3DS games too? I'm positively sure that only a few mons got a couple tweaks and most are straight from the 3DS. (For example, Quagsire got its arms in a different position).
I could post a source, but I'm not sure y'all would like to watch a DistantKingdom video...
I was referring to Typhlosion :P
And I already noted the flame wrists were in model sheets for ADV, so it's canon since at that point GF directly lent art assets
Blaziken's 3D model does have the wrist flames, they just only appear during some of its attacking animations. Though it would probably make more sense if they were "on" constantly during battle and "off" outside of battle.
Isn't this the same as the 3DS games too? I'm positively sure that only a few mons got a couple tweaks and most are straight from the 3DS. (For example, Quagsire got its arms in a different position).
I could post a source, but I'm not sure y'all would like to watch a DistantKingdom video...
I think some number of them are indeed new, or at least, porting them over isn't quite as simple as it sounds. Someone hacked a Dragonite into SwSh before the Crown Tundra came out by using the Let's Go model, and the Dynamax/overworld encounter animation is completely absent.
That's odd. I thought they were just reusing existing animations.
A lot of things could've gone wrong here, the most obvious of which being that the animation isn't being loaded properly. There was clearly some issues because the model is hovering way above the ground, this is usually a result of animation misreads judging by my experience modding other games.
The easiest way to check is to encounter a Wild Dragonite in SwSh and hack a Wild DNite encounter in a 3DS game. If the animation is the same, mystery solved.
If you pay a close attention, they probably do re-use pieces of the old animations, but the "retexturing" is going through during the animation, as well as the "taunt" animation or collapsing animations.
Dynamax - de/dynamax animations are definitely their own thing.
Seriously cannot like this post enough. I agree COMPLETELY.
Wait... are you implying that the growing animation and the explosion animation are actually two additional models!?
Well a few old mons were probably given some additional animations for the reaction when judging the taste of the curry you made.
Thanks!
Wait... are you implying that the growing animation and the explosion animation are actually two additional models!?
Well a few old mons were probably given some additional animations for the reaction when judging the taste of the curry you made.
Thanks!
Tried to quote you in my sig but it got cut lol
Thank you!
I feel it's a cheap excuse for sure, and I don't actively hate on Game Freak at all nor would I like to, but this excuse is definitely dodgy IMO.
They should nix this Dynamax/Gigantamax stuff in the next game and just bring the old 3DS models and Pokemon back in full.
The Dynamax models shouldn't even be separate models! There should instead just be a script that tells the game to increase a Pokemon's model up to a set limit (for both height and length) and have the red clouds just vaguely floating above where the Pokemon would be standing.
They likely will. GF heavily pushed the idea Dynamax is only a Galar thing, the super mechanic of next game will either be different or maybe we'll revisit Mega Evolution and/or Z-Moves but tweaked with what they learned from Dynamax.
Not sure what you mean by "the old 3DS models", the models they're using ARE the old 3DS models. In Gen VI they "future-proofed" each Pokemon model by making them all have way more tris then they'll need for a long time, which sort of backfired as I think that's one reason why the 3DS games lagged a bit, but upon coming to the Switch the system can handle them much easily. They probably won't even need to update the models for the next few generations.