WOW.
any set up sweeper without priority risks a mischeivieous heart encore pokemon comming in on its set up move and forcing it out.
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- Thread starter Manaphy
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WOW.
any set up sweeper without priority risks a mischeivieous heart encore pokemon comming in on its set up move and forcing it out.
I see the standard set being:
Leftovers
252def/252spdef
Leech seed
Encore
Substitute
Gale/uturn
Come in on any non damaging move and force out with encore. Proceed to subseed. If a grass type comes in to ruin your fun, hit him with a powerful gale. Specific offensive evs could be invested to ensure certain koes. Alternatley, you could run uturn over gale. It's less powerful and forces you out, but more accurate, let's you maim celebi, and is a powerful scouting tool, especially when combined with encore.
Leftovers
252def/252spdef
Leech seed
Encore
Substitute
Gale/uturn
Come in on any non damaging move and force out with encore. Proceed to subseed. If a grass type comes in to ruin your fun, hit him with a powerful gale. Specific offensive evs could be invested to ensure certain koes. Alternatley, you could run uturn over gale. It's less powerful and forces you out, but more accurate, let's you maim celebi, and is a powerful scouting tool, especially when combined with encore.
Gale? Is that what we're calling that 120 BP 70 acc flying move now? I thought it was Wind Storm :U
I was just going by serebii. So, taking that into consideration, it will likely be called ANYTHING besides gale.
Erufunn definately suffers from Move slot syndrome and empty turn syndrome (See jumpluff), and I personally think all Eru's should run taunt (priority taunt makes you able to taunt taunters) with the last slot being a choice between Gale, u-turn, toxic or encore.
If you choose encore, running 252/252 def and sdef is a great idea since you'll be hitting everything with priority anyway, though you may want to maximise speed for gale and u-turn and split between the defenses. Your last slot pretty much determines who shuts you down.
If you go for encore, Espeon is going to school you with magic mirror, and you won't be able to do much against rival grass types bar shutting them down, if you pick gale or u-turn, you'll lose the ability to switch in on boosters to encore them and bulkier grass types (and still, espeon) will give you trouble.
If you pick toxic, your best counters are Grass/poisons such as venusaur and roserade as well as nuttre (who pretty much walls 90% of Dppthgss OU).
All these pokemon are destroyed by shanderra, making erufuun and shanderra one of the most annoying combos in BW (Theorymonning here, of course), Erufuun stalls and shuts down the opponent, while shanderra traps and eliminates his counters.
EDIT: Ideally, the two erufuun sets I see are;
Erufuun@Leftovers
Bold
252 Def/252 SpD/6 HP
Leech seed
Toxic/Encore
Taunt
Substitute
Or
Erufuun@Leftovers
Jolly/Timid
252 Spe/126 Def/132 Sdef
Leech seed
Gale/U-turn
Taunt
Substitute
Offensive Erufuun is a stupid idea, It's more of a gimmicky set I can't see making any headway in OU so I'd take that set out the OP. Key to it's strengths and work with it's priority stall/subseed powers.
Offensive Erefuun is pretty dumb, but mischievous heart isn't; this ability is a game breaker, make no mistake. With an erefuun on your team, getting swept isn't even a concern (unless they are using priority moves). That being said, there is some serious moveslot syndrome going on here.
My set is probably going to look like this:
Erefuun @ leftovers
Jolly, Mischievous Heart
252 HP/(the rest in spd or def depending on various possibilities)
Taunt
Stun Spore
Leech Seed
Encore
This is an anti-lead, an anti-sweeper, and a stall breaker all in one small, fluffy package. Taunt makes the set. You can either encore or stun spore depending on whatever your opponent had just used. I value stun spore highly here, because Erefuun will most likely be used as a sacrifice later in the match (shame it doesn't learn destiny bond or memento or something). And it's not like erefuun can kill that +6 DD'd Ononokusu, but it can paralyze it for something else.
This is my favorite pokemon in this generation, and man was I excited when I saw what mischievous heart does. I think it's an ability that will shape the environment (although maybe not on erefuun).
My set is probably going to look like this:
Erefuun @ leftovers
Jolly, Mischievous Heart
252 HP/(the rest in spd or def depending on various possibilities)
Taunt
Stun Spore
Leech Seed
Encore
This is an anti-lead, an anti-sweeper, and a stall breaker all in one small, fluffy package. Taunt makes the set. You can either encore or stun spore depending on whatever your opponent had just used. I value stun spore highly here, because Erefuun will most likely be used as a sacrifice later in the match (shame it doesn't learn destiny bond or memento or something). And it's not like erefuun can kill that +6 DD'd Ononokusu, but it can paralyze it for something else.
This is my favorite pokemon in this generation, and man was I excited when I saw what mischievous heart does. I think it's an ability that will shape the environment (although maybe not on erefuun).
He does learn Memento by breeding, so the sacrifice is a valid option ;)
Memento > Switch to shanderra > Devistate whatever's out.
It's like the two were made for eachother
I'm really loving the Erufuun + Shanderra Combo.
I'll take out the Growth Set..
I'm assuming Skymin is Uber.
I'll take out the Growth Set..
How exactly does it make it harder to set up subs? And besides, with Mischievous Heart, there isn't much need for Speed EVs, so we might as well put them in HP.
EDIT: Oh wait, nevermind :<.
We might as well invest in his defenses now, his Sp.Atk isn't that great without a boost.
The less max HP you have, the more of your health bar will be increased a turn with leech seed.
Actually, someone tested it against +1 priority moves. It increases the priority of 0 BP moves by 1. Aka, every single one of those moves people have been throwing around will be at +1 priority (Read: Outspeeds Scizor's Bullet Punch).
TR hasn't been tested yet, but I'd assume it's also raised one level. Since there aren’t any -6 priority moves, though... TR doesn’t have anything to outspeed.
Haha its just earned itself the nickname Fury :)
Yes, it was my mistake- I thought my opponent was slower, but turns out he was faster. lol
Oh wow.... that's interesting. This just makes Erufuun even better. Max Def Erufuun actually lives Scizor's Bullet Punch IIRC, so he can SubSeed on Scizor too.
Unfortunately in the upgrade key features of the design were missed
I want priority Sleep Powder dammit
Obligatory Gimmick set. Outshined by just about every other set, but somewhat plausible. If Erufuun ends up in UU (she will NEVER go to NU), I might use something like this.
Erufuun w/ Leftovers + Mischievous Heart
Modest nature. 252 Speed, 252 Sp Atk, 6 Def
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Giga Drain/Energy Ball
-Boufuu
Technically walled by steels, but he can still Leech Seed-Stall them. Natorie is the only steel to be immune to Leech Seed (to my knowledge), and they take neutral damage from Boufuu. As I said, gimmick, but has some use.
EDIT: Just remembered Giga Drain was upgraded. Nice. Edited it in.
Erufuun w/ Leftovers + Mischievous Heart
Modest nature. 252 Speed, 252 Sp Atk, 6 Def
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Giga Drain/Energy Ball
-Boufuu
Technically walled by steels, but he can still Leech Seed-Stall them. Natorie is the only steel to be immune to Leech Seed (to my knowledge), and they take neutral damage from Boufuu. As I said, gimmick, but has some use.
EDIT: Just remembered Giga Drain was upgraded. Nice. Edited it in.
How was it able to go before an aqua jet then?
I have a few questions regarding all of these...
Not all of the non-damaging moves will be affected by Mischievous Heart?
And for the some that's affected, what will be their priority value? +1 or +2?
If it's +1, does its speed in relation to the opponent decide if it goes first (if it uses of course the non-attacking move)?
Weavile is faster than Erufuun, so does Ice Shard goes first before the latter?, no matter what non-attacking move it uses?
Not all of the non-damaging moves will be affected by Mischievous Heart?
And for the some that's affected, what will be their priority value? +1 or +2?
If it's +1, does its speed in relation to the opponent decide if it goes first (if it uses of course the non-attacking move)?
Weavile is faster than Erufuun, so does Ice Shard goes first before the latter?, no matter what non-attacking move it uses?
Seeing as the last few posts seem to indicate that Leech Seed, Stun Spore etc do not have priority, I reckon that a Chlorophyll subseeding set may have the most merit of all suggested subseeding ones on a team running Ninetales.
It loses the ability to priority taunt, so if it is needed to shut down SR leads (as it may well be given Urogamosu, Charizard and Moltres's hatred of rocks) then this probably isn't a good idea. But it reaches over 700 Speed with chlorophyll, making it literally the fastest thing in the metagame. And even if sun goes down then base 116 Subseeding isn't half bad.
Of course in this position it has to compete with jumpluff, but fortunately Erufuun has much more physical bulk to help with priority, greater speed, Taunt, less base HP for more recovery, and more usable attacking stats (Giga Drain perhaps). Its main loss is Sleep Powder, but I read somewhere that sleep has been nerfed to only 3 turns max, so perhaps this isn't too great a loss?
It loses the ability to priority taunt, so if it is needed to shut down SR leads (as it may well be given Urogamosu, Charizard and Moltres's hatred of rocks) then this probably isn't a good idea. But it reaches over 700 Speed with chlorophyll, making it literally the fastest thing in the metagame. And even if sun goes down then base 116 Subseeding isn't half bad.
Of course in this position it has to compete with jumpluff, but fortunately Erufuun has much more physical bulk to help with priority, greater speed, Taunt, less base HP for more recovery, and more usable attacking stats (Giga Drain perhaps). Its main loss is Sleep Powder, but I read somewhere that sleep has been nerfed to only 3 turns max, so perhaps this isn't too great a loss?