Exactly. What would you gain from switching Volc into an attack that could deal fair damage (even more if Rocks are up) when you can sacrifice the Scizor-weak Pokemon you have out to give Volcarona a free switchin, allowing you to Quiver Dance on the switch and sweep? It makes no sense whatsoever.
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Volcarona
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Exactly. What would you gain from switching Volc into an attack that could deal fair damage (even more if Rocks are up) when you can sacrifice the Scizor-weak Pokemon you have out to give Volcarona a free switchin, allowing you to Quiver Dance on the switch and sweep? It makes no sense whatsoever.
So basically you're redefining the terms of the battle to suit your argument. I guess Volcarona's not good since it can't take down 4 mons by itself at half health! You're cherry picking for your argument now, and to a ridiculous extent.
If we really want to play this game, then I have a Forretress who can Rapid Spin away rocks safely against anything but Rotom-W and Fire Blast Tyranitar, then bring in full-health DDNite to boost, forcing you to revenge kill it with Rotom-W's HP Ice or Scizor's Bullet Punch, allowing Volcarona to set up and sweep. Or in other words, a game of Pokemon.
Which brings us back to the original point: Volcarona can set up on Scizor.
correction: bulky volcarona sets up on scizor
offensive volc without a recovery move has 80% of its hp cleaved off by the two banded bullet punches it takes from quiver dancing and dispatching scizor.
offensive volc without a recovery move has 80% of its hp cleaved off by the two banded bullet punches it takes from quiver dancing and dispatching scizor.
Now, I really think that Rain abuse Volcarona deserves more love. With basically a standard Offensive QDer with Bug Buzz+Hurricane+Fire Blast/ HP Water, you have yourself not only a formidable sweeper, but a huge asset against Sun teams as well. Not to mention that Offensive Rain teams will often carry a Starmie anyways, so keeping Stealth Rock and such off the field shouldn't be an issue.
My point was; in its entirety; that volcarona doesn't necessarily set up on scizor. If it's choice locked;fine. I'm just saying that with a pokemon that learns and often uses u-turn, that there's a good chance that you can't set up on it. Okay?
And i find rain rona to be totally underwhelming. It's a special attacker that i counter with no sp.def SKARMORY.
I have to agree; any time I use Rain Volcarona, its been pretty underwhelming considering the fact that the only Steel-type you can really damage in the rain without getting serious damage from to get a boost is Ferrothorn. Jirachi breaks your Sub with anything once it switches in, and is can always use Psyshock / Water Pulse or Body Slam (or whatever it's carrying besides Iron Head or a special attack if you have a QD boost). Skarmory resists everything and is neutral to Fire Blast in the rain, letting it Brave Bird you or just phaze you. I personally am only really liking the resistances that rain Volcarona brings to the table tbh.
The scenario presented is that scizor has just bullet punched something and ko'd it, and now volcorona is switching in to take advantage of the situation. Nobody is ever going to switch a volcorona in on a scizor directly, since the opponent will most likely see this coming and u-turn out. That's kind of like saying that ho-oh can't directly turn forretress into setup fodder in ubers because forty will simply volt switch out on the switch.
Rain volcorona is something I have never used, but I have seen it used often against me whenever I played sun. Usually, my opponent was panicking because my own volcorona was setting up on them, and then they brought it their own to try and gamble with non stab hurricanes. It also loses to sp. def heatran just as badly as a regular volcorona in sunlight, and it's usually a free switch in for sp. def nine tales with roar. Honestly, I can't imagine this Pokemon threatening sun all that much unless you're carrying fire blast. I can see why a rain team would need an anti sun measure, I suppose.
While bulky volcorona is ridiculously easy to set up with, let's not knock offensive volcorona just yet. I have tried an LO set with morning sun before and it ohko's terrakion with fire blast after a boost.
Speaking of offensive Volcarona, Modest makes a huge difference in its power output. Modest allows Volcarona to OHKO Terrakion with a +1 Charcoal-boosted Fire Blast in the Sun, which Timid slightly falls short (91-107%). Charcoal is a great item on Volcarona in Sun teams, imo. Sun & Charcoal provides enough boost to overcome any resistances; a Timid Volcarona's +1 Fire Blast knocks out offensive Gyarados and Dragonite after SR for instance.
LO definitely comes in handy for taking out Specs / ScarfToed with +1 Bug Buzz after Rocks, allowing Volcarona to take part in winning the weather war. Modest LO +1 Bug Buzz even has a 75% chance of knocking out defensive Politoed after SR damage.
LO definitely comes in handy for taking out Specs / ScarfToed with +1 Bug Buzz after Rocks, allowing Volcarona to take part in winning the weather war. Modest LO +1 Bug Buzz even has a 75% chance of knocking out defensive Politoed after SR damage.
I've used rain Volcarona quite a bit and it's damage output has proved underwhelming. Even at +1, Hurricane does not have enough power as one would expect and the move is better abused by Dragonite and Tornadus. Also in the rain, Fire Blast is not hurting much save Ferrothorn and Forretress. I feel like Volc is best fit for Sun teams that obviously can take out rocks and I personally prefer a bulkier set
I use an offensive Volcrona on my sun team. Not bulky, but one that hits hard and fast. I never leave home without it (unless I am playing Ubers >_>).
Skarmory is OHKOed by +1 Fire Blast even in the rain. Jirachi gets OHKOed as well at +1 if you run LO (a bit more risky) and have a layer of Spikes up. Scizor and Forretress we don't even have to mention. There's a reason Fire Blast is the main option on the Rain Volc set.
After playing with Rain Vilcarona more, my opinion on her has greatly changed. After a single Quiver Dance she is able to rip through teams with the coverage provided by Hurricane/Bug Buzz/Fire Blast. I prefer running the standard onsite EVs with Leftovers. It seems that Volcarona is better now than when it was more commonly used becauae fewer teams are prepare for her
Rain Volcarona is only good for taking care of pesky grass types, like Celebi, the ultimate rain counter. Not to mention, if sun wins the weather war in rain, and you don't have Volcarona, your rain team will have problems managing a win entirely. I don't personally run Volcarona in rain, as its like using a Chlorophyl sweeper but worse. I never tried running the fire move in rain, it might work, but all I know is that every steel type makes Volcarona cry ,and switch. Volcarona hates being forced to switch.
No, Volcarona's best sets are its offensive and bulky sets. Bulky Volcarona is a personal favorite because I like bulky offense, and offense, but offensiverona would be nice for HO. Volcarona is really beast in sun, and also in sand if you ran the bulky set with lefties.
Just my two cents.
No, Volcarona's best sets are its offensive and bulky sets. Bulky Volcarona is a personal favorite because I like bulky offense, and offense, but offensiverona would be nice for HO. Volcarona is really beast in sun, and also in sand if you ran the bulky set with lefties.
Just my two cents.
Well, i assume rain volcaronas lack fire attacks, because if you have that then all you're really getting out of rain is a more accurate hurricane, while also becoming much weaker to water-types. Still, with hurricane as your last move, you're now checked and arguably countered by a whole lot more. Instead of having things like heatran and dragonite that can be beaten by HP's, you now have things you can sort of scratch before dying.
Jeez, why do everyone assume that Rain Volcarona doesn't carry Fire Blast and then assume that your Steel-type can wall it? You're still being hit by the equivalent of a 120 BP STAB move, rain and super effective cancelling out. Pretty much every Steel-type with the exception of Empoleon is OHKOed by a +1 Fire Blast (Jirachi needs Spikes and LO). Fire Blast is the primary option on the analysis for a reason.
Fire Blast acc so shaky, flamethrower can't really boast much in rain. Hp water would be the better idea especially for heatran, like I said, I never tested the fire stab in rain. But we cannot forget that it gains a x4 weakness to water (QD spdef boosts ignored when water attacks hit it) and it cannot even boast x2 speed like vena could in sun. it loses coverage in rain, so although good for rain teams, it doesn't bring out volcaronas full potential, like say, a bulky set could...
If you haven't tested the Fire STAB in the rain, then please don't comment on it. Fire Blast's accuracy is not bad, either, especially when you consider the amount of things it can kill with it. HP Water, frankly sucks, since Heatran is pretty much walled by your entire rain team, there is no need to use HP Water to hit it. Unless it runs Specially Defensive or something like HP Rock, Volcarona walls it in the rain anyway, and you can just boost up a bit and take it down with repeated Hurricanes.
Also, the purpose of Rain Volc is not to bring out Volcarona's potential, it is to support a rain team. Have you even read the analysis and actually know what it does?
Very well said shrang. The key thing to remember is that Volcarona is meant to support when its on a rain team. I was once skeptic of trying Volcarona on a rain based team but I can honestly say it works beautifully. As a matter of fact, I find myself sweeping more often with Volcarona on rain than with the typical rain sweepers because it is so easy to set up on the Ferro's and Celebi's often used on sandstorm teams to check rain.
Volcorona doesn't lose to rain stall if you have sun support. The big boom in the usage of scarfed landorus and scarfed terrakion came from the fact that most offensive teams needed a counter to volcorona to begin with. Try running volcorona with wobbufett support to dispose of the former two. You will see how easy it suddenly becomes to dispose of the enemy team with this Pokemon.
There's also the fact that Banded terrakion isn't even a counter to volcorona if sunlight is up. LO volcorona ohko's with fire blast.
There's also the fact that Banded terrakion isn't even a counter to volcorona if sunlight is up. LO volcorona ohko's with fire blast.
Choice Scarf Terrakion and Landorus are both easily handled by Donphan or Forretress, common Rapid Spinners of Drought teams. Also, if Chansey is weakened enough, Volcarona won't have too much trouble with Rain Stall, to be honest. I'm pretty sure +1 Bug Buzz 2HKO Defensive Politoed after Stealth Tock while Fire Blast KO's all the common steel types found in rain.