...They were declared Uber, but if you have a simple question, get a simple answer. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3450215 Also, when it takes someone longer to read what you are saying than it takes for them to type their sentence and grab a link to add to it... Also, although I'm not interested to much in the Uber Metagame, I'm still very interested in everyones impressions now of the two new forms. With this much time past, has anyone formed new opinions on them? Specifically Kyruem-B. I realize the debate was quite on sided, but maybe he just needed a bit more time to find the right set?