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DuskMod: A major modification to the standard metagame

Discussion in 'Pet Mods' started by Dusk209, Oct 19, 2012.

  1. Nollan

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    Yeah, Druddigon should DEFINITELY not get Dynamic Punch and No Guard, I'd give it Cross Chop with No Guard or something like that, good enough imo. But I think Fighting-types are fine atm. I'd worry about overpowering typings (Fire and possibly Flying) getting nerfs and underpowering typings (Ice, Poison, possibly Rock and etc) getting buffs, if anything on the typing spectrum.
  2. The Dark Hero

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    So... How does that Swift idea sound?
  3. Nollan

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    It's decent, but I really doubt anyone would be using Normal-type priority in doubles when moves like Mach Punch and Aqua Jet are much more effective. But maybe we could make it like, Flying-type or something?
  4. Nollan

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    Hey, is anyone else getting a 404 Error when they go to Dusk's server?
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  6. Arizona

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    can't get on either at the moment
    (EDIT http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3477680 though aren't these different servers? Me no good with know computer)

    Meanwhile I've been doing some number crunching. My customized BST calc puts Watchog at #16 out of 171 pokemon in DM, and that's including Meloetta-P as a seperate 'mon. I want to try Watchog now; it does have the third fastest sleep I believe, after Prankster Jynx's Lovely Kiss and Gengar's Hypnosis.

    Some pokemon with sadly low BSTs: Cofagrigus, Hitmontop, Stunfisk, Steelix, Venomoth, Beheeyem, Fearow. But it's not like they need urgent help; with 171 pokes in the meta, at a much denser power spread than in standard, we're already practically flooded with viable options.
  7. thesynchrohero

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    Why does tangrowth have drill run and why does escavalier have bullet punch when it has no hands ?
  8. PureQuestion

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    Because DuskMod doesn't care about flavor when it doesn't need to.
  9. thesynchrohero

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    Thanks for clearing that up.
  10. Champion Steve

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    I'm actually really impressed by Gyarados in DuskMod. All it gained was an actual usable Flying STAB move (rot in hell, Bounce) and it's now a really impressive Moxie Sweeper. It's so nice when things slot into place like that. I only found out about Water/Flying's superb coverage after being swept by a Gyarados and it makes me wonder how good a specially based Water/Flying mon would be. One that's not Swanna, I mean.

    Also, I had thought regarding Normalise. What if it gave an Adaptability bonus in addition to its usual effects (and was given to things other than than Delcatty.) With a decent movepool, it might offer a nice Risk/Reward dynamic.
  11. youngjake93

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    Ninetales seems like a Pokemon that should have Moonlight(because it is a fox, the Drought thing is secondary), not Recover.
  12. Arizona

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    An ability like Drought can't be considered secondary to flavor. Getting more recovery needs a more compelling reason than because it's a fox. It would only serve to slightly increase the importance of weather.
  13. Yarnus of Bethany

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    I am actually afraid DM as it stands now is somewhat centralized. At least one of Sawsbuck, Zapdos, Gyarados, Escavalier, and Darmanitan is almost necessary, and stall is not very easy to play correctly. The mons you mentioned could help boost stall, so the do need attention.
  14. Champion Steve

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    I'd agree those are kind of problem Pokemon. Sawsbuck can pull of an Extreme Killer set and can even actually use Chlorophyll (I know it's shocking, I forgot about it too.) Ain't nothing outspeeding it in Sun. Zapdos' power is kind of obvious since it's like a Thundurus that has Hurricane and can summons Rain. As for Gyarados, I dunno. There is no denying that it's powerful, but it didn't get buffed much. Well, I suppose that one buff was worth a lot. Giving Escavalier Bullet Punch kinda made it encroach on Scizor's territory, and Edgequake (well, Drilledge) was really a bit much. And Darmanitan-Z is a super bulky nuke that can use Calm Mind to become more bulky and more nukey. Or maybe it'll just nuke you straight away. Of course, no special attacker is harming it after a boost so guess well.
  15. Arizona

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    Mmm, well it's difficult to comment on. Centralization, frankly, is probably inevitable on a statistical level because of the small number of people and therefore teams. I've made teams and had success with and without one of those five pokemon, and they aren't the first five I would list as most necessary. From each of our limited perspectives different pokemon might appear to be "almost necessary," simply because they haven't faced a wide enough array of opponents. What does seem common to our limited experiences is that stall is no good.

    The true degree of centralization relative to Standard OU is impossible to determine unless DM's playerbase equals Standard's. But I think it must be less centralized since UU, RU, and NU pokes were preferentially buffed (yes there are a few oddballs that need adjusting like Keldeo and Mew getting better buffs than Cofagrigus and Sigilyph). Most of all weather was pulled back significantly, although perhaps not enough yet.

    Chlorophyll gives a x1.5 boost now. Anything with a scarf and 102 or more speed can outspeed it. As for Escavalier, yeah it got good buffs. It's RU.
  16. Champion Steve

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    My point was that a lot of the things fast enough to outspeed it in Sun aren't the kind of things that could take an ExtremeSpeed. As for Escavalier, we ARE talking about something stronger and bulkier than Scizor.
  17. Arizona

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    Pretty sure Crobat, Aerodactyl, Scyther, Gengar, Durant, the Musketeers (minus Viriz maybe), Sawk, Primeape, Archeops, and Leavany aren't OHKO'd by unboosted Xspeed. Now at +2 it's a different matter, but my point wasn't that the best way to handle ChloroSawsbuck was more speed, just pointing out that "ain't nothing outspeeding under sun" was incorrect.

    It's debatable if Escavalier is "stronger" than Technician Scizor. Scizor also gets U-turn and Roost and outspeeds about 19% more pokes without investment and quite a few more with investment. I agree that Escavalier is good. I don't agree that it is one of five "almost necessary" pokemon.
  18. Dusk209

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    Due to issues with no-ip, the server is now hosted at http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/~~24.188.20.224/lobby. I am also looking to do some updates to DuskMod itself in the future, because currently it's very messy and has some dumb things (extremespeed sawsbuck with a great atk stat? What was I thinking?)
  19. Champion Steve

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    I worry that not a lot of people have seen that the server was moved. Also, if you're considering removing some changes, why not re-nerf Explosion? I personally feel that it doesn't really promote skillful play.
  20. Nollan

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    When it comes to Explosion, I think the Gen 4 Mechanics were much more promotive of its use and should be revived, but that's just my opinion I suppose.
  21. Arizona

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    Haven't played in a while, but have been poking at my BST formula periodically and I think it's in a pretty good form now. Physical bulk is the square root of the product of uninvested HP and uninvested Def, similarly for special bulk. Attack is the higher uninvested attacking stat multiplied by a factor related to the lower uninvested attacking stat. Speed is the highest uninvested speed in the tier (electrode's 336) multiplied by the speed percentile of the pokemon.

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    <th>Pokemon</th>
    <th>Physical Bulk</th>
    <th>Special Bulk</th>
    <th>Attacking</th>
    <th>Speed</th>
    <th>Total</th>
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    <tr><td>	Meloetta-P	</td><td>	271.4	</td><td>	254.5	</td><td>	292.0	</td><td>	322.2	</td><td>	1140.2	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Tornadus-T	</td><td>	235.8	</td><td>	254.1	</td><td>	295.2	</td><td>	318.2	</td><td>	1103.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Terrakion	</td><td>	264.1	</td><td>	264.1	</td><td>	294.0	</td><td>	273.2	</td><td>	1095.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Keldeo	</td><td>	264.1	</td><td>	264.1	</td><td>	294.0	</td><td>	273.2	</td><td>	1095.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Tornadus	</td><td>	229.4	</td><td>	242.1	</td><td>	327.2	</td><td>	296.7	</td><td>	1095.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Thundurus	</td><td>	229.4	</td><td>	242.1	</td><td>	327.2	</td><td>	296.7	</td><td>	1095.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Virizion	</td><td>	241.1	</td><td>	308.2	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	273.2	</td><td>	1081.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Cobalion	</td><td>	308.2	</td><td>	241.1	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	273.2	</td><td>	1081.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Landorus	</td><td>	262.5	</td><td>	250.0	</td><td>	327.2	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	1076.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Durant	</td><td>	279.7	</td><td>	224.9	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	284.9	</td><td>	1065.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Mew	</td><td>	283.7	</td><td>	283.7	</td><td>	283.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	1059.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Victini	</td><td>	283.7	</td><td>	283.7	</td><td>	283.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	1059.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Tauros	</td><td>	256.4	</td><td>	213.1	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	286.9	</td><td>	1052.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Watchog	</td><td>	252.4	</td><td>	252.4	</td><td>	271.2	</td><td>	273.2	</td><td>	1049.1	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Hydreigon	</td><td>	263.3	</td><td>	263.3	</td><td>	311.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	1046.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Genesect	</td><td>	252.9	</td><td>	252.9	</td><td>	331.2	</td><td>	205.0	</td><td>	1042.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Crobat	</td><td>	246.9	</td><td>	246.9	</td><td>	227.2	</td><td>	324.2	</td><td>	1045.2	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Scyther	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	286.9	</td><td>	1041.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Zebstrika	</td><td>	217.1	</td><td>	217.1	</td><td>	295.2	</td><td>	310.5	</td><td>	1039.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Espeon	</td><td>	205.6	</td><td>	247.5	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	286.9	</td><td>	1036.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Leavanny	</td><td>	241.4	</td><td>	267.4	</td><td>	275.2	</td><td>	252.0	</td><td>	1036.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Thundurus-T	</td><td>	229.4	</td><td>	242.1	</td><td>	327.2	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	1034.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Cryogonal	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	308.4	</td><td>	226.0	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	1033.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Jolteon	</td><td>	205.6	</td><td>	247.5	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	324.2	</td><td>	1033.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Sawk	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	1027.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Aerodactyl	</td><td>	223.5	</td><td>	236.6	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	324.2	</td><td>	1030.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Raticate	</td><td>	234.7	</td><td>	234.7	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	310.5	</td><td>	1025.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Alakazam	</td><td>	177.8	</td><td>	227.4	</td><td>	306.0	</td><td>	310.5	</td><td>	1021.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Leafeon	</td><td>	205.6	</td><td>	212.1	</td><td>	283.2	</td><td>	324.2	</td><td>	1025.2	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Persian	</td><td>	232.6	</td><td>	232.6	</td><td>	251.2	</td><td>	304.4	</td><td>	1020.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Simipour	</td><td>	275.2	</td><td>	281.0	</td><td>	227.2	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	1019.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Meloetta-A	</td><td>	254.5	</td><td>	315.6	</td><td>	292.0	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	1018.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Landorus-T	</td><td>	262.5	</td><td>	250.0	</td><td>	327.2	</td><td>	177.7	</td><td>	1017.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Archeops	</td><td>	219.8	</td><td>	219.8	</td><td>	306.0	</td><td>	271.5	</td><td>	1017.1	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Zapdos	</td><td>	257.1	</td><td>	263.3	</td><td>	287.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	1016.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Primeape	</td><td>	252.1	</td><td>	252.1	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	1015.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Scolipede 	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	213.1	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	300.7	</td><td>	1012.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Starmie	</td><td>	231.9	</td><td>	231.9	</td><td>	243.2	</td><td>	304.4	</td><td>	1011.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Haxorus	</td><td>	251.6	</td><td>	227.1	</td><td>	330.0	</td><td>	199.2	</td><td>	1007.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Serperior	</td><td>	246.4	</td><td>	254.2	</td><td>	255.2	</td><td>	252.0	</td><td>	1007.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Electrode	</td><td>	214.3	</td><td>	226.2	</td><td>	236.0	</td><td>	334.0	</td><td>	1010.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Gengar	</td><td>	201.8	</td><td>	220.3	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	286.9	</td><td>	1005.1	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Liepard	</td><td>	234.7	</td><td>	228.6	</td><td>	271.2	</td><td>	269.5	</td><td>	1004.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Pidgeot	</td><td>	241.3	</td><td>	241.3	</td><td>	271.2	</td><td>	250.0	</td><td>	1003.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Accelgor	</td><td>	208.9	</td><td>	208.9	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	332.0	</td><td>	1005.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Cinccino	</td><td>	213.1	</td><td>	213.1	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	320.2	</td><td>	1002.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Volcarona	</td><td>	227.2	</td><td>	276.6	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	998.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Krookodile	</td><td>	241.4	</td><td>	241.4	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	994.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Dodrio	</td><td>	209.4	</td><td>	222.4	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	286.9	</td><td>	994.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Keldeo-R	</td><td>	248.1	</td><td>	248.1	</td><td>	319.2	</td><td>	177.7	</td><td>	993.2	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Mienshao	</td><td>	205.6	</td><td>	236.3	</td><td>	295.2	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	992.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Excadrill	</td><td>	237.3	</td><td>	237.3	</td><td>	306.0	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	989.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Butterfree	</td><td>	216.7	</td><td>	255.0	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	983.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Zoroark	</td><td>	209.4	</td><td>	209.4	</td><td>	307.2	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	981.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Articuno	</td><td>	275.2	</td><td>	303.0	</td><td>	255.2	</td><td>	148.2	</td><td>	981.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Bellossom	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	283.4	</td><td>	243.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	980.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Moltres	</td><td>	263.3	</td><td>	257.1	</td><td>	303.2	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	979.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Porygon2*	</td><td>	317.4	</td><td>	338.8	</td><td>	258.4	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	978.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Galvantula	</td><td>	213.1	</td><td>	226.3	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	273.2	</td><td>	978.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Vileplume	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	250.7	</td><td>	276.8	</td><td>	205.0	</td><td>	977.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Dragonite	</td><td>	270.2	</td><td>	276.1	</td><td>	310.4	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	973.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Charizard	</td><td>	222.2	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	293.6	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	973.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Whimsicott	</td><td>	231.9	</td><td>	220.3	</td><td>	210.4	</td><td>	308.4	</td><td>	971.1	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Beedrill	</td><td>	255.0	</td><td>	216.7	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	966.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Arcanine	</td><td>	250.8	</td><td>	250.8	</td><td>	279.2	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	964.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Alomomola	</td><td>	303.8	</td><td>	253.1	</td><td>	196.0	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	961.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Hitmonlee	</td><td>	223.3	</td><td>	305.6	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	154.2	</td><td>	959.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Gyarados	</td><td>	253.4	</td><td>	279.5	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	138.4	</td><td>	957.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Tentacruel	</td><td>	230.8	</td><td>	297.7	</td><td>	219.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	956.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Rapidash	</td><td>	218.4	</td><td>	230.5	</td><td>	251.2	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	955.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Beartic	</td><td>	279.2	</td><td>	272.7	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	954.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Darmanitan-Z	</td><td>	293.8	</td><td>	293.8	</td><td>	316.0	</td><td>	50.7	</td><td>	954.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Electivire	</td><td>	222.4	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	302.0	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	952.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Darmanitan	</td><td>	226.4	</td><td>	226.4	</td><td>	316.0	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	952.2	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Arbok	</td><td>	250.7	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	250.0	</td><td>	202.9	</td><td>	948.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Flareon	</td><td>	205.6	</td><td>	263.4	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	948.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Sawsbuck	</td><td>	209.4	</td><td>	234.7	</td><td>	264.0	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	944.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Simisage	</td><td>	217.1	</td><td>	217.1	</td><td>	271.2	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	941.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Simisear	</td><td>	217.1	</td><td>	217.1	</td><td>	271.2	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	941.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Vanilluxe	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	260.8	</td><td>	275.2	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	941.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Mr. Mime	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	298.5	</td><td>	236.0	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	939.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Nidoking	</td><td>	255.8	</td><td>	255.8	</td><td>	240.0	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	935.1	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Kangaskhan	</td><td>	262.3	</td><td>	262.3	</td><td>	226.0	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	934.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Dugtrio	</td><td>	181.0	</td><td>	206.0	</td><td>	236.0	</td><td>	310.5	</td><td>	933.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Marowak*	</td><td>	272.9	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	392.0	</td><td>	25.2	</td><td>	935.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Porygon-Z	</td><td>	222.4	</td><td>	228.6	</td><td>	326.0	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	933.2	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Kingdra	</td><td>	256.4	</td><td>	256.4	</td><td>	271.2	</td><td>	148.2	</td><td>	932.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Magmortar	</td><td>	222.4	</td><td>	256.4	</td><td>	306.0	</td><td>	146.5	</td><td>	931.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Venusaur	</td><td>	256.8	</td><td>	270.9	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	142.5	</td><td>	929.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Parasect	</td><td>	296.7	</td><td>	267.4	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	927.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Kingler	</td><td>	268.2	</td><td>	219.8	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	142.5	</td><td>	926.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Glaceon	</td><td>	212.1	</td><td>	205.6	</td><td>	323.2	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	924.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Raichu	</td><td>	224.5	</td><td>	230.5	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	923.2	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Braviary	</td><td>	251.8	</td><td>	237.9	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	922.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Hitmonchan	</td><td>	260.9	</td><td>	299.8	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	113.2	</td><td>	919.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Ninetales	</td><td>	236.6	</td><td>	266.5	</td><td>	207.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	919.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Golduck	</td><td>	240.4	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	283.2	</td><td>	148.2	</td><td>	914.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Sigilyph	</td><td>	236.3	</td><td>	236.3	</td><td>	242.0	</td><td>	199.2	</td><td>	913.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Nidoqueen	</td><td>	267.4	</td><td>	267.4	</td><td>	240.0	</td><td>	138.4	</td><td>	913.2	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Bouffalant	</td><td>	285.6	</td><td>	285.6	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	50.7	</td><td>	908.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Pinsir	</td><td>	266.5	</td><td>	255.0	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	109.2	</td><td>	906.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Emboar	</td><td>	288.1	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	282.0	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	906.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Rhyperior	</td><td>	331.4	</td><td>	232.7	</td><td>	316.0	</td><td>	25.2	</td><td>	905.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Lilligant	</td><td>	238.8	</td><td>	238.8	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	899.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Swoobat	</td><td>	200.4	</td><td>	200.4	</td><td>	196.0	</td><td>	302.7	</td><td>	899.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Seismitoad	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	107.2	</td><td>	898.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Hypno	</td><td>	263.4	</td><td>	282.4	</td><td>	232.0	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	894.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Samurott	</td><td>	261.1	</td><td>	241.4	</td><td>	273.6	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	893.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Lapras	</td><td>	280.3	</td><td>	301.0	</td><td>	247.2	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	892.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Stoutland	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	891.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Vaporeon	</td><td>	250.1	</td><td>	301.0	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	82.0	</td><td>	889.1	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Chandelure	</td><td>	237.4	</td><td>	237.4	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	887.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Clefable	</td><td>	272.2	</td><td>	334.6	</td><td>	216.0	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	887.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Wigglytuff	</td><td>	334.6	</td><td>	272.2	</td><td>	216.0	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	887.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Mandibuzz	</td><td>	298.0	</td><td>	285.6	</td><td>	183.2	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	883.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Poliwrath	</td><td>	269.3	</td><td>	250.8	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	880.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Unfezant	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	209.6	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	181.4	</td><td>	880.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Magnezone	</td><td>	273.4	</td><td>	246.4	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	879.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Klinklang	</td><td>	263.5	</td><td>	231.9	</td><td>	227.2	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	878.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Blastoise	</td><td>	288.4	</td><td>	288.4	</td><td>	236.8	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	877.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Snorlax	</td><td>	276.6	</td><td>	343.5	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	881.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Umbreon	</td><td>	291.1	</td><td>	313.0	</td><td>	191.2	</td><td>	82.0	</td><td>	877.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Blissey	</td><td>	190.9	</td><td>	446.3	</td><td>	216.0	</td><td>	25.2	</td><td>	878.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Conkeldurr	</td><td>	281.6	</td><td>	241.4	</td><td>	316.0	</td><td>	39.0	</td><td>	878.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Bisharp	</td><td>	273.4	</td><td>	222.4	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	873.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Machamp	</td><td>	258.5	</td><td>	265.0	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	50.7	</td><td>	870.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Scizor	</td><td>	257.5	</td><td>	234.7	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	82.0	</td><td>	870.2	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Garbodor	</td><td>	270.9	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	247.2	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	869.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Jynx	</td><td>	169.5	</td><td>	247.5	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	866.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Gigalith	</td><td>	303.4	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	306.0	</td><td>	1.7	</td><td>	870.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Swanna	</td><td>	236.3	</td><td>	245.8	</td><td>	268.0	</td><td>	115.2	</td><td>	865.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Pikachu*	</td><td>	142.3	</td><td>	156.4	</td><td>	410.3	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	865.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Sandslash	</td><td>	266.5	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	109.2	</td><td>	864.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Weezing	</td><td>	323.4	</td><td>	254.7	</td><td>	243.2	</td><td>	42.7	</td><td>	864.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Carracosta	</td><td>	285.5	</td><td>	205.4	</td><td>	281.6	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	864.2	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Tangrowth	</td><td>	312.3	</td><td>	215.4	</td><td>	291.2	</td><td>	42.7	</td><td>	861.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Victreebel	</td><td>	223.5	</td><td>	216.7	</td><td>	299.2	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	856.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Eelektross	</td><td>	246.9	</td><td>	246.9	</td><td>	319.2	</td><td>	42.7	</td><td>	855.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Exeggutor	</td><td>	263.3	</td><td>	263.3	</td><td>	304.8	</td><td>	25.2	</td><td>	856.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Seaking	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	89.7	</td><td>	853.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Golurk	</td><td>	272.9	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	284.0	</td><td>	50.7	</td><td>	852.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Escavalier	</td><td>	262.9	</td><td>	262.9	</td><td>	306.0	</td><td>	21.2	</td><td>	853.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Kabutops	</td><td>	253.4	</td><td>	214.3	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	850.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Throh	</td><td>	271.4	</td><td>	295.5	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	39.0	</td><td>	851.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Gothitelle	</td><td>	252.0	</td><td>	268.2	</td><td>	236.0	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	847.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Politoed	</td><td>	244.3	</td><td>	275.2	</td><td>	235.2	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	846.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Drifblim	</td><td>	233.8	</td><td>	252.0	</td><td>	243.2	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	846.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Chansey*	</td><td>	210.3	</td><td>	486.3	</td><td>	106.0	</td><td>	42.7	</td><td>	845.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Dewgong	</td><td>	253.1	</td><td>	303.4	</td><td>	223.2	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	843.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Fearow	</td><td>	212.1	</td><td>	206.9	</td><td>	216.0	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	844.0	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Muk	</td><td>	281.6	</td><td>	262.3	</td><td>	263.2	</td><td>	37.0	</td><td>	844.1	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Golem	</td><td>	308.2	</td><td>	247.0	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	25.2	</td><td>	836.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Cloyster	</td><td>	308.9	</td><td>	174.3	</td><td>	255.2	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	830.1	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Musharna	</td><td>	277.2	</td><td>	302.9	</td><td>	250.0	</td><td>	3.7	</td><td>	833.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Lickilicky	</td><td>	291.9	</td><td>	291.9	</td><td>	239.2	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	828.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Omastar	</td><td>	283.5	</td><td>	222.4	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	50.7	</td><td>	822.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Heatmor	</td><td>	228.6	</td><td>	228.6	</td><td>	282.4	</td><td>	82.0	</td><td>	821.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Reuniclus	</td><td>	259.1	</td><td>	272.7	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	823.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Crustle	</td><td>	283.5	</td><td>	257.5	</td><td>	226.0	</td><td>	50.7	</td><td>	817.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Druddigon	</td><td>	260.8	</td><td>	260.8	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	21.2	</td><td>	818.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Scrafty	</td><td>	268.5	</td><td>	268.5	</td><td>	216.0	</td><td>	62.5	</td><td>	815.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Venomoth	</td><td>	209.4	</td><td>	228.6	</td><td>	219.2	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	813.4	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Jellicent	</td><td>	251.8	</td><td>	289.6	</td><td>	207.2	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	812.9	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Steelix	</td><td>	356.2	</td><td>	238.8	</td><td>	206.0	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	806.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Hitmontop	</td><td>	233.4	</td><td>	248.4	</td><td>	226.0	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	799.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Beheeyem	</td><td>	232.6	</td><td>	256.4	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	25.2	</td><td>	800.3	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Ferrothorn	</td><td>	293.5	</td><td>	278.3	</td><td>	224.0	</td><td>	0.0	</td><td>	795.8	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Stunfisk	</td><td>	270.6	</td><td>	289.8	</td><td>	213.6	</td><td>	19.5	</td><td>	793.5	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Slowking	</td><td>	254.7	</td><td>	291.1	</td><td>	243.2	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	794.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Slowbro	</td><td>	291.1	</td><td>	254.7	</td><td>	243.2	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	794.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Amoonguss	</td><td>	254.8	</td><td>	268.9	</td><td>	247.2	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	776.7	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Cofagrigus	</td><td>	289.5	</td><td>	251.4	</td><td>	226.0	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	772.6	</td></tr>
    <tr><td>	Ditto	</td><td>	185.6	</td><td>	185.6	</td><td>	158.4	</td><td>	42.0	</td><td>	571.6	</td></tr>
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    1. 1140.2 Meloetta-P
    2. 1103.4 Tornadus-T
    3. 1095.4 Terrakion
    4. 1095.4 Keldeo
    5. 1095.4 Tornadus
    6. 1095.4 Thundurus
    7. 1081.6 Virizion
    8. 1081.6 Cobalion
    9. 1076.0 Landorus
    10. 1065.6 Durant
    11. 1059.6 Mew
    12. 1059.6 Victini
    13. 1052.5 Tauros
    14. 1049.1 Watchog
    15. 1046.8 Hydreigon
    16. 1042.0 Genesect
    17. 1045.2 Crobat
    18. 1041.0 Scyther
    19. 1039.9 Zebstrika
    20. 1036.0 Espeon
    21. 1036.0 Leavanny
    22. 1034.9 Thundurus-T
    23. 1033.0 Cryogonal
    24. 1033.3 Jolteon
    25. 1027.5 Sawk
    26. 1030.4 Aerodactyl
    27. 1025.8 Raticate
    28. 1021.7 Alakazam
    29. 1025.2 Leafeon
    30. 1020.9 Persian
    31. 1019.7 Simipour
    32. 1018.3 Meloetta-A
    33. 1017.5 Landorus-T
    34. 1017.1 Archeops
    35. 1016.7 Zapdos
    36. 1015.8 Primeape
    37. 1012.7 Scolipede
    38. 1011.4 Starmie
    39. 1007.9 Haxorus
    40. 1007.8 Serperior
    41. 1010.5 Electrode
    42. 1005.1 Gengar
    43. 1004.0 Liepard
    44. 1003.7 Pidgeot
    45. 1005.8 Accelgor
    46. 1002.3 Cinccino
    47. 998.8 Volcarona
    48. 994.9 Krookodile
    49. 994.7 Dodrio
    50. 993.2 Keldeo-R
    51. 992.8 Mienshao
    52. 989.6 Excadrill
    53. 983.4 Butterfree
    54. 981.6 Zoroark
    55. 981.6 Articuno
    56. 980.4 Bellossom
    57. 979.9 Moltres
    58. 978.8 Porygon2*
    59. 978.5 Galvantula
    60. 977.3 Vileplume
    61. 973.6 Dragonite
    62. 973.8 Charizard
    63. 971.1 Whimsicott
    64. 966.7 Beedrill
    65. 964.3 Arcanine
    66. 961.9 Alomomola
    67. 959.0 Hitmonlee
    68. 957.3 Gyarados
    69. 956.7 Tentacruel
    70. 955.8 Rapidash
    71. 954.9 Beartic
    72. 954.4 Darmanitan-Z
    73. 952.7 Electivire
    74. 952.2 Darmanitan
    75. 948.5 Arbok
    76. 948.5 Flareon
    77. 944.3 Sawsbuck
    78. 941.7 Simisage
    79. 941.7 Simisear
    80. 941.3 Vanilluxe
    81. 939.7 Mr. Mime
    82. 935.1 Nidoking
    83. 934.0 Kangaskhan
    84. 933.5 Dugtrio
    85. 935.0 Marowak*
    86. 933.2 Porygon-Z
    87. 932.3 Kingdra
    88. 931.4 Magmortar
    89. 929.4 Venusaur
    90. 927.0 Parasect
    91. 926.5 Kingler
    92. 924.4 Glaceon
    93. 923.2 Raichu
    94. 922.0 Braviary
    95. 919.9 Hitmonchan
    96. 919.3 Ninetales
    97. 914.7 Golduck
    98. 913.9 Sigilyph
    99. 913.2 Nidoqueen
    100. 908.0 Bouffalant
    101. 906.7 Pinsir
    102. 906.7 Emboar
    103. 905.3 Rhyperior
    104. 899.9 Lilligant
    105. 899.5 Swoobat
    106. 898.4 Seismitoad
    107. 894.7 Hypno
    108. 893.0 Samurott
    109. 892.8 Lapras
    110. 891.3 Stoutland
    111. 889.1 Vaporeon
    112. 887.8 Chandelure
    113. 887.0 Clefable
    114. 887.0 Wigglytuff
    115. 883.8 Mandibuzz
    116. 880.4 Poliwrath
    117. 880.0 Unfezant
    118. 879.9 Magnezone
    119. 878.8 Klinklang
    120. 877.9 Blastoise
    121. 881.9 Snorlax
    122. 877.3 Umbreon
    123. 878.5 Blissey
    124. 878.0 Conkeldurr
    125. 873.5 Bisharp
    126. 870.3 Machamp
    127. 870.2 Scizor
    128. 869.0 Garbodor
    129. 866.4 Jynx
    130. 870.3 Gigalith
    131. 865.4 Swanna
    132. 865.3 Pikachu*
    133. 864.6 Sandslash
    134. 864.0 Weezing
    135. 864.2 Carracosta
    136. 861.5 Tangrowth
    137. 856.4 Victreebel
    138. 855.7 Eelektross
    139. 856.6 Exeggutor
    140. 853.7 Seaking
    141. 852.5 Golurk
    142. 853.0 Escavalier
    143. 850.6 Kabutops
    144. 851.8 Throh
    145. 847.9 Gothitelle
    146. 846.5 Politoed
    147. 846.0 Drifblim
    148. 845.3 Chansey*
    149. 843.9 Dewgong
    150. 844.0 Fearow
    151. 844.1 Muk
    152. 836.4 Golem
    153. 830.1 Cloyster
    154. 833.8 Musharna
    155. 828.7 Lickilicky
    156. 822.6 Omastar
    157. 821.5 Heatmor
    158. 823.5 Reuniclus
    159. 817.7 Crustle
    160. 818.8 Druddigon
    161. 815.5 Scrafty
    162. 813.4 Venomoth
    163. 812.9 Jellicent
    164. 806.7 Steelix
    165. 799.5 Hitmontop
    166. 800.3 Beheeyem
    167. 795.8 Ferrothorn
    168. 793.5 Stunfisk
    169. 794.7 Slowking
    170. 794.7 Slowbro
    171. 776.7 Amoonguss
    172. 772.6 Cofagrigus
    173. 571.6 Ditto
  22. Dusk209

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    Alright, I'm reviving this thread. The first post will explain everything, but to put it shortly I've redone the mod and its a lot different now. As a warning, though, there aren't many people who go on the server nowadays so it might take a while to regain the playerbase.
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    Yay this is finally up. Now, this metagame has been on for a couple of months before the thread got changed, so I'm gona list some things to help new people out:
    1. Pack a counter for suicune, it didn't appear to get much, but access to reliable recovery allows it to run Crocune much more effectively, and wall almost everything.
    2. Hail is a much more major threat, and makes common use of pokemon such as mamoswine, frosslass, and raikou. Don't discount it when teambuilding; either using or preparing for.
    3. Quick powder is one of the most useful items in the game, and can make or break a pokemon, due to it's ability to jump speed tiers. Be sure to look out for this when running offense.
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    Just wanted to point out that the classic CroCune is a set of Rest, Sleep Talk, Calm Mind, and Surf (or Scald), and access to recovery doesn't change this set at all.
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    I imagine what he's getting at is that Suicune can now run a similar set with Recover over RestTalk, thus freeing up another moveslot.

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