It's a great Klinklang for dealing with Snover, Glaceon, and Escavalier. Not so much Walrein lol... Klinklang never beats a set-up Walrein. There's this thing called Roar. Surf hurts too. Super Fang. Even Blizzard wears me down to the point Klinklang becomes less useful and my team relied on it so much to deal with other Hail threats too. Regardless, my team shouldn't have been doing well against Hail Stall. It did fine against Hail Offense, which is less threatening IMO (and why Snow Warning doesn't deserve the boot) and, in my laddering, more common. If I had faced Hail Stall every match, I'd have had a 60-40 record at best. And I'm a good player. I disagree that the other Ice Body abusers are nearly as threatening as Walrein simply due to the lower bulk and less advantageous typing (yes, even factoring in their speed.) I suppose Dewgong could be a similar issue, though I've never faced one. All in all, I can support a complex ban, I guess. But anything that limits Hail Offense is going too far. BlizzSpam really isn't too problematic.