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World Cup of 1v1 IV - Discussion Thread
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I do like this argument, as i still personally think this holds validity for making this balanced. I do not personally enjoy constantly drafting non 1v1s into 1v1.
So if possible id like to pushfor this organization or something similar of the regions in world cup and ofc hear more of the communities opinion for it. especially the mentioned and impacted regions.
it was me
US East
US Central + Canada (or oce ig?)
US West + OCE (or canada ig?)
Outer Europe + Germany
Asia + East EU (-Germany)
France + Italy
US Central + Canada (or oce ig?)
US West + OCE (or canada ig?)
Outer Europe + Germany
Asia + East EU (-Germany)
France + Italy
Hello, I come to you fully transparent with no bias this time. Whether you like it or not, World Cup isn't, sadly, meant for balance but for regions. In my opinion, the key to WC is to keep the same teams every year so people in the same team form a bond which will make the tournament 100% more enjoyable. The Goal of WC isn't to create balance each year but to keep regions close to each other. With that being said, I believe we should reuse last years regions and stop worrying about Asia or any other weak team, their time will come, if not this year maybe next year. (Please keep in mind that the Europe/USA territories should be both close and balanced, don't use that as a reason to give out some unhealthy and unbalanced splits)
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"1v1pl is your tournament for balance and 1v1wc is your tournament for local unity, which is inherently unbalanced and purely dependent on where people are from" this was said by TonyFlygon in the Smogon Tournaments Discord
World Cup is an inherently biased format just like any other similar tournament, like the smogon wcop or even the olympics themselves, pushing for balance just forces things and still leads to people being unpleased with the result.
It's a format that is more centralized on worse players being helped by better players to become better than to draft players that are already proven great. Trying to change things around for the sake of balance is counterproductive as it leads to teams that already have good chemistry to be forced to team up with players they aren't familiar with.
8x8 is the way to go
Lemme say they live in germany and take em with me to coastal .#FreeBenelux+Germany
Yo, the last time I proposed an idea for a new format, the Bo3o3 or Bo5o5 format. Of course, this idea already exists in the biggest and most prestigious Smogon tournaments and could possibly be integrated this year in our competition formats, I will also tell you precisely why we should integrate this idea.
Each generation has its own peculiarities and characters. It lives and grows thanks to the progress of new objects, technological advances, worlds... And all this is linked to a competition that has been chosen to satisfy its individual or collective interest. It is necessary to keep moving forward and to put new trends into perspective in order to increase a need. Thanks to Galar's era, which is still fresh, we must seize the opportunity to commit ourselves to a new field that will generate strong emotion for those who participate in the competition. I said last time that the number of signups depends on the number of teams to be expected and therefore to add a new potential playable format to allow players to always find a collective interest in playing what they want and to give a lot of their free time to help their fellow man, that's the ultimate goal of a council member, isn't it? In the near future, the inclusion of this kind of idea would be more than obvious and will continue to develop under good conditions. Each of us deserves to play what we want, and that is the case at the moment, but we should develop this slot to make it even more attractive. The 1v1 WCoP is one of the most popular team tournaments because of its accessibility, for the different older generations, which is world class and the good times we spend there falling in an attractive period (most of us are on summer holidays). The teams leave according to the geographical position of the player, as in a real world cup, which creates a need for the player to fight for his country. This prestigious tournament was launched in 2017 and has not yet seen a radical change in the development of slots, which could be a major asset and could change the game.
Could 2020 be the year of change?
Each generation has its own peculiarities and characters. It lives and grows thanks to the progress of new objects, technological advances, worlds... And all this is linked to a competition that has been chosen to satisfy its individual or collective interest. It is necessary to keep moving forward and to put new trends into perspective in order to increase a need. Thanks to Galar's era, which is still fresh, we must seize the opportunity to commit ourselves to a new field that will generate strong emotion for those who participate in the competition. I said last time that the number of signups depends on the number of teams to be expected and therefore to add a new potential playable format to allow players to always find a collective interest in playing what they want and to give a lot of their free time to help their fellow man, that's the ultimate goal of a council member, isn't it? In the near future, the inclusion of this kind of idea would be more than obvious and will continue to develop under good conditions. Each of us deserves to play what we want, and that is the case at the moment, but we should develop this slot to make it even more attractive. The 1v1 WCoP is one of the most popular team tournaments because of its accessibility, for the different older generations, which is world class and the good times we spend there falling in an attractive period (most of us are on summer holidays). The teams leave according to the geographical position of the player, as in a real world cup, which creates a need for the player to fight for his country. This prestigious tournament was launched in 2017 and has not yet seen a radical change in the development of slots, which could be a major asset and could change the game.
Could 2020 be the year of change?
I 100% agree with lancer proposition. A bo3o3 or bo5o5o would change healthily the slots we have right now. I think Bo3o3 is more feasible but I'd be down for bo5o5o as it really force people out of their bubbles and to slot, while separating, the good 1v1 players from the great 1v1 players. This idea seems more entertaining than the SS slots we have right now, but the problem is How to implement it? Bo5o5o/Bo3o3o is a heavy slot which is really exciting to both watch and play, maybe a pain to play too kek which means that if anything this slot should replace SS Bo7. Now we have two options ahead of us:
Option 1:
3 SS bo5
1 SM
1 Bo5o5/bo3o3o
Option 2:
2 SS Bo5
2 SM
1 Bo5o5/bo3o3o
In my opinion I think option 1 is the better option. I think that the current generation should be represented more than old generations and cannot have the same number of slots as SM here, I mean it's preference and like culture lol. Option 1 is a perfect option as it allows us to alter / replace the "high skilled metagame (SS Bo7)" into a better, and more accurate high skilled slot, while keeping SS its integrity and representing all old gens by 1 slot + the Bo- metagame. This is why I feel Bo5o5 is better than Bo3o3 it tests the player ability to play a lot of gens and should be used as a skill test for this tournament and future tournament (imo we should also add it in PL) Bo5o5 is also better because it gives all old gens the same representation which is 2. But I can see why people don't want it, so we can also add Bo3o5, bo3 in 5 gens which sounds less painful, more realistic and still test the player knowledge in all gens.
TO CLARIFY: BO3O3, should be SS+Player 1 pick + Player 2 pick. This is also a good option over bo5o5.
Edit 2: On a second note I THINK bo3o3>bo5o3>bo5o5 cause building a lot of teams is painful af specially in a pool system.
I ask the "TD" team to look at this slot as it is really interesting, entertaining, and creates the skill gap we're looking for.
Option 1:
3 SS bo5
1 SM
1 Bo5o5/bo3o3o
Option 2:
2 SS Bo5
2 SM
1 Bo5o5/bo3o3o
In my opinion I think option 1 is the better option. I think that the current generation should be represented more than old generations and cannot have the same number of slots as SM here, I mean it's preference and like culture lol. Option 1 is a perfect option as it allows us to alter / replace the "high skilled metagame (SS Bo7)" into a better, and more accurate high skilled slot, while keeping SS its integrity and representing all old gens by 1 slot + the Bo- metagame. This is why I feel Bo5o5 is better than Bo3o3 it tests the player ability to play a lot of gens and should be used as a skill test for this tournament and future tournament (imo we should also add it in PL) Bo5o5 is also better because it gives all old gens the same representation which is 2. But I can see why people don't want it, so we can also add Bo3o5, bo3 in 5 gens which sounds less painful, more realistic and still test the player knowledge in all gens.
TO CLARIFY: BO3O3, should be SS+Player 1 pick + Player 2 pick. This is also a good option over bo5o5.
Edit 2: On a second note I THINK bo3o3>bo5o3>bo5o5 cause building a lot of teams is painful af specially in a pool system.
I ask the "TD" team to look at this slot as it is really interesting, entertaining, and creates the skill gap we're looking for.
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I'm a big fan of the Bo- slot and I agree with it replacing the Bo7 slot and an SM slot being given up for SS, but one clarification must be made. Bo3o5 or Bo5o5 is not an acceptable format because the amount of games is strictly too high, you will never be able to hold up with building for that tier. Also, there is not a single player in the metagame who is good at every single gen (besides dom but w/e he's a lonely wolf) and thus being somewhat decent at all 5 will be more rewarded than being exceptional at 2 or 3.
Bo3o3 should be the chosen slot
Bo3o3 should be the chosen slot
This is something I just thought about, that's why bo3o3 slot can be without SS. We can make it generation 3/4 ~~~> 7. With the standard/g1 generation being randomly picked for each pool / week by !pick OR being SM. Sounds better, smarter, and more feasible. OFC with both players picking the other games gens. player1 pick his gen, p2 picks his gen other than the pre-picked/set g1 gen.
Bo3o5 isn't that bad in terms of team prep, at least in my experience during U*saPL. I would do it either ORAS -> SM -> SS if you prefer an oldgens focus or SS -> SM -> ORAS if you prefer newer gens. Something like this guarantees good matches between experienced players that have to know the tiers and will really test the combination of a teams' prep in both new and old gens.
Big fan of the Bo#o# slot, but I think that when introducing it, it would be better to be more conservative in how many games it can include and then if its not seen to be excessive in terms of building requirements then build it up to be more intensive in future tours, by going too hard too fast theres a risk of spoiling what could be a really great addition to our tour scene. So with that said I'd probably argue for a bo3o3 at present with definite potential for bo3o5 or bo5o3.
Also with 3, giving each player of a choice of tier seems cool. Then I think from that if you are allowing for choice in gens, there probably has to be a discussion as to whether adv is at a state of development where it could be included. Personally, I'd be leaning towards no atm, but its definitely a consideration that exists.
Also with 3, giving each player of a choice of tier seems cool. Then I think from that if you are allowing for choice in gens, there probably has to be a discussion as to whether adv is at a state of development where it could be included. Personally, I'd be leaning towards no atm, but its definitely a consideration that exists.
Hey everyone. Thank you for all your feedback and opinions in this thread. After some discussion, the 1v1 TDs and I have agreed upon regions and a slight timeline change for World Cup. First, the regions:
We've also decided that the tournament will have 8 slots, to be announced at a later date. Please feel free to offer your thoughts on the slots in this thread.
Since the regions are decided now, the timeline of the tournament will be moved forward a week. Player signups will begin on July 5th, instead of captain signups. Captains will instead be selected by the players within their region who filled out the census. I will create a private conversation with the players from each region and have them discuss amongst each other who they deem to be the best fit for captain. If you haven't filled out the census or received a notification regarding the conversation and want to be involved with the captain selection, you may feel free to send me a request to be added to the conversation for your corresponding team.
If you are unsure which region you qualify for, check the World Cup eligiblity rules found here. If you are still unsure, don't hesitate to contact myself, Boat, Alakazam, or kjdaas.
US West
US Central + Latin America
US East
Canada + Oceania ("Cone")
South Europe + Africa
Northwest Europe
East Europe
Asia
US Central + Latin America
US East
Canada + Oceania ("Cone")
South Europe + Africa
Northwest Europe
East Europe
Asia
We've also decided that the tournament will have 8 slots, to be announced at a later date. Please feel free to offer your thoughts on the slots in this thread.
Since the regions are decided now, the timeline of the tournament will be moved forward a week. Player signups will begin on July 5th, instead of captain signups. Captains will instead be selected by the players within their region who filled out the census. I will create a private conversation with the players from each region and have them discuss amongst each other who they deem to be the best fit for captain. If you haven't filled out the census or received a notification regarding the conversation and want to be involved with the captain selection, you may feel free to send me a request to be added to the conversation for your corresponding team.
If you are unsure which region you qualify for, check the World Cup eligiblity rules found here. If you are still unsure, don't hesitate to contact myself, Boat, Alakazam, or kjdaas.
why was this awful system implemented instead of the usual captain signups that go up in every single world cup on smogon?
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