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Gen 5 The RU Viability Ranking Thread

Discussion in 'Ruins of Alph' started by Molk, Oct 5, 2012.

  1. ScraftyIsTheBest

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    I'll chime in and give what I think should be high, mid, and low B-Rankers.

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    Aerodactyl, Aggron, Amoonguss, Bouffalant, Braviary, Crustle, Golurk, Hitmonlee, Lanturn, Mesprit, Rhydon, Roselia, Snover, Steelix

    [​IMG] Aerodactyl is a very good speedy Stealth Rocker, and is a pretty good lead. It also has very good speed and decent coverage to boot, which is also a plus. Aerodactyl has decent power, and its Speed is outpaced only by the mighty Accelgor, so it can deal quick damage to things. That said, it's frail, and sometimes it may not hit hard enough, therefore, high B is pretty good for it.

    [​IMG]Aggron is, simply put, one hell of a hard hitter. His CB boosted Head Smash coming off of that spiked head is going to bring a shitload of pain to like...everything. Even if the target manages to survive the hit, they will be sure to take a lot of damage, and almost nothing can avoid a 2HKO. It can run a utility role, which is an okay set, while an RP set can definitely sweep. Its Steel typing is very good as well, and grants it some very good resistances, but also some crippling weaknesses. Still, Aggron is one of the scariest hard-hitters and Top B Rank is good; it's a force to be reckoned with.

    [​IMG]Bouffalant is a powerful and useful Pokemon. His 110 Attack and Head Charge already make him a good hard hitter, but he also has Sap Sipper, making him a very good switch-in to threats such as Sceptile, Rotom-C, Lilligant, and Tangrowth (and Whimsicott, lol). The attack boost from it also makes him even more powerful and can smash a lot of shit with SubSD, and you'll be sure to have to sack at least two of your Pokemon in the process. The CB set is also very good and hits hard right off the bat, and smashes house. 95/95/95 bulk is nothing to laugh at either, and can take some hits, especially given that it only has one weakness. It's definitely one of the best of the B's.

    [​IMG] Braviary is very good in RU, despite ironically being NU. It has high Attack and a very good STAB move in Brave Bird that can hit a lot of things for great damage. The Choice Band set is an absolutely incredible wallbreaker and can put sizable dents in everything, and its excellent coverage move in Superpower only comes to complement that. It can also keep up momentum with U-turn, and this allows it to scout switch-ins like Steelix and his gang. Braviary also has decent 100 / 75 / 75 bulk to boot, so he can take his fair share of hits quite well. Scarf is an okay revenge killer, and the SubBU set is decent, although not at its best like it is in NU. Overall, Braviary is a very good Pokemon and should fit in well with the Top B-Rankers.

    [​IMG]Crustle is one of the best spikers RU has to offer. Thanks to his ability, Sturdy, and a very usable 125 Defense stat to boot, Crustle can very reliably set up numerous layers of Spikes throughout the match. Stealth Rock is a nice bonus to the cake as well, making a full hazard trap to benefit many teams. This makes Crustle a very useful lead in the tier. While he faces competition from Smeargle, he has some qualities that allow him to stand out. Firstly, Crustle sports good bulk, as well as auto-Sash in Sturdy, so he can take more hits and last a bit longer to get 'dem hazards up. The other thing that makes Crustle a good lead is that unlike Smeargle, he can pack an offensive punch, so using Rock Blast, X-Scissor, and his good 95 Attack, he can put the hurt on common leads like Smeargle (after that thing has Spored something), Snover, and Uxie. Crustle also is capable of running a deadly as fuck Shell Smash set, and while 45 Speed isn't exactly the greatest, it's good enough to allow Crustle to get his sweep going. His very good Defense also ensures priority doesn't fuck him over, bar Aqua Jet from Gatr/Tops. This thing also pairs very well with a spinblocker, and is just a very good Pokemon overall.

    [​IMG]Golurk is a very powerful Pokemon in RU, albeit very underrated. With a titanic 124 Attack, very good STAB's in Earthquake and Shadow Punch, usable bulk, and a nice physical movepool, Golurk has quite a bit going for it. Firstly, it's a decent tank in RU, and it can check some Fighting-types somewhat well, as well as being a decent Stealth Rock user who can block Spin (but the fact that it struggles with Tops and Cryo will ensure you may need another spinblocker, such as Rotom. CB is a very powerful wallbreaker, and its power is just great. CB is an amazing set.

    [​IMG]Hitmonlee is one powerful threat in RU who isn't to be underestimated. His high Attack, Hi Jump Kick, and decent Speed tier make him a powerful force to be reckoned with. With Reckless+LO, his Hi Jump Kick will demolish everything bar Psychic and Ghost-types, which can be solved via Absol. New Breed's Unburden set is also very cool, and using Hi Jump Kick with Unburden is nice, and also allows Lee to outspeed a very good portion of the metagame. That said, it struggles a lot with Psychic and Ghost-types, so support from the likes of Absol/Spiritomb is needed for Hitmonlee to excel.

    [​IMG]Lanturn is a very good bulky Water-type in the tier and a usable special wall. This thing has enough bulk to take on threats such as Moltres, Omastar, and to a lesser extent Cryogonal with relative ease. It also has access to Volt Switch to keep momentum intact, while Heal Bell makes it a very good cleric. These make Lanturn a solid Pokemon. Despite this, Lanturn has no recovery, and repeated onslaughts will eventually take their toll. TO make matters worse, Lanturn won't be able to fare very well against Sceptile and Lilligant not only because he is weak to them, but because he is powerless, which his lack of any offensive presence makes him setup fodder very often.

    [​IMG]Mesprit is extremely versatile and has a nice balance of stats. Despite competition from Uxie, Mesprit still has her place. She can run many different sets, ranging from a SR lead to a CM user to Choice. Her good 105 offenses and 80 Speed allow her to do an offensive job, doing Offensive CM very well and hitting fairly hard. Choice Specs and Scarf are also very viable and she can certainly do this well with the great coverage in her movepool. Mesprit also has some useful support options like Stealth Rock, Rain Dance/Sunny Day, and Trick Room, allowing her to be a useful team supporter who can hit back, and she even has Ice Beam to get at those Druddigons that trouble sun teams. Healing Wish is also phenomenal and allows her to be useful to get injured teammates to full condition. Mesprit also has a nice 105 Attack to use CB, and it works decently well. I think this is a high B-Rank, because despite competition, Mesprit still is very good in the RU metagame and fits in with the high B-Rankers.

    [​IMG]Rhydon is one of the manliest Pokemon to ever be created, but he's not limited simply to being manly. Because he is an NFE, he can utilize Eviolite. With this, he's one of the most physically bulky Pokemon in the game. Using his excellent bulk and usable typing, he can check threats such as Entei and Bouffalant with some ease. Rhydon also has Stealth Rock, and is a very good user of the move and can also use Dragon Tail to phaze. Rhydon also has a high 130 Attack and phenomenal STAB's, so he can hit very hard as well. He has a number of exploitable weaknesses and is slow, plus no recovery, but his qualities definitely make him Top B.

    [​IMG]I might get some disagreement here, but I find Roselia to be a very useful supportive Pokemon in RU. Her access to Spikes makes her a great asset to numerous teams to lay the hazard down, which she does very reliably due to her positive qualities, of which she has plenty. Eviolite along with a Grass/Poison typing make her a good special wall, taking on some common special attackers such as Sceptile, Omastar, Galvantula, and Lilligant. Her perks don't stop there; she has access to Natural Cure, so she doesn't really care about status; and if she's forced out, status is no worry. This also allows her to effectively utilize Rest as recovery, fully healing herself while switching out to cure, as opposed to Munchlax who is dead weight as soon as he clicks Rest. She also has a good 100 Special Attack to deal good chunks of damage to the Pokemon she can take on, which is a nice plus. Roselia is definitely one of the best bulky spikers in RU, despite dropping to NU recently (Read: The only reason Rose dropped is because bad PS ladder dismisses it while using bad shit like Munchlax and Sandslash)

    [​IMG]Snover is by himself a very mediocre Pokemon, but the fact that he commands his own playstyle is something. He is a good lead, opening up starting damage with Blizzards and Hail damage, so he can start off the match. He also allows you to throw nasty Blizzards, which Nidoqueen and Slowking can use to their advantage, as well as Escavalier working well in it. With Stallrein and many BlizzSpammers around, this only adds to the fun. Snover is also excellent death fodder, which may be needed to enter dangerous yet frail threats like Cryogonal. Snover is definitely one great Pokemon in RU.

    [​IMG]Steelix is one of the great physical walls in RU and his menacing grin comes to the field at many physical attackers. Sporting a Steel-typing and a massive 200 Defense, Steelix can take on a myriad of physical attackers such as Escavalier, Braviary, and Aggron. His access to Stealth Rock is also helpful for the team, and shuffling with Roar is a plus. 85 Attack is kinda mediocre, but with Gyro Ball and Earthquake it does decent enough damage. Steelix is a strong physical wall, and is definitely a behemoth.

    Sorry for the short post, I'll continue on with this later. But just some initial thoughts on what should be Top B imo.
  2. Magcargo

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    [​IMG]Magmortar should definetly be top B-Rank IMO. While it does face stiff competition with moltres, Magmortar has access to thunderbolt and focus blast, giving it a solid niche over the turkey. Magmortar also happens to get EQ and Cross chop, allowing mixed sets to function somewhat well. Magmortar has an okayish base 83 speed, allowing it to outpace common base 80's but falling to the base 90's It also has dual chop, though you'll rarely be using this move. Magmortar may not be the best pokemon in the tier, but definetly deserves high B-Rank.
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    I ranked all them except for Seismitoad, and Gardevoir because idk how they do in RU. Descriptions are kinda short, sorry... Pictures will show up later lol


    HIGH
    • Aggron – Aggron's Head Smash hits extremely hard and it is therefore really difficult to switch into. Its physical bulk and Steel-typing also help it quite a bit, allowing it to tank Druddigon's Outrage and other physical attacks with extreme ease, and it also helps that Rock is an excellent offensive type in RU. It is also OK at supporting or using Automize to sweep.
    • Amoonguss – Nice typing and Regenerator help it wall a bunch of crap in the metagame like Water-types and Fighting-types. Oh yeah and Spore is pretty cool as well, as it is guaranteed to shut down a Pokémon. Its set-up fodder for a ton of Pokémon though, which can be extremely detrimental.
    • Braviary – Power, power, power. That's all Braviary stands for, and its pretty good in that regard. Powerful moves, decent amount of options, Braviary is one of the better Flying-types out there and Steel-types don't exactly wall it thanks to Superpower.
    • Bouffalant – Sap Sipper, this thing's bulk, and this thing's Attack stat are all great. Bouffalant hits like a truck and is difficult to take down, as its STAB with a Choice Band and a Sap Sipper boost can 2HKO stuff like Escavalier, which is pretty crazy. Pretty straightforward.
    • Feraligatr – Kabutops is arguably better, but Feraligatr can set up on more stuff thanks to less weaknesses and a pretty good bulk. It also has Dragon Dance, and it’s a lot faster than Crawdaunt is in that regard. It has competition with boosting stuff but it's still plenty powerful and has pretty balanced stats in all other areas, meaning it is a threat to a lot of stuff.
    • Hitmonlee – Hits like a truck, but it's easy as hell to wall with the right Pokémon. The good (or bad) news is that Hitmonlee's counters are easy to take out with Pursuit support, so it can use Unburden or Reckless to power through a lot of Pokémon. It's pretty scary in both regards.
    • Ludicolo – This thing in the rain is an absolute beast. Outside of the rain it isn't bad. This thing's typing helps it succeed a lot in the metagame, as under the rain most relavent threats are hit really hard (Grass/Ice/Water does a lot to every S-Ranked Pokémon in the tier other than Uxie). It's not really that strong but it is definetly a legitimate threat, albeit overlooked.
    • Magmortar – An extremely dangerous wallbreaker due to its good coverage and it's amazing Special Attack. It is extremely hard to switch into thanks to a Fire Blast that hits as hard as Moltres's and thanks to Thunderbolt it has a reliable and scary way to take down stuff like Slowking. Most of its counters are also rare. It’s a bit slow and has a meh physical bulk (its special bulk is actually pretty good though) but it otherwise it a threatening Pokémon.
    • Rhydon – Takes hits like nothing on the physical side and hits hard enough to make opponents feel a definite sting. Its physical bulk and offense make it a huge offensive and defensive threat, and arguably one of the greatest tanks in the entire metagame. This thing will not go down without a fight because it's not easy to switch into thanks to powerful STABs.
    • Snover – Snover itself is pretty mediocre but the hail it summons is a huge threat or boon to literally almost everything in the RU tier. Snover is also capable of at least doing something before it dies almost immediately, so it isn't 100% dead weight. Hail is an extremely useful tool – having it up is essential in many regards.
    • Steelix – Its pretty much a Steel-type Rhydon with a worse Attack. However, thanks to its typing, Steelix is a hard stop to a lot of Pokémon in the tier, and not even Earthquakes are going to kill this thing off. It has a lot more resistances compared to Rhydon, and its Gyro Ball certainly isn't weak. Getting 3HKOed by Super Effective moves is pretty resilient.
    • Typhlosion – Well, there isn't much to say about Typhlosion other than it is a fast, hard hitter. I mean really stuff gets wrecked by Eruption and Fire Blast even if it resists it sort of thing. It's faster than all the relevant Fire-types in the tier too, which is pretty cool. Stealth Rock weakness doesn't pair well with Eruption though, but its not like Fire Blast doesn't hit hard.
    MID
    • Aerodactyl – Pretty standard hard hitter. Extremely fast and a decent lead, but one thing I hate about this thing is that Stone Edge is extremely unreliable… and it's pretty much the only strong move Aerodactyl has other than Earthquake! Stealth Rock lead is OK but not too stellar. Its overall a fairly above average Pokémon, with a high speed and usable other quirks. It's also frail so can't take Aqua Jets well (a common priority move)
    • Clefable – I can't say much about Clefable, but it is a special wall, it has a great movepool, and has Magic Guard. Not much in the way of typing so it is weak to all the Fighting-types that roam around RU, but its fairly versatile, does well against a lot of Special Attacker, and is difficult to wear down, making it a good team player.
    • Carracosta – It’s a pretty good Pokémon. It has a great physical bulk and is pretty strong after a Shell Smash. It has a TON of weaknesses for a defensive Pokémon though, which is pretty annoying. Otherwise, Carracosta is an in general solid Pokémon, aside from its Speed being so low that its easily outpaced after it smashes its shell.
    • Crustle – Good Pokémon at setting up Spikes and Stealth Rock, mostly because it has both and has a good physical bulk to utilize. It's also a surprisingly good sweeper with Shell Smash due to Sturdy and a decent Attack, as well as enough Speed to do alright (though it is pretty dang slow). It also isn't 100% screwed against Slowking because it’s a bug. It’s a little easy to take advantage of though/easy-ish to stop depending on the set.
    • Galvantula – Thunder with good accuracy, good dual typing offensively, and pretty fast, Galvantula is a pretty threatening Electric-type Pokémon. However, its good offensive typing is bad defensively, and its fragility doesn't help. It's also walled by a few Pokémon fairly easily. It's fairly average in most regards but it's still pretty good.
    • Golurk – Not that great of a Spinblocker but it is a good tank. Unique typing, massive attack, decent movepool on the offensive side with Stealth Rock, and it can check a variety of Pokémon due to all of these traits. Not as bulky as one would think and a low speed are both fairly large flaws though, and its typing leaves it vulnerable to a lot of Pokémon.
    • Glaceon – Good inside of hail, but pretty much unusable outside of it. Dependence on Snover prevents me from ranking this thing higher, although inside of Hail it is pretty much one of the hardest hitting Pokémon you will ever come in contact with.
    • Klinklang – This thing is really, really easy to wall with the appropriate Pokémon due to its pathetic movepool which literally gives it almost nothing. However, it's still pretty awesome as a sweeper due to Shift Gear being an excellent move and all. It's not too hard to set up either, but a lot of Pokémon just flat out beat it which is why I think Mid is appropriate.
    • Lanturn – It sports a great typing and such but it doesn't have recovery or very many support moves (honesty only Heal Bell, Toxic, and Thunder Wave, which isn't much). Its also not really that strong. It’s a good way to take on a lot of Pokémon due to its typing and Volt Absorb, both of which are phenomenal and unique and stuff, though its special attack isn't great. Its bulk is also good. I'm all over the place on this one sorry.
    • Manectric – Nidoqueen pretty much killed this thing's chance at its main role. Despite that, Manectric is still a decent Electric-type. Lightingrod isn't great anymore but it is still an OK Special Attacker due to its high speed and decent movepool. It’s a bit one-dimensional, sadly, but otherwise it’s a pretty decent Pokémon.
    • Medicham – Hits so freaking hard it isn't even funny with Hi Jump Kick. Unlike Hitmonlee it actually can defeat some Ghosts out there which is a pretty big advantage. It is still somewhat vulnerable to Ghosts though and has a lot of competition from Gallade which is sorta unfortunate, but again, insane Attack.
    • Misdreavus – This thing is a pretty good spinblocker imo. It has a lot of good qualities for a wall, including a decent special attack to make it not complete set-up fodder, Taunt, Will-O-Wisp, Pain Split for iffy recovery, and Heal Bell. It still isn't really bulky even with an Eviolite though, but its overall not bad.
    • Omastar – Shell Smash is brutal! Sadly, setting it up is a bit harder than I would like due to a lot of weaknesses and a low speed. Once it sets up it’s an absolute pain to stop due to its high power and good enough coverage. Its also alright in a supporting role because it’s a Water-type with Spikes.
    • Piloswine – Good tank if I do say so myself. Similarly to in NU, it takes hits and hits back, doing both well thanks to its high defense and its great offensive typing that makes it somewhat hard to wall. Very reliable overall but it has a lot of really annoying weaknesses that it ironically should have dealt with with a STAB move sometimes (Fire and Grass for example)
    • Samurott – Swords Dance and Mixed Attacking sets are both solid, but not knowing which one Samurott has is what makes it pretty scary. Its hard to counter both sets at the same time, and even then, Megahorn really helps Samurott stand out. It gets competition from other Water-types in both things because its slow and it has the same checks as all of them, but its slight versatility and Megahorn make it pretty cool.
    • Walrein - Good inside of hail, but pretty much unusable outside of it. Dependence on Snover prevents me from ranking this thing higher, although inside of Hail it is pretty much one of the most annoying and reslient Pokémon you will ever come in contact with.
    LOW
    • Crawdaunt – Kinda hard to set up and not very fast even after setting up. Not outspeeding Sceptile is a serious problem for a Pokémon that gets wrecked by it, and its defensive typing is also pretty bad because its weak to so many moves. It does have the advantage of hitting extremely hard though thanks to Adaptability and a great STAB combo, but setting up Dragon Dance is pretty hard.
    • Drapion – idk what the heck happened to Drapion but it went from being really good to being… fairly mediocre pretty fast, and it wasn't just because of Cresselia either – it's just SOMETHING happened to it. It’s a pretty good Ghost- and Psychic-type trapper/killer and its OK at Swords Dancing, but Drapion is disappointing in regards to damage output due to that 90 base Attack and relatively weak moves.
    • Fraxure – Fraxure is pretty hard to set up due to its meh bulk and speed, but its high Attack and decent speed (AFTER the boost mind you) along with Outrage make it very hard to take hits from. Sadly, aside from Outrage there isn't much it can do to hit hard, because you can't get yourself locked into Outrage when there are Steel-types on the field unless you want to die/lose all your boosts from phazing.
    • Mesprit – Mesprit has always been sort of a jack of all trades, but to an extent master of none to me. Really balanced, but Slowking and Uxie are both great Pokémon and give it a ton of competition. Its versatile, but its roles are hard to differentiate and its stats are overall not really suited to do one specific thing well compared to everything else.
    • Miltank – Miltank has a high defense and a lot of supporting options, and can even go the offensive route, along with the fact that it has some seriously really good abilities, but it often seems to fall short for some reason in many areas, and sometimes I'm not sure why it does, most likely because each set has a few exploitable flaws.
    • Roselia – Metagame really isn't all too kind to Roselia atm. Its weaknesses are unfortunate in a metagame with Hail, Fire, and hard-hitting Physical Attackers, and in most respects Amoonguss is better. It is a decent Water check and Spikes user but Roselia is sorta struggling to do well right now, hence the recent drop.
    • Sawsbuck – It's OK. Its speed is kinda mediocre, and its Grass STAB is sorta disappointing because its weak, but it's an overall solid Pokémon thanks to Swords Dance, strong coverage moves, Sap Sipper is a decent ability, etc. It's good but not great as of what it seems like.
    • Scolipede – It gets a lot of competition no matter what it does. Accelgor is a Bug-type with Spikes but its faster, and its Attack isn't great for Swords Dance, but its still pretty good. Fairly high speed, Megahorn, and Spikes give it the advantages that it needs, but Scolipede is fairly easy to wall with the right stuff. High-C may be appropriate for this thing, actually, but whatever.
    • Swellow – Swellow is high-risk, high-reward. Its NOT easy to get rid of what walls it, and there are tons of very good Pokémon that completely wall it. Once they are gone it can sweep teams with ease because of its immense speed (Emboar can't revenge kill it with a Scarf), Guts, and super strong moves, but setting up is also a bit difficult because it is NOT bulky.
  4. Molk

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    I know we finished the top/mid/low placement for S rank quite a while ago, but what do you all think of moving Druddigon to top S rank? Druddigon is one of the most threatening Pokemon in the tier at the moment, terrorizing almost every team with its powerful Dragon STAB and good offensive movepool, having almost no safe switch ins to speak of. Because of Druddigon's good 77/90/90 Bulk and resistances to common attacking types such as Electric, Water, Grass, and Fire, its very easy to get Druddigon into the match to wreak havoc. The same bulk and resistances makes it very easy to fit Druddigon on a team, as it provides a check to a ton of threats such as Sceptile, Lilligant, Entei, Rotom-C, and Slowking in one teamslot. Not to mention that Druddigon has access to Stealth Rock and is incredibly good at setting it up, making it an even better fit for a ton of teams.

    So what do you think? do you think this is enough to justify promoting Druddigon to top S rank? Or do you think it should remain in mid S?

    Oh by the way, i also decided to add Altaria to untested, does anyone have any experience with him?

    EDIT: i have placed Cinccino and Rotom-F in low A rank and durant in top A rank for now, meaning the only Pokemon i need to decide a placement on is Tangrowth, thoughts?
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    I can agree with moving druddigon up. Its one of the most powerful choice banders around and has a similar movepool with D-Nite. Firepunch allows druddigon to beat foes such as escalaver. I would say more, but I have to study.
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    Despite the fact that Druddigon is incredible I don't think it is quite worthy for the Top. When you look at Top S, you have Nidoqueen, which is without a doubt the most powerful wallbreaker in the tier, and Slowking, which is incredibly resilient and walls tons of threats. Druddigon is a great Pokemon, but what kinda sucks is that while Steel-types are around Outrage can't really be used, its fairly slow, and while its bulky, its not really THAT bulky, and it isnt really good against Hail. 4 sorta minor issues, but they add up to make it A bit flawed in RU. It checks a ton of threats and is a huge offensive force but I don't think it is as good at everything as Nidoqueen and Slowking are (hence why they dominate the metagame)
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    Just going to provide my opinion on a Pokemon i think should undeniably be top B rank: Rhydon.

    [​IMG] I really think its no question that Rhydon should be top B rank. While Rhydon wasnt too shabby defensively before, the ability to use Eviolite bolster's Rhydon's already amazing physical bulk to unimaginable levels, making it the single most physically bulky Pokemon in the whole game when holding the item. Eviolite Rhydon is so bulky on the physical side that its even capable of surviving Waterfalls from things like Kabutops with the right ev spread, which is really impressive given the fact that Rhydon has a 4x weakness to water. Rhydon also comes packed with a huge base 130 Attack stat and two amazing STABs in Edgequake, so Rhydon has no trouble doing a shitton of damage in return after switching in. To be honest, the only reason i wouldnt consider Rhydon for an even higher rank is its dual 4x weaknesses to Water and Grass, which despite all the extra bulk are still very crippling to Rhydon. Overall Rhydon is an absolute beast of a Pokemon and even with his Watery achilles heel, it would be a crime to put him below top B rank imo. (also rhydon is manly)

    EDIT: Articuno, Torterra, and Murkrow have been added to untested!
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    IMO Rhydon should be low A-Rank, but I have a different matter to discuss.

    I might get a lot of disagreement here, but I would like to nominate Archeops for D-Rank. As an attacker, I think that Archeops is outclassed by Areodactyl, who has better speed, slightly better bulk and a useful ability. I know that archeops has roost, but it just doesn't have the bulk to take a hit while it recovers. Strong priority users like medicham, feraligatr and kabutops can easily take it out. The arcrobatics set is all fine and good until you realize that archeops can't boost its power with life orb. IMO archeops is D-rank material, unless somebody explains some major perks archeops has.

    Noob Question: Why is magneton a C-Rank pokemon?
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    I don't think you can exactly say Aero completely outclasses Archeops. Archeops has a massive 140 Attack stat, which, when paired with Flying Gem Acrobatics and STAB Stone Edge, as well as either EQ or Heat Wave, is very deadly in the right conditions. Archeops, aside from being much stronger than Aerodactyl, is capable of running Heat Wave effectively, which means Steelix and Escavalier need to think before coming in, unlike with Aerodactyl. This also allows Archeops to pummel Durant, who is one of the deadlier forces around. Of course, Aerodactyl is faster, and yeah, is generally better, but Archeops still has its place. I think Archeops fits the definition of C to a tree; it has a notable niche, which is to use its STAB's and attack stats (plus its good Speed) to be able to put massive dents in teams, while it has equally as notable flaws in its awful ability, which makes it weak after it loses half of its HP (but that hardly matters because most things will OHKO it anyway, lol), its god awful defensive typing, making it harder to switch in and also making it vulnerable to priority. Therefore, as C-Rank says, Archeops needs significant support to be effective in RU, with the need of a spinner, such as Sandslash or Cryogonal, to keep SR at bay, as well as some bulky team support to be able to take down some priority users. However, with this support, Archeops can be very effective. He also faces competition from Aerodactyl as the fast Rock-type hitter, as you said, which is fine for a C-Rank Pokemon.

    As for Magneton, I think the reason it's in the C-Rank is because while it sports a very good niche in trapping Steels while also being a potent hard hitter, its rather middling Speed along with three exploitable weaknesses are what let it down. Its typing gives it some very good resistances, but also gives it three nasty weaknesses, to Fighting, Ground, and Fire, which make it easy to kill with threats such as Nidoqueen, Gallade, and Moltres. It is also rather slow, so it may not outspeed much. However, Magneton still has a very good niche, and thus is a C-Rank Pokemon.

    And on Tangrowth, I believe mid A-Rank is the best place for Tangrowth. He is a very physically bulky Pokemon, and is one of the good physical walls in RU. He can wall some stuff, forms a usable defensive core with Slowking, and has offensive presence, which are all very good perks. However, the arrival of things like Escavalier and Nidoqueen into the tier do give Tang a hard time, so mid is best.

    I will speak on what should be mid and low B-Rankers later today.
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    Just popping in to second that Archeops can't realistically be compared to Aerodactyl. Archeops' ability to effectively make use of its Flying STAB alone is enough to distinguish itself from Aerodactyl, with Acrobatics allowing it to run through Pokemon such as Poliwrath and Tangrowth that Aero could only dream of beating (ok, HC Aero can sometimes beat Tangrowth post-sleep fodder, but still ;-;). Moreover, its workable Special Attack, while by no means stellar, is good enough to 2HKO Pokemon such as Rhydon and Steelix with Earth Power, both of whom can easily combat Aero and would otherwise beat Archeops. While Aerodactyl is definitely more generally versatile and "low-maintenance", Archeops is a much more effective wall-breaker and deserves its current ranking imo.

    I'll post my thoughts on B-rank placement later, but I just thought I'd toss this out for now '~'

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    I've only been running Articuno for a couple days now (well, in RU '~'), but it is a really cool 'mon. Not the spdef set mind you (it's pretty bad tbh), but an offensive set; not unlike Moltres, Articuno can be a really dangerous offensive threat thanks to its solid dual STAB coverage, high Special Attack, and reliable recovery. While it does face a lot of competition from Moltres in this respect, Articuno does retain some very notable traits that allow it to distinguish itself from it, including the obvious Ice sub typing (being useful both offensively and even defensively) and better overall bulk. That being said,I'd say its probably best placed in High C rank, since it definitely fits the C Rank description (notable flaws, significant support to be effective, faces competition from more used 'mons) though as far as that sort of thing goes it is highly efficient in its role.


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    Torterra has been a very cool 'mon in my experiences with it. Its STAB combination is really nice offensively, making it one of the few physical attackers capable of being able to effectively break through popular physical walls such as Poliwrath and Steelix no problem. This typing, backed by its respectable bulk, grant it quite a few opportunities to set up, whether its Stealth Rock, Rock Polish, or even Swords Dance (Curse sucks :[ ). Its good bulk also makes it very resilient to priority and revenge-killing overall, being able to stomach Scarfed Rotom-C Leaf Storms, Absol Sucker Punches and so forth moderately well and continuing on to sweep. The more recent changes have been both cruel and kind to Torterra: while they did lead to the decrease in Tangrowth usage, one of its biggest nemeses, it also brought Hail, and the once-rare Ice-type attacks became much more commonplace, preventing Torterra from finding nearly as many opportunities to come in as it once did. I'm leaning towards Low B Rank atm, but am somewhat unsure. If any other Torterra users exist, feel free to weigh in '~'
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    Ok I withdrw my my arguement on archeops dropping down to D-Rank

    Also, Tangrowth is definetly mid A-Rank. I mean it has a powerful STAB power whip and, along with amoongus, is the only real defensive grass type in the tier. Also it can form the slowgrowth core with slowking. However tangrowth has low special defense, which will always be his greatest downfall AND he faces competition with amoongus, who has better Special defense and also has regenerator.

    EDIT: Almost forgot. Thanks ScraftyIsTheBest for explaining wh magneton is C-Rank.Hard to believe it was E-Rank at the beginning of the thread. There are alot of pokemon that I don't know why they are in C-Rank like haryama and scyther.
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    Okay, while I'm at it, I'll talk about what I think should be mid and low B-Rankers.

    But before that, I'll throw in my support on Amoonguss and Magmortar being Top B-Rank. (My other opinions on Top B-Rankers are in a previous post.

    [​IMG]Amoonguss is a solid and useful Pokemon who has very good 114 / 70 / 80 Bulk, some very good resistances, and Spore. With Spore, Amoonguss basically incapacitates an opponent for free, and the Gen 5 Sleep machanics means it's a basic KO. This is a plus for Amoonguss. Also, it has Clear Smog to deter setup from Gallade and friends. Amoonguss also has enough Special Attack to run an offensive set, which is a plus. This Pokemon also has Regenerator to keep his HP intact. Very good, and thus should be Top B.

    [​IMG]Magmortar is one hell of a wallbreaker. It has fearsome special attack and amazing coverage, thus it is very hard to wall. Its Thunderbolt is a nice asset, and can hit Water-types hard. Focus Blast and HP Ice can put the hurt on other things as well. Magmortar has few hard counters and is worthy of Top B-Rank.

    Mid:

    Aerodactyl, Carracosta, Clefable, Feraligatr, Galvantula, Gardevoir, Glaceon, Klinklang, Ludicolo, Manectric, Medicham, Misdreavus, Omastar, Piloswine, Samurott, Scolipede, Seismitoad, Typhlosion, Walrein

    [​IMG]Aerodactyl, I'm going to suggest mid now. Ehh, Stone Edge is horribly unreliable, and EQ is its only other good move. That said, Aerodactyl does have its place as a strong attacker and an okay SR lead.

    [​IMG]Carracosta is a very good Pokemon, with rock hard defense plus Stealth Rock making it usable, as well as being a very strong Shell Smash sweeper after a boost. His good coverage in Aqua Jet or Ice Beam, Stone Edge, and Waterfall is nice, so it can really sweep after a boost. Though its low Speed and awful defensive typing are letdowns, Carracosta is still a very good Pokemon who can pull his weight.

    [​IMG]Clefable is a very good supportive Pokemon in RU, with her cleric and Wish capabilities being excellent qualities for a team, as healing status and HP to teams, especially stall teams, is phenomenal. Clefable can also take repeated onslaughts from Nidoqueen, the undeniable top threat in the metagame right now, which is also a plus. It also has a decent Life Orb set that can work, although it does face competition from Nidoqueen. This thing walls a number of special attackers too. Fairly versatile, as Swamp-Rocket said, so Mid B is very good for Clefable.

    [​IMG]Feraligatr is a vicious Swords Dance user, and his wallbreaking prowess makes him one fearsome Pokemon. His priority Aqua Jet can pick off speedy things too, so Gatr is just one hell of a Pokemon. DD is also nice too. Though, GATR TIME is not as good as it used to be, and it's easier to take down. Feraligatr is still rather solid, so Mid B is perfect.

    [​IMG]Galvantula is a potent special attacker in RU, and his Compoundeyes boosted Thunder can be brutal, and very good too. Bug Buzz is neat, and maims most Grass types bar Roselia and Amoonguss, but those two are very good anyways, so eh. It has Giga Drain to nail Grounds too, so yeah. Overall, while it's frail and SR Weak, and its SpA is not the greatest, it's still good enough to warrant mid B.

    [​IMG]Gardevoir is a very underrated special attacker in RU, not sure why it isn't used more. That said, its 125 Special Attack, decent 80 Speed, and phenomenal movepool make it a versatile Pokemon. Its LO set is very dangerous, and can hit excessively hard. With Trace, it can check Lanturn, Nidoqueen (and copy SF to get a horde of hard hits going), Magneton, and much more. It also can run Scarf and Specs effectively, so it can be a hard hitter or revenge killer. It also has a good support movepool to be a usable team player. Very versatile Pokemon who can do very well, mid B is very good for it.

    [​IMG]Glaceon is completely and utterly useless outside of hail, but it is one of the best hail candidates, for in hail it is quite a formidable threat. It has 130 Special Attack, and when combined with an incredible STAB Blizzard, can put some real hurt on opponents (Druddigon and Nidoqueen are running for cover right now). HP Ground and Shadow Ball add to the fun, taking care of Steels and Slowking, respectively. SubProtect is also incredibly annoying, although not as much as Stallrein, and is very good.

    [​IMG]Klinklang is an awesome sweeper with Shift Gear, and with a boost he's very deadly. Although his coverage is extremely lacking, he has power behind Gear Grind, Return, and Wild Charge. He is fast and powerful, and his typing makes sure he won't go down too quickly. This makes Klinklang a deadly Pokemon. One could go as far as using THE MIGHTY ROCK SMASH to hurt Magneton, but it's weak. Still, Klinklang is solid and a good B.

    [​IMG]Ludicolo is awesome and underrated. In rain, its Speed is very high and its LO Rain boosted Hydro Pump is brutal. It can sweep whole teams in a flash without any hesitation; so much that nothing can stop it. Giga Drain will be sure to keep those waters at bay, as well as Ice Beam. Ludicolo is amazing and mighty powerful, and I am not sure why it is NU. However, I am going for mid B because its dependence on the rain prevent it from going further.

    [​IMG]Manectric is a solid revenge killer with a Scarf, and his usable coverage make him rather strong. He has great Speed and no SR weakness, which make him a good Scarfer. Overheat and HP do give in coverage. That said, Nidoqueen hurts Manectric's viability quite a bit, plus it's a one trick pony, but nonetheless, it's very solid.

    [​IMG]Medicham is a solid threat in RU, with an Attack stat rivaling Kyurem-B, plus STAB Hi Jump Kick, which make it a wrecking machine. Psycho Cut also does good against Ghosts, although it may still struggle with them. While it struggles with Psychic and Ghost-types, those are always able to be solved via teammates, such as Absol to trap Psychics and Ghosts, as well as Entei or Moltres to absorb Will-O-Wisps from the Ghosts. While Medicham may need a little support, it's wrecking capabilities more than outshine its flaws.

    [​IMG]Misdreavus is a very good spinblocker in RU, with her good bulk from Eviolite, can wall some shit like Gallade and to a lesser extent, Nidoqueen. Missy also has Heal Bell to be a good cleric, plus 85 SpA to hit decently hard. Misdreavus also has a very good CM set to boot. Overall, good spinblocker, definite mid B.

    [​IMG]Omastar is one vicious sweeper. With Shell Smash, his Special Attack and Speed go up drastically, making him a force to be reckoned with. Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, and HP Grass after the boost devastate teams. While its awful defensive typing and Speed do hold it back some, its power and speed after the boost make it a devastating sweeper, thus a mid B.

    [​IMG]Piloswine is a good tank, I guess. It has a usable defensive typing, has good bulk. So it can take hits and dish them back. He has a good resistance to Ice, meaning he can live Blizzards. His good bulk really helps too. Ground and Ice also have very good coverage together, and with its 100 Attack, it can put some decent dents. Priority in Ice Shard is also useful to pick off weak opponents. This makes Pilo very good, and as a result mid B.

    [​IMG]Samurott is a potent Pokemon in RU, it has both a physical and a special set. Both are scary already, but as Swamp said, not knowing which one it's running makes it even more vicious. Megahorn is really good, and regardless, before Samurott starts, it's pretty hard to counter, and it can be sure to force you to sack some of your Pokemon.

    [​IMG]Scolipede is really solid in RU, and is just outright very good. Even if there are other Bugs for Scolipede to compete with, the mega centipede has enough perks to stand out. Unlike Accelgor, Scolipede has very good coverage to use in EQ and Rock Slide, thus it is not as easy to wall. Megahorn is also much stronger than Accelgor's Bug Buzz. Accelgor's still outstanding, but Scolipede's still got a place. Furthermore, Scolipede's a speed machine, so he can spam some Megahorns while being fast (as opposed to Escavalier). Scolipede is, along with Accelgor, one of the best offensive Spikers in RU, with his super Speed, excellent coverage, a decent Attack to work with, and Swarm. With a Sash, a Swarm powered Megahorn is really cool. SD Pede is very good and wrecks house like no tomorrow. Solid Mid B imo.

    [​IMG]Ah yes, Seismitoad. I've used it before, and I was very impressed. In rain, he's even faster than Ludicolo, and can hit hard with Hydro Pump. While he lacks Ice Beam, Sludge Wave and Earth Power provide ample enough coverage. Grass Knot is cool too if needed. Seismitoad is such a dangerous sweeper in rain, and being able to absorb Electric attacks is also neat for rain teams. I haven't used a defensive set, but it looks good with Water Absorb, checking some things well. But eh, mid B is good.

    [​IMG][B]Typhlosion[/B] is one powerful Pokemon, with a Specs boosted Eruption being one annihilator. Its Fire Blast, if it reaches Blaze level, it powerful as well, so it will wreck everything. Its sheer power with a Specs is undeniable. A Sunny Day set is also rather cool, and is powerful. Although Charizard gives it competition, Ty isn't worn down as easily. The only problem with Typhlosion is his SR weakness and vulnerability to priority making him hard pressed to get full power, but Typhlosion is still very solid.

    [​IMG]Walrein, much like Vanilluxe and Glaceon, is useless outside of hail, but in the hail he's one of the most annoying things on the planet. Stallrein can spam Protect and Sub, making Hail and Toxic damage stack and wear down the opponent so that they suffer. After it starts stalling, it's very hard to stop. It's very bulky, and some Pokemon will struggle to break his Subs, let alone Walrein. Very solid mid B-Ranker, cause Stallrein is a boss.

    Low:
    Crawdaunt, Drapion, Fraxure, Miltank, Sawsbuck, Swellow

    [​IMG]Crawdaunt packs raw power, and with Adaptability, it wrecks whole teams after a DD boost, and most of the tier, even Steelix, will be running for their lives at this fearsome beast. Only few things, such as Tangrowth, Quagsire, and Poliwrath (and Ferroseed, who sucks, lol) can even dream of beating Crawdaunt. This makes Crawdaunt a force to be reckoned with. Unfortunately, it's hard to use because it's frail and slow, and its typing leaves it weak to Sceptile and Scolipede, both of who outspeed Daunt after a boost. This, as a result, makes me go with low B.

    [​IMG]Drapion, as DittoCrow and Swamp-Rocket have both said, is a low level threat in RU. His 90 Attack isn't good enough to be hitting shit hard enough, and he isn't up to par defensively either. He can't stand up to the offensive pressure of the metagame, and strong Pokemon can make through it. Drapion is also outclassed by Absol, Spiritomb, and Escavalier as Pursuit trappers. The former is also a much better user of Swords Dance because he has priority, is much stronger, and is better in general. Overall, Drapion is a low level threat in RU, and thus is a low B-Rank Pokemon.

    [​IMG]Fraxure is very good, with good coverage, high power, and usable Speed after a DD to work with. Outrage and either Low Kick or Superpower offer enough coverage to smash teams with ease. However, it's kinda hard to set up, so low B is right. This thing is very underrated though.

    [​IMG]Miltank is very good, being a decent wall and can also go for the moofensive as well. It is very good, but it has a few exploitable flaws to boot.

    [​IMG]Sawsbuck is a boss, sporting incredible coverage, Swords Dance, and good Speed. It is a vicious sweeper once it gets going, and can wreck shop so damn easily it's not even funny. Very much underrated in RU, but Saws is very good. However, it's sometimes hard pressed to get the boost, mostly because it's rather frail. Also, Cinccino and Bouffalant may sometimes be better offensive Pokemon. Eh, I'm torn between mid and low B, mostly because it's very good, but it's a bit hard to use.

    [​IMG]Swellow is one powerhouse, with Guts boosted Facade being a wrecking machine, and its high Attack and 140 STAB just destroy the hell outta everything. Its STAB Brave Bird is also monstrous. But it's easy to wear down with the BB Recoil, Burn damage, and SR weakness, plus its coverage is lacking. Still, with some support, Swellow can wreck shop.

    Anyways, all I gotta say here.
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    Ok, ive made a few edits to the ranks, here is the list of the changes ive made so:

    While im at it, im also going to suggest adding Swoobat to C rank. While Swoobat looks unassuming at first, it got a huge buff in BW2 that's been completely overlooked: Simple. Simple doubles the stat gain Swoobat gets from stat boosting/dropping items, effectively turning Calm Mind into the equivalent of using Nasty Plot and Amnesia in one turn, making Swoobat incredibly threatening after just one turn of set up, especially with its good base 114 Speed stat, which lets it outrun the majority of the unboosted metagame with no trouble at all. Sadly, Swoobat has some notable flaws that keep it out of a rank higher than C, imo, most notable of which being its fraility. 67/55/55 ensures that Swoobat isnt going to be taking hits any time soon, and also makes Swoobat very vulnerable to priority, making it harder to pull off a successful sweep. Swoobat is also somewhat overshadowed by Sigilyph, who has more inital power, usable bulk, and Magic Guard over poor Swoobat. Nonthenless, Swoobat can still be incredibly dangerous when it wants to be, and in my opinion deserves at least mid C rank.
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    Ok, gonna post on three Pokémon now.

    First is Miltank and its placement in the B rank list. Miltank is a solid Mid B Pokémon, and it's no question. I'm one of the people who have used this Pokémon the most, and from my experience it's nowhere close to Low. It's a great support Pokémon with access to Stealth Rock, Heal Bell, two great status moves, and its own recovery move. It's able to several different threats to varying degrees, being capable to even handle Nidoqueen, even though some threats requires a certain ability (Thick Fat or Sap Sipper). On top of that it has Speed to go with as well, and an usuable Attack stat for its Body Slam. The offensive set is also great when it gets going, and it's not hard to get a Sap Sipper boost in an enviroment where Grass-type moves fly around; be it Sleep Powders and Spores, or Leech Seeds and Giga Drains. Again, a base 100 Speed stat allows it to outrun or tie with many faster threats, most notably Entei, while it has bulk to boot allowing it to recover any recoil from Double-Edge and LO with relative ease. I don't really know what's so exploitable about Miltank though, as I've rarely felt that Miltank has been the weak link; it's often it who puts my opponent on hold.

    Next one is Musharna. I've been using it for the last like five days, and it's been really solid. The main set I used was the same Calm Mind set that it uses in NU; the moves where Calm Mind / Moonlight / Heal Bell / Psychic. It has the bulk, power, and moves to set up and then sweep late-game. IMO, this is the optimal move set for CM Musharna, as status from Pokémon like Slowking (which it beats 1-on-1 w/ Heal Bell) is a real pain; Synchronize is a nice combo with Heal Bell as well, as Toxic and such will be inflicted on the opponent as well. However, with only Psychic as its attacking option, it's obviously stopped by certain Pokémon. Dark-type and Escavalier are the main issues, while Durant can stop Musharna most of the time. This means it needs support to get rid of these Pokémon to allow it to set up and sweep, but it's easily fixed. While I never used it myself, Baton Pass is also an option to pass to a teammate when Musharna is stopped cold etc. (also bypasses Pursuit). I also tried some support variant, and it was good enough.

    Overall, due to its overall great traits, Musharna should be put into B rank. It does require a little more support than the A rank Pokémon, but it's not much. Its slow Speed can be a slight hinderance at times, but it doesn't really matter when you can tank hits like a champ. When it comes to top, mid, and low, Musharna is nothing but a Top B rank Pokémon.

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    Last on my short little list is Cradily. Have nothing much to say about it though. Cradily is really a niche Pokémon. It stops some combined threats alone that some others can't, but it has weaknesses that hinders its walling capabilities. It stops one of the two best spinners (Kabutops), and loses to the other (Cryogonal) most of the time; its beats the mediocre Sandslash too though. Entei is probably one of the more interesting Pokémon that also struggles with Cradily. I really don't want to write much more about Cradily though. In short, it has Stealth Rock, Recover, great bulk, and Storm Drain to stop a variety of threats and support its team. I would put it in C rank, and when it comes into more detail, I think Mid C is the most fitting.
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    [​IMG] Typhlosion High B-Rank
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    While it faces competition from moltres and magmortar, typhlosion's higher speed and access to eruption make it a valuable choice. Thanks to blaze, typhlosion's fire blast can deal major damage to anything that doesn't resist it. Typhlosion's movepool is nothing to boast about, but it has all the tools it needs to be effective. Eruption is so powerful that, with a modest nature and choice specs, it can can 2HKO offensive Kabutops after SR damage!However, damage from entry hazards and faster attackers will weaken the power of its eruption, and its average defenses don't help either. While typhlosion is not the best fire type in the tier, it can wreck teams with its powerful attacks.

    Also remove metang from E-Rank because it is NU now and almost nobody uses it.
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    I don't have much to add to what SuperJOCKE said– but I can vouch for Musharna. Having not played much RU in many months, I have in less than a day reached about 1950 on the ladder using Musharna. It's good.
  17. Molk

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    K ive made some updates to B rank and im also going to list some of the new proposed changes and give my current thoughts on them as well

    Here are the changes ive made to the ranks:

    I think Medicham and Ludicolo fit into low B rank perfectly, both of them are very solid Pokemon with a definite place in the metagame (Medicham's an excellent cleaner with its mighty Hi Jump Kick and decent coverage otherwise while Ludicolo's an absolute monster under the rain). But have some flaws that keep them out of high B rank, Medicham's pretty frail all around and hates priority with a passion, not to mention switching in, and also has a hard time getting around Spiritomb, who's immune to both of its STAB attacks and quickly eliminates it with a combination of Shadow Sneak and Pursuit. Ludicolo is somewhat dependent on Rain to function to its full potential, and isnt an amazing Pokemon outside of the rain, which prevents it from being top b in my opinion, but if someone has a solid argument for promoting him i'd be happy to move him up to top.

    Moving on to proposed changes, here are all the non top/mid/low related changes proposed in the past few days.

    Im going to vouch for Musharna as well, every time ive used or played against Musharna its been nothing short of impressive, its 116/85/95 defenses allow it to take hits like nothing, and with access to somewhat reliable recovery in the form of moonlight, Musharna's a tough nut to crack once it gets going. Because of its incredible bulk, specially defensive Musharna makes an excellent check to Nidoqueen, among other things. Never being 2hko'd by any of its attacks and healing off the damage with Moonlight, while also posing an immediate threat to queen with a super effective STAB Psychic, While also supporting the team with Heal Bell and Thunder Wave. Musharna can run a very effective Calm Mind+Baton Pass set as well, using its great bulk to rack up Calm Minds to either sweep on its own, or to pass the boosts to other dangerous Pokemon such as Nidoqueen, Moltres, or Sceptile. Baton Pass is also useful for evading Pursuit, which is a godsend for a Pursuit weak Pokemon such as Musharna. Im not sure where i'd put Musharna in B rank, but i think it deserves B rank for sure, or if not B rank, high C rank at the least.

    EDIT: placed Glaceon in top B for now
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    Seriously, why isn't golurk actually in RU yet? With titanic attack coupled with a pretty beefy HP stat and decent defenses, golurk truly has its niche. The ability to keep its own rocks up, a truly painful punch (literally) and the ability to tank hit pretty well as it is, it is no surprise that golurk is worthy of at least mid b-rank in RU.
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    Altaria is an extremely underrated threat in this meta. It can nuke a lot of things hard with Draco Meteor and is not too hard to slap onto a team. It can help massively luring some steel types that you may encounter as well as maiming a switch-in of Altaria -- Cryogonal. I have tested this quite well with my Grimsly and he has got a w/l of something like 20-1 on the RU ladder (not too great but still). He was actually running an interesting set of Draco Meteor+Power Swap with LO to cripple Slowking which is probably it's most common switch-in. Lastly, it can switch-in and hurt Nidoqueen really hard given it doesn't go for Ice Beam. I would petition it to go for C-Rank -- High or Mid C-Rank to be precise.
  20. Molk

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    Ok, ive updated the ranks according the latest proposed changes, here are the changes ive implemented this time.

    Also, im nominating Kangaskhan for at least mid B rank Kanga is sorely underrated in RU at the moment, and i really dont see why it isnt used more. While at first glance Kangaskhan might seem like its outclassed by other Normal-types such as Tauros and Zangoose, she has quite a bit over the other normal-types that makes her stand out as a unique and effective option in the RU metagame. The first and most significant perk Kangaskhan has is Scrappy, which gives Kangaskhan the ability to spam her Normal STAB and Fighting-type coverage moves without fear of a Ghost-type such as Spiritomb or Rotom coming in to wall her, as she completely bypasses their immunity to these moves and hits them for neutral damage instead. Kangaskhan also has a significant amount of bulk over the other Normal-types available in RU. 105/80/80 is incredibly good for an offensive Pokemon, and makes Kangaskhan much easier to switch in than her Normal-type bretheren despite her lack of resistances, while simultaneously making her very hard to OHKO (even Moltres has a hard time OHKOing 0/0 Kangaskhan with a Life Orb Hurricane, only being able to do so with the absolute maximum damage roll.) Lastly, Kangaskhan has Fake Out, which has a ton of utility, allowing her to become a makeshift revenge killer with a combination of Scrappy Fake Out and Sucker Punch, which has enough power to pick off the majority of the offensive Pokemon in the metagame, while also giving her the ability to stop Smeargle early game without it getting a single opportunity to put something to sleep or get hazards down, something other Pokemon would kill for. To be honest i dont know why i decided to put Kangaskhan in C rank in the first place, and i really think she should be placed in mid B rank at the very least (CherubAgent is even pushing for low A!).

    EDIT: also, why the fuck isnt kanga a fighting type .-.

    EDIT2: Added Feraligatr to top B rank for now

    EDIT3: Added Flareon to untested

    EDIT4: Added Lanturn and Omastar to mid B
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    Galvantula is undoubtedly a b-rank pokemon in RU. A stellar base 108 speed and an above average base 91 SpAtk (if memory serves) gives galvantula its offensive merit, and with bug/electric STAB only resisted by steelix, nidoqueen and a potential couple others, its ability to dent teams is quite impressive, especially with an around 90% accurate thunder if I remember correctly. The only real fault I see is that 95% of galvantula sets have the same movesets barring items. That said, it isn't hard to check galvantula, but it isn't a walk in the park dealing with it, either. In short, galvantula is b-rank, but I feel low b-rank is appropriate.

    Sawsbuck, ah what an underrated force you are. with great physical STAB in normal/grass, along with nature power EQ, it is safe to say sawsbuck has the tools it needs to be an offensive threat. I've had experience using it as a standalone sweeper, with sunny day/ 3 attacks or forgoing nature power for SD (3 attacks is more reliable), and the only true problems are tangrowth and steelix to an extent. That said, sawsbuck is still quite frail, and without sun up is outsped by a good portion of RU, so low to mid b-rank feels most fitting.

    Typhlosion, one of my favorite fire types. I'll try not to show bias here... Typhlosion is arguably one of the most potent special attackers in the tier, when it's healthy. SR weakness strikes again, weakening eruption with each switch in (actually fire blast is stronger after just one switch-in) Typhlosion is just a potent choiced pokemon, and not much but slowking can stop him with good prediction. It's offensive prowess as a whole in the tier lets me believe typhlosion is solid in mid b-rank, maybe even high b-rank
  22. Molk

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    Ok, because nobody seems to be opposed to promoting Kangaskan, ill just go ahead and added her to in mid B rank for now, if you think Kangaskhan should be in a higher or lower rank feel free to post your opinion!

    I also made a few other changes to the ranks, i edited most of them into my last post but here they are for reference.

    EDIT: added Kadabra to untested!

    EDIT2: Added Galvantula to mid B rank!

    Ill probably edit this post with more content in a little bit
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    Flareon to Low C imo

    I've used it before and it wasn't horrible but its also not very good. It can't take on much beyond a few specific mons. Small niche but still useful, low C imo.
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    I'll comment on the ones that are unranked for B.

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    [​IMG][dex=crustle](Crustle):[/dex] Crustle has some redeeming qualities and some unredeeming, but one of the only reasons to use Crustle is Spikes, which it does a great job of setting up. Smergle is usually a bit fit for more offensively-incline, but Crustle is better seen on slower offensive teams. Shell Smash and Spikes turns Crustle into a dangerous setter that can bludgeon the opposition a bit, and can lay down Stealth Rocks if needed; Sturdy makes sure that it can at least do something. Its biggest boon is Spikes, and it's not bad at setting them up. If it didn't have Spikes it would be lower down.




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    [​IMG][dex=Bouffalant](Bouffalant)[/dex]: I have a place in my heart for the afro-bull; it was really good in the Cresselia metagame. Everyone knows Bouffalant's perks: bulk, high attack, sap sipper, but with its Speed being the ultimate downfall. The reason why Bouffalant should be Mid-B is because, of its low Speed and its typing. The Speed means Bouffalant is not very useful in the more offensive metagame, and compounded by the typing means Bouffalant can't rely on resistances to absorb some damage. It doesn't help too much that Bouffalant's strongest option is Head Smash, which sorta wastes its excellent bulk.

    [​IMG][dex=galvantula](Galvantula):[/dex] Galvantula is an excellent LO cleaner, but isn't a very good Choiced Pokemon due to a Stealth Rock weakness. Galvantula has great coverage and can use the strongest Electric attack without missing all the time, and can scout early-game with Volt Switch! The SR weakness really does hurt though, which means that it needs extra support. I find that Galvantula is a really strong Pokemon, but lacks the 'oomph' needed to get the power that Moltres has.

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    Welp, since the untested section is my friend, I guess I'll post my thoughts on a couple 'mons. I've used them all bar Zweilous (I can't hit moves '~') a decent amount, but not enough recently to speak for the atm, so yeah, base post for rants on obscure 'mons :x

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    I've been using Cacturne quite a bit recently, and I've been fairly impressed by its performance. Its unique typing is useful both offensively and defensively, providing it some respectable STAB attacks and a handful of solid opportunities to switch in. It even has Water Absorb to avoid hazarding Scald burns, a common annoyance to other physically based Grass-types, which is always neat. While being initially overshadowed by Shiftry, who sports a higher base Speed and better coverage options, access to Spikes really distinguishes the two. That said, Cacturne is a very solid offensive Spikes user, not only finding a reasonable amount of opportunities to set them up, but also effectively self-spinblocking them. Cacturne's high Attack and access to Sucker Punch allow it to outpace attacks from both Kabutops and Cryogonal and effectively KO them after some prior damage (my item of choice has been Dark Gem, with which is deals ~98% min to standard Cryogonal and ~75% to Kabutops, though after SR and LO recoil 'Tops is basically gone if it spins into Sucker Punch), and Water Absorb even allows it to effectively avoid Aqua Jet mind-games. Considering how effective spinners are, complimented by the fact that most teams are / should be getting more prepared for Smeargle leads, offensive Spikes users are very cool when available, and Cacturne is definitely a solid user of it. I lean towards Top C / Low B, though additional input would be super x_x


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    So Glalie is basically the niche-iest 'mon I've ever used, I swear x_x I mean I have been able to make a grand total of 1 team that legitimately used Glalie "well" (Glalie l Snover l Rotom-F / Glaceon l Kabutops l 'Queen l Spiritomb, for the record), just as a example of how niche Glalie is. Essentially Glalie should be exclusively run in an spike-stacking offense Hail team, and even then it does struggle for a slot with Qwilfish. In light of that, D Rank is really the most appropriate for it, as neat as it is =(

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