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Smogon Shoddy Server Statistics - January 2009

Discussion in 'Pokémetrics' started by DougJustDoug, Feb 6, 2009.

  1. eric the espeon

    eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood
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    Aug 7, 2007
    NFEs in new UU

    I have a bit of time, and am interested in NFEs so I went through the New UU stats and picked out the more common NFEs.

    27 | Chansey | 5624 | 6.44%
    MiniBliss. It can't use the elemental attacks any more with its rubbish SpA, but Seismic Toss replaces it well enough. Very useful to keep special certain threats in check.

    59 | Porygon2 | 2787 | 3.19

    Was a full evolution in previous gens, was BL before. Whats interesting about it is that in OU it is 47th and on 3.62% of teams. As has been said before this is largely due the the lack of good traceable abilitys in UU compared to OU.
    The differences in how they are used are, UU has more Download P2's (9% against only 2%), less leftovers (85%/95%), significantly less Bold nature (53%/84%) and more Modest or Quiet natures, overall more offensive EV spreads, and slightly more diversity in attacks. My take on this is that some people are using P2 offensively in UU, where as in OU PZ does it better. Also possibly UU needs less defences to take the more common hits.

    65 | Scyther | 2527 | 2.9%
    Scyther barely counts as a NFE, it was alowed in UU before the addition of most and is a decent sweeper I suppose.

    76 | Magneton | 2031 | 2.33
    The first of the NFEs that has never had much use in any DP metagame. Unlike its evolution in OU, Magneton has trouble trapping many of the most common UU steel types. A large proportion of both Registeel and Steelix carry Earthquake, and Magneton lacks the power to 1KO either of them. This seems to have forced almost half of Magneton to carry Magnet Rise, and made its most common item Leftovers unlike Magnezone's favourite: Choice Scarf.

    Hidden Power Fire is also quite common at 37% as its best option against both of the steels it intends to trap, with the next most common being Ground (24%), Ice (16%), and Grass (14%). Its also nice to see 100% of Mags in UU running Magnet Pull, in OU 218 times they used Sturdy..

    83 | Rhydon | 1706 | 1.95%
    Rnyhorn is used pretty much the same way as Rhyperior, the top 6 moves are in exactly the same order. Items are similar (a few more CBDon), and Ice moves are less needed in UU. Not that much to say here.

    90 | Hippopotas | 1543 | 1.77%
    16 | Hippopotas | 1255 | 1.44%

    Hippopotas is another interesting case, it has never been viable in any competitive metagame (bar LC) and is used almost entirely as a support Pokemon. Its stats and pretty much everything about it are well below average so many people think of it as simple a liability to a team. Here is how it is used:
    Item: 43% Leftovers, 42% Focus Sash, 12% Choice Band.
    Interesting to see the balance between Sash and Leftovers, obviously from the players experience it often survives long enough for the slow healing of Leftovers to outweigh the one of survival from Sash.
    EVs: A majority max HP and Def, while a few (25%) go for Max Attack instead of Defence.

    As the stats show most of Hippo's are leads, and most have SR. Other common attacks are EQ, Slack Off, Roar, Protect and Toxic. It seems to try to do as much damage as possible through indirect means.

    Its also nice to note that a NFE got more use than Articuno, Entei, Regigigigwhatever, Sheddy or Shuckle.

    The next ones got very little use, I'll just give a list:
    109 | Pikachu | 1107 | 1.27%
    125 | Gligar | 832 | 0.95%
    130 | Wynaut | 739 | 0.85% (now banned, lol)
    132 | Sneasel | 645 | 0.74%
    135 | Gabite | 597 | 0.68 (second best dragon in UU, used more than Wailord)
    138 | Trapinch | 550 | 0.63
    Supprised this is not more common, its one of the best (read: only) trappers in UU.
    141 | Haunter | 482 | 0.55
    Hardly worse then Gengar, ok the speed drop is bad but other than that.. and yet its this low?
    146 | Piloswine | 407 | 0.47
    30 less base attack/speed and 10 less HP means a lot.
    151 | Kadabra | 316 | 0.36
    Now this is a bit odd. Other that drops to its already lol defences and attack, it lost 15 SpA and 15 Spe. It still has 120/105 special sweeping stats. Maybe its just outclassed by Espeon?

    And thats enough.
    Anyway it will be interesting to see if these newly viable NFEs get an analysis.
  2. 1059860


    Jan 20, 2008
    Theorymon: Even if Lugia gets encored on Whirlwind, he can just Whirlwind the next turn; it's not like it must switch, so you still can't risk of set-ups but only best choice is for straight-attacking.

    And can someone still put up an explanation why is Ivysaur ranked #50 on the Suspect Ladder? Venusaur is only #64.
  3. umbreonleader


    Dec 26, 2008
    Metagross is #1 lead the month after I start using him. Coincidence? I think not! Also, some things to notice.
    43: Dragonite
    The original dragon gets no love, although he DOES have some advantages over mence, most notably ice beam, thunderbolt, superpower and agility, which makes him a very effective mixed sweeper.
    52: Umbreon
    One of the eeveelutions is getting close to being OU. My influence on shoddy is amazing! MUAHAHAHAHA
  4. Jibaku

    Jibaku RIP dice
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    Dec 13, 2005
    No. It works like this
    Wobb swaps in on Lugia's Reflect/Roost
    Now Lugia has no options (unless it has Toxic).

    Lugia's Whirlwind has negative priority, and therefore Wobb moves first and Encores the PREVIOUS move used, basically keeping Lugia from being able to Whirlwind
  5. Sixonesix

    is a Past SPL Champion

    Dec 2, 2007
    Hohoho-ly shit Doug, this is unbelievable, thank you so much!
  6. Chou Toshio

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    Aug 16, 2007
    Doug, you are amazing. Thanks so much! (It's ok to post brainless appreciation posts like this, right?)


    Apr 26, 2006
    lol. I've just read that 98% of Walrein are used in conjunction with Abomasnow in UU. To be honest, I expected it to be higher.
  8. petrie911


    Aug 27, 2005
    Both of them don't have Focus Blast. This severly hurts their type coverage by making them unable to hit Steels hard. And by Steels, I mean Registeel, whose 150 base sdef will wall them all day. The best they can do is trick Scarfs/Specs onto said Steels, but Choicing them is sort of asking to get Pursuited. Mismagius does levitating Ghost better, and Espeon does fast, hard-hitting Psychic better. There's no reason to use either.
  9. Theorymon

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    Jan 14, 2009
    Thanks to Whirlwinds negitive priority, Wobbuffet encores the move used before it, which is most commonly ether Reflect or Roost.

    Edit:Beaten by Jibaku, lol
  10. The Koopinator

    The Koopinator

    Dec 30, 2008
    I think it's intersesting Rhyperior is falling while his fellow two new OUs, Flygon and Empoleon are moving on up. Porygon2, who looked to be falling to NU now might see OU. And Gengar is finally out of the Top 10. Cool month, in particular I'm surprised to see two Pokemon break 100,000.

    Much thanks, Doug. I might say more stuff when I'm done digging in this fun pile of statistics.
  11. eric the espeon

    eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood
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    Aug 7, 2007
    Oh, I didn't notice they lost any moves. I guess that explains it pretty well then.
    Maybe in NU....
  12. 1059860


    Jan 20, 2008
    Oh right. I missed that. Then this will work on Giratina as well (special Giratinas).
  13. BRShooter


    Nov 26, 2008
    How Donphan always manages to get 50th place is beyond me...
  14. Legacy Raider

    Legacy Raider sharpening his claws, slowly
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    May 1, 2008
    Thanks a ton for this Doug, I've been waiting for this so eagerly for goodness knows how long. We now have UU stats! I'm gonna get a hot drink then spend the evening perusing through the numbers behind this new metagame =).

    Once again, thanks so much!
  15. hsb39


    Oct 3, 2008
    Not with Latias around, poor Apes going to move out of the top ten with that counter prominent.

    I'm guessing Latias will hit #1, if not just because people will want to test it (apart from those who did Suspect Testing).
  16. Bologo

    Bologo Have fun with birds and bees.
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    May 7, 2006
    First off, thank you for the stats Doug. You are a very hard worker, and your commitment to the site is amazing. Keep up the good work man.

    Now, what I'd like to here is look at the top 50 of UU, and I want to see how many of the original UUs stayed in there, and how many were originally BLs. For the pokemon that were in old UU, I'll say UU, and the old BLs I'll say BL. NFE will count as BL for the purposes of this post since they weren't allowed in UU before. I know that sounds obvious, but I don't want anyone misunderstanding my post saying that I'm trying to tier pokemon.

    Raikou BL
    Registeel BL
    Shaymin BL
    Staraptor BL
    Milotic BL
    Steelix UU
    Froslass UU
    Roserade BL
    Clefable UU
    Gallade BL
    Spiritomb BL
    Mismagius BL
    Claydol UU
    Crobat BL
    Blaziken BL
    Azumarill BL
    Hitmontop UU
    Slowbro BL
    Ambipom BL
    Uxie BL
    Arcanine BL
    Drapion UU
    Abomasnow BL
    Feraligatr BL
    Nidoqueen UU
    Torterra BL
    Chansey BL
    Typhlosion BL
    Hariyama BL
    Walrein UU
    Houndoom BL
    Moltres BL
    Rotom UU
    Ludicolo BL
    Honchkrow BL
    Umbreon BL
    Venusaur UU
    Blastoise UU
    Swellow UU
    Absol UU
    Espeon BL
    Toxicroak UU
    Glaceon UU
    Magmortar BL
    Sceptile BL
    Miltank UU
    Kabutops UU
    Lanturn UU
    Medicham BL
    Regirock BL

    These are our top 50 UUs.

    Originally BL - 31

    Originally UU
    - 19

    Personally, I don't find that to be bad. A lot of the popular old UUs stayed in the top 50, which disproves the theory that when all of the BLs got brought down to UU, that the game would just be completely dominated by originally BL pokemon.
  17. chenman333


    Aug 26, 2008
    Wtf is with the Deo-e leads in Ubers? They basically suck now...

    And I think we all need to point to panamaxis for all those frickin Metagross leads. I know I tried it out right after using him :D
  18. Chou Toshio

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    Aug 16, 2007
    I can't wait to see X-Act's Standard lists come out, especially one for Standard UU.
  19. Polis4rule


    Jun 21, 2008
    Milo is currently 51st >.<
  20. General Tso

    General Tso

    Jun 2, 2007
    Wow thanks Doug, this is awesome. I just love me some numbers.

    Nice to see Infernape getting some love <3 but he's going to get raped by Latias =( Now I have to go fix my team...

    P2 also getting some love. One of the more underrated pokemon in OU. Just keep on rising!
  21. Legend of Elune

    Legend of Elune

    Jan 7, 2009
    Anyone mind giving me a list of the new OU pokemon and the ones that aren't OU anymore?

  22. RBG

    RBG Got a long list of ex-lovers, they'll tell you I'm insane.
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    Jan 27, 2008
    The OU list doesn't change again until April
  23. Bad Ass

    Bad Ass Serious as a heart attack!!
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    Jan 5, 2009
    I hope you realize that Magneton can run a +SpA nature due to base 70 speed, therefore having more SpA than Magnezone. ThugJustThug <3
  24. Umbreon Dan

    Umbreon Dan 〉λ=
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    Oct 19, 2008
    What happened to Zapdos? Ugh.
    I can't believe Flygon. As Veedrock put it,

    Thanks a ton, Mr. Best Overall Smogoner! This is excellent!
  25. Gaborik


    Jun 8, 2008
    Good stuff, the new teammate usage statistics are interesting to look at for sure. (Everything weak to Fire has Heatran as a top partner in crime)

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