Mar 5th, 2013, 3:38:41 PM
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#23
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Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 635
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Final Submission
100 HP / 80 Atk / 50 Def / 35 SpA / 120 SpD / 115 Spe
500 BST
90.5701 PT Below Average
206.906 ST Fantastic
141.278 PS Good
70.8094 SS Poor
271.346 BSR Good
Explination:
Long version
Defenses
For starters, let's look at this spread's defenses: 90/50/120. This spread is going to survive resisted physical attacks, but will pretty much fall over and die if an especailly strong neutral STAB or a SE attack so much as sneezes on it. And that's fine - it has amazing special bulk to make up for that. Special bulk which allows us to eat the attacks from those nasty water types and Latis.
Relevant calcs off of 252 HP:
Specially defensive side:
Choice Specs Latios: 252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 294-346 (72.77 - 85.64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Choice Specs Poltioed: 252+ SpA Choice Specs Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD (custom) in rain: 161-189 (39.85 - 46.78%) -- 37.11% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Choice Specs Politoed: 252+ SpA Choice Specs Politoed Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD (custom): 286-338 (70.79 - 83.66%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Choice Scarf Keldeo: 252 SpA Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD (custom) in rain: 126-148 (31.18 - 36.63%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
As you can see, CAP5 can easily stomach the attacks we wish for it to stomach and then easily slough off the damage with sitrus berry recovery or lumrest spam. The only real concern lies in Focus Blast, but we can at worst lumrest stall it until we get a miss, at which point we can flat out OHKO.
Physically defensive side:
Choice Band Tyranitar: 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def (custom): 477-562 (118.06 - 139.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Standard Landorus-T: 64+ Atk Landorus-T Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def (custom): 198-234 (49 - 57.92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
DragonDanceSub Gyarados: 248+ Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def (custom) in rain: 181-213 (44.8 - 52.72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
As you can see, we can't really stomach the high-power hits that things with extreme power off the bat like Tyranitar have, but we can handle cases like Landorus-T or Gyarados where we resist it well enough. Not that we really need to stomach high-power physical hits - that's not CAP5's job, and letting it stand up to Choice Band Tyranitar's Stone Edge with 0 Def investment is too much considering CAP5's speed.
On Lack of Special Tankyness
You'll notice my spread is kind of lacking in special tankyness - this is intentional. When you use this spread variant of CAP5, you have to make a decision - do you want to go for a 252 HP / 252 SpDef spread and eat more attacks, or do you want to go for a 252 Hp / 252 Spe spread and gain the speed advantage?
Relevant calcs off of 252 HP / 252 SpDef:
Choice Specs Latios: 252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD (custom): 219-258 (54.2 - 63.86%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Choice Specs Politoed: 252+ SpA Choice Specs Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD (custom) in rain: 120-141 (29.7 - 34.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
Choice Specs Poltioed: 252+ SpA Choice Specs Politoed Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD (custom): 214-252 (52.97 - 62.37%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Choice Scarf Keldeo: 252 SpA Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD (custom) in rain: 93-110 (23.01 - 27.22%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock
Offenses
It only has 80 attack because it really only needs 80 attack - any more and it's going to risk going in a direction we did not intend.
Relevant calcs:
Latios/Latias: 0 Atk (custom) Crunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 174-206 (57.61 - 68.21%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Calm Mind Latias: 0 Atk (custom) Crunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias: 156-186 (42.85 - 51.09%) -- 61.33% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Bulky Politoed: 0 Atk (custom) Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Politoed: 186-222 (48.43 - 57.81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Choice Specs Politoed: 0 Atk (custom) Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Politoed: 272-324 (70.83 - 84.37%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Choice Scarf Keldeo: 0 Atk (custom) Power Whip vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 236-278 (72.83 - 85.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
As you can see we, with zero investment, murder everything we desire to murder with 80 Attack quite well - the only iffy one is Calm Mind Latias, and even then it isn't exactly safe to start Calm Minding it up with both the risk of critical hits and crunch's defense drop. The odds are in the CAP5 user's favor as well, with Crunch not only having more PP, but also giving them about 24 chances at doing it, while the Latias user will only be able to occasionally sneak in a Calm Mind.
As a side note, if one is willing, it takes exactly 70 attack EVs to always 2HKO CM Latias in every scenario, which means if that particular pokemon is a issue, then that's a option to take to constantly 2hko it.
Speed
Finally, the Speed was selected in order to always outspeed Latios and Latias who lack a Choice Scarf with 252 EVs and a Jolly nature. That's...pretty much it, really. Nothing else is relevant, since all this spread is concerned about is outspeeding Latios and Latias. However this also means CAP5 has drastically more options to spin or heal, which in turn gives it much more use then a slower spread on the aggressive, momentum-based nature of Sun teams.
However, there's still the option of ignoring that and going fully into bulk if you so desire.
Shortpoints: - craptacular physical defense
- live resisted hits and meh to medium neutral, die to strong stab neutral, die to weakness
- great special defense
- speed racer, outspeed latis
- 115 spe looks nice and doesn't outspeed anything relevant past the latis
- don't bother with meaty wishes, CAP5 will never have the time to do it. Spread discourages them in fact, this is good
- no awkward stat #s. 0s and 5s baby!
- 2hko every lati set except calm mind, still a 60% chance of 2hkoing calm mind after rocks
- shrug off the damage with lumrest
- survive at least one specs meteor with a comfy coushin of HP left
- eat two sitrus afterwards and then you have enough HP to survive another meteor, giving you a chance to retaliate
- 500 bst! how can you not love 500 BST?
Last edited by nyttyn; Mar 8th, 2013 at 11:30:24 PM.
Reason: FINAL DESTINAT-i mean submission
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