San_Pellegrino
the eternal dreamer
flygon has been more common than dragonite
Yet Dragonite will be at top 11, but not Flygon.flygon has been more common than dragonite
Yeah it seems that a lot of people's teams are Zapdos weak, resulting in its usage going up. Heatran, Starmie, Shaymin, Dragonite, Flygon and possibly Vaporeon's usage will go up. (in my opinion) all these lovely F/W/G cores <3GO Blissey GO!
Blissey is great now, Spreads status, beats 99% of special attackers, etc.
Also, is there a lot of Zapdos on the ladder or is it me? Seems like an awful lot of Zapdos (which is bad, as my team is Zap weak!!).
Heatran will be way higher than 24%. Every other team runs a frickin Heatran/Shaymin/Suicune core, and if they don't, their teams most likely started with it and kept Heatran after some changes.I'd say 24%.
And Dragonite at top 11.
You don't need to look at the suspect ladder stats....just play considerably on the standard ladder. It doesn't take long to see the trends.You guys are forgetting Salamence was only removed from the ladder for about a third of the month, so accurate changes to the metagame won't be until August stats. And 30% for Heatran is insane, don't let the suspect ladder stats fool you, I really doubt it will ever top 25%.
I would agree with you, I don't think heatran will surge from 22% to well over 30%. I would reckon may be around 25 or 26%. As with Dragonite, may be in the top 15, It takes a bit of time for the metagame to really change.I'd say 24%.
And Dragonite at top 11.
Yes but Heatran did all of this prior to Salamence, was just as good of a pokemon and just as easy to fit on teams. Other than hype for the F/W/G core, I'm really not seeing how Mence's removal has enough impact for such a huge surge in Heatran usage, especially when people are just running Dragonite who outspeeds and OHKOs in the same fashion (and even has an easier time switching in).You don't need to look at the suspect ladder stats....just play considerably on the standard ladder. It doesn't take long to see the trends.
There is little reason not to run Heatran, it can be customized to pretty much whatever you want and the resistances it brings are invaluable. People are either using Heatran, or taking advantage of its presence as much as they can.
Gyarados lure, Swampert trapper, Resttalker for a stall team, check to alot of threats with a Scarf, effective lead, the list could go on.
Well, Salamence's removal is actually the reason why Heatran's usage has increased. Platinum is what caused Heatran usage to decrease mainly because of Scizor getting Bullet Punch. Scarf Heatran was the most used revenge killer in the early days of DP IIRC and the fact that it cannot take down Salamence after a DD (another threat that was introduced with Platinum) is another reason why I think it's usage decreased. With Salamence banned, most players will not feel the need to pack as many Steel- types onto their teams and will opt for a F(Heatran)/W/G core. As for Dragonite, it is completely outclassed by Salamence because of it's higher Speed, higer SpAtk and Intimidate as an ability, so the increase in Heatran usage wasn't a huge surprise, at least in my opinion.Yes but Heatran did all of this prior to Salamence, was just as good of a pokemon and just as easy to fit on teams. Other than hype for the F/W/G core, I'm really not seeing how Mence's removal has enough impact for such a huge surge in Heatran usage, especially when people are just running Dragonite who outspeeds and OHKOs in the same fashion (and even has an easier time switching in).
Whilst this is mostly true, a significant amount of Heatran sets are hard countered by Dragonite whereas they could muscle their way through Salamence with the help of Stealth Rock. I can't see how Salamence would directly contribute much to a rise in Heatran usage, if at all.As for Dragonite, it is completely outclassed by Salamence because of it's higher Speed, higer SpAtk and Intimidate as an ability, so the increase in Heatran usage wasn't a huge surprise, at least in my opinion.
Salamence's ban will play some part in its usage increasing of course, but what I'm saying is that it's not enough to raise Heatran usage from 22% > 30% like some people were suggesting. What I meant with Dragonite is that it's simply replacing Salamence in many ways and threatens Heatran just as much (if not more) as Ghost said, so the metagame hasn't changed drastically for Heatran in that regard.Well, Salamence's removal is actually the reason why Heatran's usage has increased. Platinum is what caused Heatran usage to decrease mainly because of Scizor getting Bullet Punch. Scarf Heatran was the most used revenge killer in the early days of DP IIRC and the fact that it cannot take down Salamence after a DD (another threat that was introduced with Platinum) is another reason why I think it's usage decreased. With Salamence banned, most players will not feel the need to pack as many Steel- types onto their teams and will opt for a F(Heatran)/W/G core. As for Dragonite, it is completely outclassed by Salamence because of it's higher Speed, higer SpAtk and Intimidate as an ability, so the increase in Heatran usage wasn't a huge surprise, at least in my opinion.
If anything, it's the increase in Grass/Fire/Water cores (Fire Blast, Earth Power, HP Grass/Electric/Toxic/Explosion) and lack of Latias that is promoting Heatran usage.Salamence's ban will play some part in its usage increasing of course, but what I'm saying is that it's not enough to raise Heatran usage from 22% > 30% like some people were suggesting. What I meant with Dragonite is that it's simply replacing Salamence in many ways and threatens Heatran just as much (if not more) as Ghost said, so the metagame hasn't changed drastically for Heatran in that regard.
If anything it's the other way around. People have a Heatran and a bulky water on their team and say "hey 2/3 of a FWG core, let's get some Celebi action in here."If anything, it's the increase in Grass/Fire/Water cores (Fire Blast, Earth Power, HP Grass/Electric/Toxic/Explosion) and lack of Latias that is promoting Heatran usage.