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Which Way Out? - A DPP Guide to Trapping Opponents GP: 1/2

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Erodent, Sep 11, 2009.

  1. Erodent


    Aug 22, 2008
    Status: Posted

    I've been working on this for 2 weeks; hope you enjoy!
    This is a guide that describes various methods of how to Trap (and hopefully take advantage of) opponents. This is my second guide here and I hope you find it useful! I also encourage all of you to criticize, spot any mistakes in, and recommend things to add into this guide. I asked Jimbo about this and he thought that this guide would have some use, so I hope it isn't a waste of time. (Thanks Jimbo!)

    -Does anyone disapprove of me adding the sets of various Trappers into the guide? If enough opposition is voiced, I will remove them. I did it mainly so that people wouldn't have to click an analyses and so that they got a brief idea of what the Trapper's sets would look like.
    -What should I expand on / delete? Why? What important ideas / Pokemon did I miss?
    -I capitalized all the words containing "Trap" in them. If people disagree with the capitalization, i will decapitalize all appropriate "Trap" words.

    Everything beyond these dotted lines is part of the guide.

    Table of Contents
    • Section 1 - Introduction
    • Section 2 - The Fundamentals of Trapping
    • Section 3 - Methods of Trapping

      • Section 4 - Pokemon with Trapping Abilities
      • Section 5 - Pursuit
      • Section 6 - Moves that can "Permanently" Prevent Escape
      • Section 7 - Moves that can Temporarily Prevent Escape
    • Section 8 - Bringing it All Together (Trapping Review & Examples of Trapping Strategies)
    • Section 9 - Additional Useful Resources

    Section 1 - Introduction

    The transition from the third generation (RSE) to the fourth generation (DPP) has experienced several noteworthy changes, such as the physical-special split, the introduction of Choice Specs and Choice Scarf, and, of course, a myriad of new and deadly threats. Despite all of these new additions, some concepts have remained the same. Traditional strategies such as Baton Pass and setting up Substitutes are still very much seen today. More importantly, however, the concept of Trapping in Pokemon is still extremely viable in DPP play. By executing Trapping-related strategies at correct and specific times, it is usually possible for you to emerge in an advantageous position over your opponent. This guide describes and highlights effective methods of Trapping an opponent, in addition to explaining why Trapping is such a big part of any competitive Pokemon metagame.

    Section 2 - The Fundamentals of Trapping

    In order to understand how to Trap, we must first understand what exactly Trapping is. Here are some thematic ideas that relate to this tactic:
    • Trapping should make it difficult (or impossible) for an opponent to switch out.
    • A player that attempts Trapping should benefit from doing so.
    • On some occasions, Trapping should remove problematic opponents from a match.
    • On other occasions, Trapping should be used to set up on opponents.
    Keep these ideas in mind as you read this guide. The four bullet points above provide a general idea of the purposes and goals of Trapping. An important term that is closely associated to Trapping is Revenge Killing. To put it simply (courtesy of The Pokemon Dictionary, an essential glossary of competitive terms), Revenge Killing is to KO an opposing Pokemon immediately after one of your own Pokemon has fainted, therefore avoiding the risk of switching into an attack. From the definitions of both the terms "Revenge Kill" and "Trapper", you can probably infer that some revenge killers are Trappers.

    While this is true, remember that this is not always the case! In many situations, Trapping is far from Revenge Killing at all. Therefore, it is essential to realize the differences between Revenge Killing and certain types of Trapping.

    This brings us to the question, "Why Trap at all?" To answer this question, let us further investigate the four bullet points listed earlier in this section.

    1. "Trapping makes it difficult (or impossible) for an opponent to switch out."
    As the word "Trap" suggests, Trapping should make an opponent rethink their decision to switch out. The opponent will often find themselves asking, "Should I stay in or switch out?" Obviously, both actions have their consequences. The player that predicts correctly will usually emerge triumphant - for example, let's assume that you have a Scizor at 100% and your opponent has a Celebi at 50%. Since Scizor is usually able to survive anything Celebi fires at it except Hidden Power Fire, the obvious choice to make is to use Pursuit to finish the Celebi off - it is as good as dead For more information on Pursuit, please see Section 5 - Pursuit.

    Even better is if it is impossible for an opponent to switch out (as long as your Trapper stays alive). For more information on how to do this, please see Section 6 - Moves that can "Permanently" Prevent Escape.

    2. "A player that attempts Trapping should benefit from doing so."
    This goal is rather obvious - after all, why bother Trapping if you don't gain anything useful from it? This goal is highly related to the upcoming ones. In order to "benefit from Trapping," you must achieve productive results from any Trapping process you might execute. This comes in the form of either knocking out an opponent from play, or setting up on one. The next two goals explore this in a more thorough manner.

    3. "On some occasions, Trapping should remove problematic opponents from a match."
    This is one of the most important aims of Trapping. Is that Skarmory troubling you by setting up layers and layers of Spikes that cripple your switch-ins? Is that Tyranitar ruining your Rain Dance team? Well, Trap them to get rid of them once and for all! There is no doubt that by eliminating some of these unbelievably annoying threats, your team will function more effectively as a whole. What makes Trapping so worthwhile is that by doing so, you can check potential threats and prevent them from ever making your life difficult again (at least for the duration of one match). Details on how to Trap will be explained in the upcoming sections.

    4. "On other occasions, Trapping should be used to set up on opponents."
    Sometimes, the goal of Trapping might not be to KO an opponent, but to take advantage of it in all ways possible. In other words, you should not KO it just yet, but "use" it to set up! Consider the following situation as an example. Let's say that you have an Umbreon with heavy physical defensive EV investment. Your opponent switches out into a Choice Band Scizor, and you use Mean Look on the Scizor. The Scizor will now keep using Superpower, but its Attack will continuously decrease, and it can't 2HKO Umbreon just yet, because let's assume that your Umbreon has Wish + Protect. Anyway, now that you've Trapped Scizor and it's doing pitiful damage due to the Attack drops from Superpower, Baton Pass is to something that can set up! In this example we will assume that you Baton Pass to Gyarados. Since Baton Passing Mean Look makes Scizor unable to switch, your Gyarados can now set up 6 full Dragon Dances, while Scizor is forced to use Superpower! The conclusion: since you've successfully Trapped your opponent and set up 6 Dragon Dances, you are now free to sweep your entire opponent's team at +6 Atk and +6 Spe. For more information on various Trapping methods, please read the upcoming sections.

    While the situation described in the previous paragraph is terrific, don't underestimate your opponents. Trapping is not always easy to execute; precise steps must be taken to guarantee success. The next number of sections will present different techniques with which you can Trap opponents. Make sure you are able to achieve your goal, though. Never rely on luck or chance to help your Trapping strategy do well.

    Section 3 - Methods of Trapping

    As has been explained in the previous section, Trapping has different goals: to KO opponents, to set up on them, and to prevent or make it hard for them to switch. How, then, do we ensure that we achieve these objectives? Diamond and Pearl has a number of useful methods that can be used to Trap opponents:
    • The use of certain abilities. Some abilities prevent opponents from switching out. See Section 4 for in-depth information.
    • The use of the move Pursuit. Pursuit is a 40 Base Power Dark-type move that doubles in power and hits an opponent if it switches out. See Section 5 for in-depth information.
    • The use of permanent Trapping moves. As long as the user of such moves is alive and remains in play, the opponent will be unable to switch. See Section 6 for in-depth information.
    • The use of temporary Trapping moves. As long as the user of such moves is alive and remains in play, the opponent will be unable to switch for as long as the effect of the temporary Trapping moves remain. See Section 7 for in-depth information.
    The four methods mentioned above are the primarily recognized Trapping tactics. Additional strategies that can help players in battles are provided in their respective sections. However, I would like to encourage you to be creative. Trapping is an Art; its execution displays creativity. By coming up with individual and effective strategies of your own, it is more likely that your opponent will fall for your Trap. Travel through the corners of your mind and don't be limited to what is listed in this guide - it should not be used as a manual; it should be used as a series of ideas.

    Section 4 - Pokemon with Trapping Abilities

    Disregarding NFEs, there are five Pokemon with Trapping abilities in the game. To make this worse, one of them is Uber. This means that you really don't have many options to work with, and this method of Trapping is extremely predictable. However, that doesn't mean it's ineffective. Your opponent may know what's coming, but by preventing them from switching out, the chances of them being unable to do much are good. Three of these Pokemon are commonly used in competitive Pokemon and will be the focus of this discussion:

    Dugtrio - Arena Trap
    Since the Advance generation, Dugtrio has been one of the best revenge killers and Trappers available. Its Arena Trap ability prevents all Pokemon, except Flying-types and Pokemon with the Levitate ability, from switching. As such, Dugtrio is often sent in to prey on foes like Magnezone, Heatran, Electivire, Infernape, and other similar threats that it can OHKO. Dugtrio relies on OHKOing opponents to win - its 35/50/75 defenses ensures that it will rarely survive powerful hits. While base 80 Attack might sound shabby, Dugtrio has reasonably powerful moves to work with. It gets STAB on Earthquake, elevating the Base Power of the Ground-type move from 100 to 150. Combine that with Stone Edge and Dugtrio now wields the EdgeQuake combo, resisted by only a small number of Pokemon in the game. Dugtrio also has base 120 Speed, enabling it to outrun many threats in the OU and UU metagame, including all versions of Magnezone, Tyranitar, and non-Choice Scarf Blaziken. What happens next is unavoidable - Dugtrio blasts them all away with a super effective Earthquake, essentially ridding the field of them once and for all (make sure they have taken some prior damage, though; Dugtrio isn't always able to OHKO all versions of them)! Dugtrio can generally be used to Trap opponents that fall into the specially bulky category, like Tyranitar and Blissey.

    An example of an effective Dugtrio moveset is something along the lines of:

    Dugtrio @ Choice Band
    Ability: Arena Trap
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Nature: Jolly (+Spe, -SpA)
    ~ Earthquake
    ~ Stone Edge
    ~ Sucker Punch
    ~ Aerial Ace

    In addition, Dugtrio's pre-evolution, Diglett, is equally as menacing in the Little Cup metagame. A Dugtrio-Magnezone combo is excellent in terms of Trapping; Dugtrio can remove Pokemon like Blissey and Tyranitar from the match, while Magnezone can remove Pokemon like Skarmory and Forretress.

    Magnezone - Magnet Pull
    In Advance, players had to use Magneton to Trap opposing Steel-types. In DPP, however, Magneton was given an evolution - Magnezone! Although Magneton is viable in the lower tiers and is a little faster than Magnezone, Magnezone has superior stats in just about everything else. Magnezone has one main purpose in terms of Trapping - its ability might give you a hint. Magnet Pull prevents Steel-types from switching out! In addition, Magnezone has a 4x resistance to Steel-type moves, making switching into Bullet Punches and Meteor Mashes tenfold easier. At first glance, Magnezone seems to be a flawless Steel-type Trapper with that insane Special Attack stat. However, it must be extremely cautious when attempting to combat Steel-types. For example, Metagross can survive a Thunderbolt and use Earthquake to OHKO Magnezone. This resulted in the popularization of two sets: the Magnet Rise Steel Trapper and the Choice Scarf Steel Trapper. The first has an extremely easy time with the likes of Metagross and Bronzong; the second has a field day with the likes of Scizor and Empoleon. However, if played correctly, Magnezone is an excellent candidate for Trapping all kinds of Steel-types. Most Steel-types tend to have high Defense stats and can be problematic for a physically-based team. Magnezone can easily come in and remove opposing Steel-types from a match, allowing your physical attackers to shine.

    Here is the Magnet Rise Steel Trapper set:

    Magnezone @ Leftovers
    Ability: Magnet Pull
    EVs: 172 HP / 252 SpA / 84 Spe
    Nature: Modest (+SpA, -Atk)
    ~ Substitute
    ~ Magnet Rise
    ~ Thunderbolt
    ~ Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Fire

    The Choice Scarf set is similar, but with Flash Cannon and Explosion over Substitute and Magnet Rise. Either way, Magnezone can still dispatch Skarmory (without a Shed Shell), whichever set it chooses to use. The rest is about personal preference - Magnezone will have a safer time against Steel-types that can use Earthquake if it uses the Magnet Rise set; however, the extra Speed might be beneficial if it decides to use the Choice Scarf set. Like Dugtrio, Magnezone's first evolutionary form, Magnemite, is a prevalent force in Little Cup. Also, to complete the Magnet Trapping family, Magneton is viable in lower tier play to get rid of threats like Registeel and Steelix. Magnezone is for the most part walled by Blissey, so something like Machamp can help Magnezone out.

    Wobbuffet - Shadow Tag
    Wobbuffet is an Uber Pokemon whose ability is arguably the best, as far as Trapping goes. To put it briefly, Shadow Tag prevents anything without a Shed Shell from switching out! This, along with Wobbuffet's strange movepool, is the major contributing factor that banished Wobbuffet into Uber play. One thing that can be said about Wobbuffet is that it absolutely loves Choice Pokemon. It can simply come in on a Choice Pokemon and use either Counter or Mirror Coat to hopefully OHKO it. Wobbuffet's major downfall is that it lacks a recovery move. Unable to use Rest, Wobbuffet must rely on Leftovers healing instead. Still, Wobbuffet's usefulness definitely speaks louder than its poor defenses, and it remains a solid Trapper in the Uber metagame.

    Here is Wobbuffet's Standard set:

    Wobbuffet @ Leftovers
    Ability: Shadow Tag
    EVs: 28 HP / 228 Def / 252 SpD Nature
    Nature: Bold / Calm
    ~ Counter
    ~ Mirror Coat
    ~ Encore
    ~ Safeguard / Tickle

    In case you were wondering, Wobbuffet's pre-evolution, Wynaut, is Uber as well.

    As has been mentioned at the beginning of this section, the selection of Pokemon with Trapping abilities is extremely limited. The next section will describe an alternative form of Trapping - not through specific Pokemon abilities, but through the godsend of a move known as Pursuit.

    Section 5 - Pursuit

    Opponent withdrew Celebi!
    Tyranitar used Pursuit!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Celebi fainted!

    You may have heard of the curious move "Pursuit" that seems to be able to cripple an opponent's team severely. What makes Pursuit unique is that it is the only move in the game with a special Trapping effect. This effect is identical to the effect in the scenario described above. But how does Pursuit work?

    In the Advance generation, Pursuit was a special move. With DPP's physical-special split, however, Pursuit experienced a serious change that brought fame and recognition to some of today's most dangerous threats - it became physical instead. In terms of its other aspects, though, not much has changed. Pursuit is still a 40 Base Power Dark-type move with an accuracy of 100% and a base PP of 20. Descriptions of effective Pursuit users will not be provided just yet, though. To use Pursuit to its fullest potential, we must first understand several of the mechanics that piece Pursuit together:
    • Pursuit doubles in base power if it hits a Pokemon that withdraws.
    • Pursuit hits opponents that use U-turn as well. (However, slow U-turn users do not take double power from Pursuit).
    • Pursuit does not hit opponents that use Baton Pass.
    • A glitch in the Japanese versions of DP allows Choiced Pokemon to use Pusuit on a target Pokemon that is switching out, and then proceed to change its move on the next turn. This glitch was fixed in the translated versions.
    Despite all this, you might still be unconvinced of the true extent of Pursuit's power. The answer that explains its popularity is simple - because Pursuit is a Dark-type move, it can be most effectively used to Trap Ghost- and Psychic-types for good. A good number of these Pokemon are dangerous threats, and by eliminating them, the Trapper's team will often have the edge. Because Pursuit was a special move in Advance, Pokemon like Alakazam and Gengar, who have significantly higher Special Defense than Defense, could take advantage of this. Now, however, circumstances have changed.

    Additionally, Pursuit can also be used to finish off Pokemon that are too weak to survive it or are low on health. Since Pursuit prevents opponents from switching (unless they wish to take even more damage), such Pokemon are as good as dead.

    Let us now observe some of the most successful users of Pursuit in the game.

    Scizor - Technician
    There is a high probability that any player associated with competitive DPP play is familiar with Scizor and what it does. Scizor is more than just a fantastic Pursuit user; it's one of the best Trappers in the game. The main reason for this is that Scizor's high base 130 Attack is combined with a number of tricky moves that seem to be exclusively designed for it! Scizor has excellent typing that grants it a useful number of resistances and excellent offensive dual-STAB. With U-turn, Bullet Punch, and Pursuit, Scizor just dares its opponent to play guessing games with it - for example, a Starmie has to wonder if Scizor will use U-turn or Pursuit against it! Scizor's reasonable bulk and access to the three previously mentioned moves allow it to keep threats like Celebi and Gengar at bay (provided that they do not have Hidden Power Fire).

    This is the Choice Band Scizor set, a classic example of a terrorizing Trapper:

    Scizor @ Choice Band
    Ability: Technician
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
    Nature: Adamant
    ~ Pursuit
    ~ Bullet Punch
    ~ U-turn
    ~ Superpower

    One thing to note about Scizor is that it is an established Trapper in the Uber tier as well! Next, Scizor's pre-evolution, Scyther, is actually faster than it and is even deemed too powerful for Little Cup play. Hence, Scyther can commonly be seen in the lower tiers instead. Scizor's attacks do pitiful damage to the likes of Skarmory, Forretress, and the Rotom formes. Flamethrower/Toxic Wish Blissey can deal with some of these threats, while being able to heal Scizor up along the way.

    Tyranitar - Sand Stream
    Like Scizor, Tyranitar is one of the best Pursuit users in the game. Although Tyranitar's Pursuit doesn't get a Technician boost, it does get STAB. Pair this with Tyranitar's incredible base 134 Attack and you have a monster at your hands. Tyranitar has the unique Sand Stream ability, which summons a permanent sandstorm unless the weather is overridden by another. Since Tyranitar is part Rock-type, it gains a 1.5x Special Defense boost in the sand, allowing it to take hits from specially based Psychic-types (which happens to be the majority of them) particularly well. Tyranitar also has a Dark typing, which allows it to switch into Psychic-type moves like Azelf's and Alakazam's Psychic with ease and Trap them with Pursuit. There are several ways to go about using Pursuit Tyranitar, but one of the most common versions is the Choice Scarf set:

    Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Sand Stream
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Nature: Jolly
    ~ Stone Edge
    ~ Crunch
    ~ Pursuit
    ~ Earthquake / Superpower

    The Pokemon that evolve into Tyranitar unfortunately lack both its typing and ability, making them lesser-used options in competitive play. Larvitar can still make use of a Dragon Dance set in Little Cup, though. Tyranitar generally has problems with bulky Water-types like Swampert. A Pokemon like Zapdos can seriously help it out.

    Weavile - Pressure
    Enough with the bulky Pursuit users already! Are you looking for a more offensive assassin? Weavile is undoubtedly the Pokemon for the job. Excellent Attack and Speed make Weavile an obvious candidate to use Pursuit, and its Pursuit is powered up even more by STAB. What makes Weavile an excellent Trapper is that if a Choice Band is equipped onto it, its Pursuit will be powerful enough to OHKO Gengar, Alakazam, and some Azelf even if they stay in. This is obviously a big deal; Weavile is immune to Psychic and resists Shadow Ball, meaning that it can come in on either of these threats without too many problems. It also has access to Ice Shard, enabling it to OHKO Dragon-types that already have several Speed and Attack boosts under their belts, like Dragon Dance Dragonite or Dragon Dance Salamence. All of these qualities make Weavile an appealing Trapper and Revenge Killer.

    This is the renowned Choice Band Weavile set:

    Weavile @ Choice Band
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe
    Nature: Jolly
    ~ Pursuit
    ~ Ice Shard
    ~ Brick Break
    ~ Ice Punch / Night Slash

    Weavile's Pursuit can also OHKO Starmie if it switches. Needless to say, Night Slash OHKOes Azelf, Gengar, Alakazam, and Starmie, while putting nice dents in the likes of Celebi and Cresselia. The aid of Magnezone as a partner can help remove bulky Steel-types like Metagross and Skarmory from the match, and Weavile can be thankful for this.

    Metagross - Clear Body
    Metagross has neither Technician nor STAB to elevate the power of its Pursuit. What, then, makes it an effective Trapper? First is its bulk - its excellent Steel/Psychic typing comes together with 80/130/90 defenses, which can be insanely difficult to penetrate. Next is its whole arsenal of useful moves, including the powerful Meteor Mash, Explosion, and even Bullet Punch. These let Metagross play a similar role to Scizor, but without U-turn and a little less power. Metagross is a sturdy Pokemon that is not only offensive, but also defensive, making it a tempting choice of Pursuit Trapper. What differentiates Metagross from Scizor is that Metagross has superior bulk, especially on the special side. Finally, Metagross isn't 4x weak to Fire-type moves.

    Try out a bulky Pursuit Trapping Metagross that can make use of Bullet Punch as well:

    Metagross @ Leftovers
    Abilty: Clear Body
    EVs: 252 HP / 236 Atk / 12 Def / 8 Spe
    Nature: Adamant
    ~ Pursuit
    ~ Bullet Punch
    ~ Explosion
    ~ Meteor Mash / Earthquake

    In terms of its pre-evolutions, Beldum and Metang are unfortunately significantly weaker than Metagross, whose base stats completely overshadow theirs. Like Weavile, Metagross will appreciate Magnezone's support as a partner, as Metagross is rather Forretress and Skarmory weak.

    Heracross - Swarm / Guts
    Heracross doesn't have too great a Pursuit, but it can still be used effectively. One attribute that makes Heracross an efficient Revenge Killer is its number of extremely powerful moves. Heracross has STAB in both Close Combat and Megahorn, powering these moves up to a Base Power of 180. Furthermore, it has base 125 Attack, which allows it to use rather effective Pursuits at times. With decent HP and Special Defense, Heracross can come in on the likes of Gengar, Celebi, and Starmie, use Pursuit on them, and remove them from the match. Starmie and Celebi in particular will be expecting Megahorn, so Pursuit can nail them on the switch. Heracross must, however, beware of Psychic-type attacks; it is one of the viable Pursuit users that is weak to the likes of Psychic and Psycho Cut. However, with both Megahorn and Pursuit, it can leave an opponent guessing whether to switch out from a Megahorn that will definitely OHKO, or stay in for fear of Pursuit. Close Combat is used to hit Steel-types that resist both of the mentioned moves.

    Heracross can effectively use a Choice Band:

    Heracross @ Choice Band
    Ability: Guts / Swarm
    EVs: 96 HP / 252 Atk / 160 Spe
    Nature: Adamant
    ~ Pursuit
    ~ Megahorn
    ~ Close Combat
    ~ Stone Edge

    Heracross is extremely weak to Skarmory, so partnering it up with Magnezone can help it spectacularly.

    Snorlax - Thick Fat / Immunity
    Pursuit Snorlax is unquestionably one of the bulkiest Trappers out there with excellent defenses of 160/65/110. With Thick Fat and a glorious Special Defense stat, Snorlax can take little damage from Pokemon like Gengar and Starmie while hitting them with Pursuit coming off a decent base 110 Attack. Snorlax is very simple to use; come in on Psychic- or Ghost-type Pokemon and blast them away with either Return, Crunch, or Pursuit. Don't forget that even though it's weak to Fighting-type moves, Snorlax can still take Focus Blast and Hidden Power Fighting, making it a consistent check to Psychic- and Ghost-types that are specially oriented (watch out for Trick, though!).

    An offensive yet bulky Snorlax proves to be a useful Trapper:

    Snorlax @ Leftovers
    Ability: Thick Fat
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpD
    Nature: Adamant Nature
    ~ Pursuit
    ~ Fire Punch
    ~ Return
    ~ Crunch / Earthquake

    Munchlax in the Little Cup Metagame follows the footsteps of Snorlax - it is designed to take special hits while Trapping foes with Pursuit. Snorlax does have problems with Ghost-types and Skarmory, so something similar to Tyraniboah can help clear its path.

    Drapion - Sniper / Battle Armor
    Drapion is yet another competent choice to assume the role of Pursuit Trapper, though mainly in UU. Drapion's unique Dark/Poison typing makes it weak to only Ground-type moves; at the same time, it is immune to Psychic-type moves, can absorb Toxic Spikes, and is resistant to Ghost-type moves. All these characteristics construct a fine Pursuit user, and Drapion is no exception. Drapion is also reasonably bulky, with 70/110/75 defenses. While its special defensive stats of 70/75 may sound low, they are actually deceptively bulky! With enough Special Defense EV investment, Drapion can come in on Pokemon like Mismagius and Life Orb Alakazam. From there, it can launch a STAB-boosted Crunch or Pursuit, based on what is assumed that the opponent will do, from a decent base 90 Attack. Don't forget its base 95 Speed, too!

    Drapion can attempt a Choice set:

    Drapion @ Choice Band
    Ability: Sniper
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Nature: Adamant
    ~ Pursuit
    ~ Night Slash / Crunch
    ~ Earthquake
    ~ Poison Jab / Fire Fang

    Drapion mainly experiences problems with bulky Ground- and Steel-types. Magnet Rise/Hidden Power Ice Magneton can help it out to some degree.

    Only nine Pursuit users have been listed, but you are by no means limited to using them. As I mentioned before, elements of creativity are important building blocks in the Art of Trapping. Please go beyond what is listed and try out the many other Pursuit users out there, however predictable or unpredictable they may be. For example, Spiritomb and Skuntank are rather interesting options for Pursuit users. The only way to successfully use Pursuit is to practice and experiment, so do open the way to explore new frontiers.

    What else can you do with Pursuit?

    A strategy that is more thoroughly described in Section 9 will be briefly summarized here.

    If you have been reading the information about Pursuit, you're probably wondering about some specific strategies that can be used to "abuse Pursuit." Well, think about it. In order for Pursuit to become more threatening, it is expected that your opponent must switch. How do you make your opponents switch? The answer is simple: moves that lower the opponent's Defense will put it at a very uncomfortable spot - it is extremely prone to getting KOed by Pursuit, whether it switches or not. An example of a set that employs such a tactic is as follows:

    Skuntank @Leftovers
    Ability: Aftermath
    EVs: 24 HP / 252 Atk / 232 Spe
    Nature: Adamant
    ~ Pursuit
    ~ Screech
    ~ Explosion
    ~ Crunch

    With 103/67/61 defenses, Skuntank can be classified as being fairly bulky. The idea of this set is for Skuntank to tank around and repeatedly use Screech on an opponent until they try to flee in fear due to their reduced physical Defense. When you are certain that the opponent will flee, Pursuit hammers them on the switch; a STAB Pursuit coming off 93 Attack that hits a -6 Def Pokemon is sure to either OHKO or put a massive dent in anything that becomes victimized by this Defense-lowering Move + Pursuit combination.

    For your reference, these are the moves that lower an opponent's Defense: Leer (-1 Def), Tail Whip (-1 Def), Tickle (-1 Atk -1 Def), and Screech (-2 Def). Rock Smash and Crush Claw can lower an opponent's Defense by (-1 Def) 50% of the time, Crunch can lower an opponent's Defense by (-1 Def) 20% of the time, and Iron Tail can lower an opponent's Defense by (-1 Def) 30% of the time. If opponents use Close Combat (-1 Def -1 SpD) or Superpower (-1 Def -1 Atk), they will receive self-induced Defense drops as well.

    More information and examples of this strategy can be found in Section 8.

    Section 6 - Moves that can "Permanently" Prevent Escape

    Maybe you're scratching your head and thinking that Pursuit just isn't your thing. Maybe you want to shame your victim by setting up on it and giving it a sense of hopelessness. Or maybe you just want to be unique by staying away from the bog-standard Pokemon with Trapping abilities or Pursuit Trappers. Well, this section will teach you yet another way of Trapping an opponent that doesn't necessarily involve having a Trapper deal the damage.

    There are three moves in the game that can be used to "permanently" Trap an opponent. These non-damaging moves do one simple thing: prevent an opponent from switching. Also, you may have noticed that the word "permanently" is in quotation marks. This is because there are a few exceptions to this rule:
    • Opponents holding a Shed Shell may still switch out.
    • Opponents may still switch out via U-turn or Baton Pass.
    • The effect of such "Permanent-Trapping Moves" is lost if the user switches out or faints.
    Bullet point 3 is without a doubt the most important one to consider. Does it make this strategy ineffective altogether? Fortunately, there are ways to get around this. By having the user of the "Permanent-Trap Move" Baton Pass to another team member, the effect of the "Permanent-Trap Move" remains in effect.

    What then, are the three mysterious moves that can "Permanently" Trap an opponent? The first one is by far the most common - Mean Look. Mean Look is a Normal-type move that has a base PP of 5. Next comes Spider Web, a Bug-type move with a base PP of 10. Finally comes Block. Block and Mean Look are basically identical - Block is also a Normal-type move with a base PP of 5. All of these moves ignore evasion modifiers, meaning that they will never, ever miss.

    Disregarding NFEs, there are 26 Pokemon in the game that can make use of the three moves. Out of these 26, only 4 can use Baton Pass. While this fact appears discouraging, remember that all 26 of these Pokemon do not necessarily need to use Baton Pass; they can simply Trap an opponent and attack it from there.

    Baton Pass Trappers
    The main purpose of Baton Pass Trapping is to use Mean Look / Spider Web / Block, preventing the opponent from switching, and subsequently Baton Passing to a team member that can take advantage of the Trapped opponent.

    Umbreon - Synchronize
    Umbreon is the true definition of team support. With access to Baton Pass and valuable moves like Tickle, Curse, Wish, and Yawn, Umbreon can be used as a scout, cleric, or even as a set-up Pokemon. More importantly, however, Umbreon can Baton Pass Mean Look, and it can do this rather effortlessly. Umbreon is among the bulkiest of the Eeveelutions with great defensive stats of 95/110/130. These stats allow it to survive even relatively well-powered Fighting- and Bug-type moves like Brick Break and X-Scissor. All of the previously mentioned supportive moves make Umbreon a fantastic candidate to pave the way for a teammate to come in and possibly set up on an opponent. One of Umbreon's drawbacks, however, is its mediocre Speed. This often allows it to be preyed upon by the move Taunt, forcing it to attack an opponent with its rather pitiful offensive stats.

    Various Umbreon sets are designed to Baton Pass many different effects, but for the sake of this guide we shall examine a Baton Pass Trapper set:

    Umbreon @ Leftovers
    EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 Spe
    Nature: Careful Nature

    ~ Mean Look
    ~ Baton Pass
    ~ Wish
    ~ Protect / Yawn / Taunt

    Make sure to realize that Umbreon hates facing powerful Fighting- and Bug-type moves. Putting it up against moves like Close Combat and Megahorn is overestimating its defensive capabilities, and that is never a good idea.

    Smeargle - Own Tempo / Technician
    Because it can learn each and every move in the game except Struggle and Chatter, Smeargle is one of the most versatile Pokemon in the game. It can use a diverse series of move combinations that can leave an opponent guessing as to what tricks a particular Smeargle has up its sleeve. Due to the limited number of "Permanent Trap-Move" users that can also use Baton Pass, none other than Smeargle can do this job. Smeargle also has the fastest Spore in the game, guaranteeing to put an opponent to sleep if Smeargle is faster than it. However, note that Smeargle is a one-trick pony. Don't expect your opponent to fall for a Trap two times in a match; chances are, they will counter Smeargle before it can repeat a strategy. Furthermore, with defenses of 55/35/45, Smeargle isn't going to survive many attacks anytime soon.

    Try a Spider Web Smeargle:

    Smeargle @ Focus Sash / Lum Berry / Leftovers
    Own Tempo
    EVs: 96 HP / 120 Def / 40 SpD / 252 Spe
    Nature: Jolly

    ~ Spider Web
    ~ Baton Pass
    ~ Spore
    ~ Substitute / Encore

    Spider Web is generally preferred over Mean Look due to its higher PP. If and when Smeargle successfully Baton Passes Spider Web to a team member, make sure the same team member can abuse the Trapped opponent to the fullest extent.

    Perish Song Trappers

    The main purpose of Perish Song Trapping is to use Mean Look / Spider Web, preventing an opponent from switching, and subsequently using Perish Song to stall three turns out. Perish Song is a move that KOes all Pokemon in play within three turns of its usage, including the user. By preventing an opponent from switching, Perish Song can effortlessly KO them after three turns, while the user can safely switch out.

    Gengar - Levitate
    With three immunities, Gengar is an excellent choice to function as a Perish Trapper, even if it isn't incredibly bulky. Gengar also has high Speed, a quality that allows it to stall out turns with the use of Substitute and/or Protect. Bring Gengar in on something that can't do anything to it (or something it scares out), and work your way from there. Beware of priority moves, however; those are what tend to ruin this set! The following is an example of a Perish Trapping Gengar set:

    Gengar @ Leftovers
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Nature: Timid Nature
    ~ Mean Look
    ~ Perish Song
    ~ Substitute / Protect
    ~ Protect / Hypnosis

    As stated before, Gengar encounters problems with Priority users like Scizor and Mamoswine, so eliminating anything that is faster than Gengar can help it out immensely. Ideal supportive team members include Metagross and Heatran.

    Mismagius - Levitate
    Mismagius is simply another Gengar with a different distribution of stats. Mismagius is generally bulkier than Gengar, and thus, is EVed to focus on its defenses rather than its Speed. While it may seem that Mismagius can only be effectively used in the lower tiers, this accusation cannot be further away from the truth - some battlers even argue that Mismagius is better than Gengar at this job! Don't be discouraged by false statements that present Mismagius in a negative light - Gengar and Mismagius are played differently, and you should select the more suitable choice for your team. Here is a Perish Trapping Mismagius set:

    Mismagius @ Leftovers
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 216 SpD / 40 Spe
    Nature: Calm Nature
    ~ Mean Look
    ~ Perish Song
    ~ Protect
    ~ Taunt / Substitute / Pain Split

    While Mismagius is typically walled by Chansey, Clefable, and even some Steel-types, this set remedies the problem. Mismagius can simply set up the Perish Song Trap and stall three turns out with the appropriate moves.

    Pokemon with "Permanent" Trapping moves can be used in other ways as well. For example, let's say you send in a Snorlax against a Starmie. The Starmie will stay in because it is afraid of Pursuit and hopes to deal damage before it goes down. Your Snorlax can then use Mean Look and possibly set up on the same Starmie with Curse. This is an example of a strategy that involves neither Perish Trapping or Baton Passing.

    Section 7 - Moves that can Temporarily Prevent Escape

    The simple truth about moves that temporarily prevent escape is that few players bother using them. However, this is not to say that they are not effective. Since not many players use temporary Trapping moves, a wide range of opponents don't even know they exist. You can use this to your advantage, especially if your opponents don't know the effects of the appropriate temporary Trapping moves.

    There are seven moves in the game that are classified as temporary Trapping moves - Bind, Clamp, Wrap, Fire Spin, Whirlpool, Sand Tomb, and Magma Storm. The characteristics and effects of these moves can be found in the following list:
    • Each move lasts only 2-5 turns.
    • Each turn, the move takes away 1/16 of an opponent's HP.
    • If the user of temporary Trapping moves holds a Grip Claw, the duration of the Trap is always 5 turns.
    It should be noted that each turn, no matter how many temporary Trapping moves you use on your opponent, only 1/16 of your opponent's health will be sapped. Therefore, do not even consider trying to use 4 temporary Trapping moves on your opponent while expecting them to do 4/16 (1/4) damage to your opponent every turn.

    Only one user of temporary Trapping moves will be examined. This user is possibly the most "viable" user of such moves due to its interesting movepool:

    Shuckle - Gluttony / Sturdy
    Shuckle has pitiful HP, but it also has monstrous defenses to compensate for that. It works especially well in the sand, where it can be extremely aggravating to take down. Shuckle is an effective user of Wrap because it has access to Encore, which can transform it into something following the footsteps of Wobbuffet, except without Shadow Tag:

    Shuckle @ Grip Claw
    EVs: 248 HP / 44 Def / 216 SpD
    Nature: Careful / Impish Nature

    ~ Wrap
    ~ Encore
    ~ Bide
    ~ Rest / Toxic

    The idea of this set is simple - first, use Wrap on your opponent to prevent it from switching out. Next, have Shuckle use Encore - hopefully your opponent's attacks deal little damage to Shuckle. From there, you can use Bide to counter any damage that might have been done to Shuckle, Rest to heal, or use Toxic to do more damage to the same opponent. You can also use a Wrap + Toxic + Rest set to simply stall your opponent out until it faints.

    Another option for the job of using a temporary Trapping move is Heatran, who has the exclusive Magma Storm. Magma Storm can be used to Trap Blissey; Heatran can OHKO it with Explosion if its health has been reduced through various forms of prior damage.

    Section 8 - Bringing it All Together (Trapping Review & Examples of Trapping Strategies)

    Before we proceed, let us observe this table, which is a summary of the methods of Trapping highlighted in the previous sections. Hopefully this table gives you a clear idea of the purposes and effective subjects of different types of Trapping.

    To get ourselves on the same page, let's briefly analyze the types of Trapping again:

    [This will be a table] - Trapping Type (Description)
    • TRAPPING VIA ABILITIES (The use of Pokemon with Trapping abilities)
    • PURSUIT (The use of Pursuit to deal damage to an opponent that doubles if it switches out)
    • "PERMANENT" TRAPPING (The use of Mean Look, Block, and Spider Web to prevent an opponent from switching)
    • TEMPORARY TRAPPING (The use of Bind, Clamp, Whirlpool, Fire Spin, Sand Tomb, Magma Storm, and Wrap to prevent an opponent from switching)
    If you are a skeptical person, chances are you will still be asking questions. Possibly the most important one is "Why Trap at All"? This perennial question has been discussed throughout the guide, but this table exists to summarize the answer to the question.

    [This will be a table] - Trapping Type (Why Use It)
    • TRAPPING VIA ABILITIES (To remove specific opponents - for example, Dugtrio can eliminate many special walls; Magnezone can eliminate many physical walls.)
    • PURSUIT (To deal damage to opponents regardless of whether they stay in or switch out; Pursuit is used mainly against Psychic- or Ghost-type opponents. For example, Tyranitar uses Pursuit to finish off Alakazam that is locked onto Psychic - it is OHKOed even if it switches out.)
    • "PERMANENT" TRAPPING (To Baton Pass, set up on, attack, or use Perish Song against an opponent once it is Trapped. For example, Umbreon sets up Mean Look + Yawn on an opponent and Baton Passes to a teammate that can easily set up on or eliminate the opponent.)
    • TEMPORARY TRAPPING (To either set up on, attack, or stall out an opponent once it is Trapped. For example, Shuckle sets up Wrap + Encore to Trap an opponent and stalls it out with Toxic + Rest.)
    Now that we are associated and are hopefully knowledgeable enough about each method of Trapping, it's time to take it one step further. The next part of this section will provide examples of Trapping strategies that you can use in everyday matches. Remember, don't use whatever is provided in front of you - think up of new Trapping strategies by yourself!

    1. Screech / Swords Dance + Pursuit

    Idea: Use Screech to lower an opponent's Defense (or Swords Dance to increase the user's Attack), and then use Pursuit when it switches out. Sucker Punch can be used to really make your opponent think.

    Essential Candidates:
    Weavile - Swords Dance + Pursut
    Drapion - Swords Dance + Pursuit
    Scizor - Swords Dance + Pursuit
    Skuntank - Screech + Pursuit + Sucker Punch
    Honchkrow - Screech + Pursuit + Sucker Punch
    Tyranitar - Dragon Dance + Pursuit

    2. Trap Move + Set Up/Status Move + Baton Pass

    Idea: Use a Trap move to prevent an opponent from switching, set up on it or put it to sleep, and then Baton Pass to an appropriate team member with the Trap move's effect still in play.

    Essential Candidates:
    Umbreon - Mean Look + Baton Pass + Yawn + Wish + Curse
    Smeargle - Spider Web + Baton Pass + Spore + Any Set-Up Move
    Absol - Mean Look + Baton Pass + Swords Dance + Calm Mind + Wish + Curse

    3. Trap Move + Perish Song/Other Sure-to-KO Moves
    Idea: Use a Trap move to prevent an opponent from switching and eliminate it with the use of moves that are guaranteed to do so.

    Essential Candidates:
    Gengar - Mean Look + Perish Song + Destiny Bond + Counter
    Mismagius - Mean Look + Perish Song + Destiny Bond
    Gallade - Mean Look + Destiny Bond

    4. Trap (Move) + Dual Screens

    Idea: Use Pokemon with Trapping abilities or Pokemon with Trap moves to set up dual screens on the opponent. Having Selfdestruct or Explosion is a plus.

    Essential Candidates:
    Magnezone - Reflect + Light Screen + Explosion (Magnet Pull)
    Gardevoir - Mean Look + Reflect + Light Screen + Healing Wish + Destiny Bond
    Bronzong - Block + Reflect + Light Screen + Explosion

    5. Temporary Trap Move + Bide/Other Annoying Moves

    Idea: Use a Trap move that slowly inflicts damage to the opponent until they can be KOed with a stronger move, such as Explosion.

    Shuckle - Wrap + Bide + Encore
    Heatran - Magma Storm + Explosion

    All five strategies above are a collection of ideas that you can use and implement. Many might sound "gimmicky," but can be perfected with a little bit of work. I cannot stress how important it is to follow the path of nonconformity and use sets that are bizarre yet effective. As Einstein once said, "If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it."

    Section 9 - Additional Useful Resources

    Are you still feeling doubtful about some of the content covered in this guide? Do you want to tackle some related readings that can handily work alongside this guide? Try a few of these other resources, then!

    Stark Mountain - What better place to ask questions than Smogon's center of 4th generation competitive Pokemon discussion? Please ask in the "Ask a simple question, get a simple answer" thread as opposed to making an entirely new thread just to address a question or two. Smogon members are trustworthy sources of information and they really know what they're talking about.
    DP Team Support Guide - This is a very effective guide that describes the various ways of supporting teams. Ideas for using Trappers can be based on the many supportive options available in the article.
    Featured Trap Team - This team, built by Giant Enemy Crab, is a perfect example of trapping in action. The team's triumphs are largely based on its concept of eliminating threats one by one with the use of trappers. Giant Enemy Crab also makes use of moves such as U-turn and Baton Pass to seriously confuse opponents. This model RMT should be used as a guideline when building a trap team of your own - proof of this excellent team's success lies in Giant Enemy Crab's 91% win record. It is rather outdated, but its ideas should be used as the building blocks of trap teams players intend to create!

    This concludes the guide. I hope that you have learnt a thing or two about Trapping. I also hope that you will use this knowledge to increase the productivity of your battling skills. Good luck!
  2. Xia

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    Nov 2, 2007
    This is very well-written and extremely informative. In fact, I can't think of anything that really needs added or excluded. Congrats. =]

    EDIT: Now that I look through it, I don't believe trap should be capitalized, for the same reason we don't capitalize speed tiers (both are forum-made terms).
  3. Stylish Interval

    Stylish Interval

    Mar 29, 2009
    I dislike myself for not being able to figure out this quote thing, anyway I did find one mistake.

    Under Dugtrio for Arena Trap, you list a "Diglett-Magnezone Combo" and go on to talk about Dugtrio and Magnezone working together. Did you mean for Diglett to be Dugtrio, because that it what it appears to be.

    Liked the guide, but I agree with Xia that trap should not be capitalized.
  4. Erodent


    Aug 22, 2008
    Gotcha PokeN3rd, I fixed the Dugtrio thing >.>
    Thanks Xia :)

    I'll get to work on decapitalizing "trap" (except in headings and titles) then.
  5. shiny vaporeon

    shiny vaporeon

    Sep 5, 2009
    congrats very good guide. will certainly be of great help to people who havent quite grasped the whole idea of trappping.
  6. Witnessed


    Aug 15, 2009
    Great guide Erodent. Trapping definately deserves a fabulous guide like this!
  7. bugmaniacbob

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    Sep 19, 2008
    One thing I noticed, Heracross has 125 base Attack, not 120.

    Other than that, great job.
  8. imperfectluck

    is a Past WCoP Championwon the 7th Official Smogon Tournament

    Mar 18, 2005
    This doesn't show the benefits of trapping, this is showcasing a coinflip.

    39% of Skarmories used Shed Shell in August, Suicune is hardly an easy Pokemon to 'trap.' Hardly the best examples.

    Because Scizor would use Superpower why? Even if it didn't use U-Turn, CB Superpower to 252/252 +def Umbreon is still a solid 2hko, 74.1-87.3% on the first hit, 49.2-58.4% on the second. Bad example, apart from the fact that Trap-passing is next to impossible to pull off in today's metagame.

    Dugtrio has trouble finishing off Pokemon like 252/0 Tyranitar and Bold Blissey, it's better used for finishing off those Pokemon after they've been weakened somewhat.

    I would remove the part about 6.5 priority, don't want to confuse people into thinking it beats out Protect and Extremespeed. Might want to make a note of slower U-turners not getting hit by double power Pursuit as well. The glitch is in the Japanese versions, the English version updated and corrected the glitch in the Japanese one.

    Adaptability Outrage does has essentially 240 power as well, your point? It's base power, not damage, by the way.

    What does Thick Fat have to do with Snorlax beating Latias and Starmie?

    Apart from Tickle Wobbuffet + Pursuit, this isn't a very effective strategy due to how few Pokemon learn such moves.

    How many Pokemon learn one of the above and Pursuit and are going to ''rely on'' those attacks to Pursuit? How many non-fighting typed Pokemon use Close Combat to take advantage of and Pursuit?

    Swords Dance + Pursuit? Sure, let's sweep with a 40 power move. Screech + Pursuit? Honchkrow and Snorlax are rather slow to be making use of such a combo, and Skuntank is nowhere near OU tier level.

    I don't believe Smogon should be promoting such gimmicky sets that try to keep frail Pokemon like Honchkrow/Absol alive for several turns and not make use of their offensive stats.

    There's a difference between bizarre sets that work, and bizarre sets that don't work. Learn it.
  9. Aeroblacktyl

    Aeroblacktyl The pizza doesn't scream in the oven! LOL!
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    Feb 19, 2005
    actually ipl his example umbreon would use wish, so it'd protect on the second superpower, so then it'd be at like 80% after that etc

    but you'd be retarded to superpower an umbreon when it can baton pass to a ddmence/gyara -_-
  10. Thorns


    Feb 17, 2007
    Smogon shouldn't encourage new players to use gimmicks anyway. Team Uber and Serebii are the places to discuss gimmick sets. (assuming gimmicks don't work) Whirlpool Swampert is just terrible.
  11. Erodent


    Aug 22, 2008
    Whoa, ok.

    Thanks Witness315, bugmaniacbob, and shiny vaporeon! I really appreciate it.

    imperfectluck -

    1. For the Umbreon example, MoP's response explains it. Umbreon has a chance of surviving two Superpowers if it uses Wish + Protect again and again, while Baton Passing when Scizor is at -6 Atk - 6 Def.
    2. I'll change the scenario which you described was a "showcasing coinflip" then.
    3. Even though 39% of the Skarmories used Shed Shell, it can still be trapped. I'll erase Suicune and replace it with something else which I'll figure out soon..
    4. Dugtrio, Pursuit & U-turn changes noted :)
    5. Oops, i'll change the Thic Fat mention into something boasting about Snorlax's SpD instead...
    6. Removed the Perish Song + Pursuit "strategies".
    7. Oh, the last sentence about nonconformity isn't supposed to be with Swampert's Whirlpool and Bide thing...it's supposed to summarize the whole section :(
    8. I think I will still keep the Screech/SD + Pursuit "strategies" because players can still use them as ideas.
    9. Thorns included: Ok, I'll remove Whirlpool Swampert :P

    Thanks everyone!
  12. Darkmalice

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    Aug 11, 2008
    Excellent guide.

    In the Screech / Swords Dance + Pursuit section, you could add DD Tyranitar to the list, as it can boost its Attack too (and it's much higher than Drapion's and Stunktank's.)

    Also, the mentioned Dugtrio set should have 4 HP, not Def, and Wobbuffet usually uses a Calm nature instead of a Bold one.
  13. imperfectluck

    is a Past WCoP Championwon the 7th Official Smogon Tournament

    Mar 18, 2005
    Nobody got my point. Why would Scizor use Superpower in the first place, when it can U-Turn?
  14. Erodent


    Aug 22, 2008
    darknessmalice - Understood, thanks!

    ipl - Okay, maybe Umbreon VS Scizor isn't the best example. I'll work on thinking up another one in a short while.
  15. husk

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    Jan 9, 2005
    To all the people who came in here and wrote "excellent guide" what did you find excellent? What did you learn or think you would've learned were you less experienced? This guide consists mostly of random sets with pursuit along mixed in with a large number of non-competitive sets. I don't see how this would help a reader aside from showing them that moves called pursuit/mean look/spider web/etc. and the abilities magnet pull/arena trap/shadow tag exist.

    As far as writing a guide on trapping goes there are plenty of things to be said on the subject...this guide just doesn't really cover any of them.
  16. Erodent


    Aug 22, 2008
    What content would you like me to cover husk?
  17. husk

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    Jan 9, 2005
    You've stated the obvious part (pokemon can use pursuit and have trapping abilities!!) maybe you should talk about the uses of those in a team setting. You've picked a really deep topic to discuss but you don't deal with anything aside from facts people could look up. I imagine you tried to rectify that by posting sections on stat boosting and then pursuit and all but those sets aren't really competitive.

    Just as a single example, as I don't feel like writing the guide for you:

    You are aware that "There are several ways to go about using Pursuit Tyranitar" but you only post the CB set and you don't even discuss how it would be used most effectively. You can post a large number of gimmick or non-viable sets but you don't have time to post alternate viable pursuit-tar sets? The example of a use for CBTar is pursuiting choiced alakazams. You're probably aware that that isn't the main reason people have pursuit tyranitar. Pursuit tar can open up sweeps for special sweeprs, allow lucario to use bullet punch over crunch, let infernape wreak havoc on a team, etc. It all depends on what you need it to do. This is an important thing to emphasize and maybe you could try to show newer users how to customize a pokemon with pursuit for maximum synergy with their team as opposed to posting a some uu pokes with pursuit (though customizing a poke with pursuit for you team could definitely involve uu pokemon). It is probably more important to convey that having a pokemon with pursuit lets you form a bigger idea with which you can play your team and shape the game. This isn't even counting alternate sets like Expert Belt pursuit tar which brings a whole dimension to the game by bluffing cb.

    I hope you don't take any of this personally. I have issues with most of the guides/analysis' posted but you picked a topic that I feel is interesting so I decided to post :/
  18. Erazor

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    Oct 27, 2008
    Isn't it the other way around? The glitched Japanese ones allow you to switch moves, and the english ones fixed it iirc.

    And about the things to cover', maybe talk about strategies like U-turning to a trapper?
    eg. You bring in specs Jolteon on a revenge kill, you Baton Pass as Tyranitar comes in. You can now bring in Duggy for free, and no more Tyranitar.

    Maybe it wasn't the best example, but you get the point.

    Also, you should mention the infamous Wobbuffet Encore/Tickle/CBTar Pursuit strategy as the peak of the Screech example thingies.
  19. Erodent


    Aug 22, 2008
    husk - Ooh, sort of like Team Options for Pursuit users?? Interesting, I'll get to work on that. And no I'm not taking this personally, thanks for your input!

    Erazor - I'll get to those when I get back from school!
  20. Darkmalice

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    Aug 11, 2008
    Just a thought. Pursuit is a move that is pretty widespread. A lot of Pokemon learn it. To be precise, all of these learn it:

    Pursuit has a surprise factor, which could potentially be used for a free KO. You've mentioned all the Pokemon with trapping abilities, even Probopass. You could say "These are all the Pokemon that can learn Pursuit. The ones that can use the move decently have been bolded."

    (For the sake of ease, I've only bolded those that you already haven't, and have at least some viability in at least the UU tier.)

    The ones that have been bolded I feel could be mentioned as extra trappers. Most would be listed as UU trappers (you've already got some NU ones). Trapping is, after all, a handy technique in all tiers.

    Also, Magneton should be mentioned as an UU trapper. It's better than Probopass.
  21. Frank Ripley

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    Jun 24, 2009
    On Skuntank, It says Rock / Smash Substitute / Toxic.
    I Think It Should Be Rock Smash / Substitute / Toxic.
  22. Xia

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    Nov 2, 2007
    I would suggest changing the moveset format to better match the correct format (or at least the one I always see in the RMT subforum):

    Pokemon @ Item
    EV Spread
    Move 1
    Move 2
    Move 3
    Move 4

    I'd imagine this would be changed during HTMLization, though having it correct here isn't a horrible idea, either.
  23. Jibaku

    Jibaku Who let marco in here????
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    Dec 13, 2005
    I guess this would be minor but...
    Absolutely not. Parasect is a horrible Pokemon to use in the Uber metagame, and even Pursuit isn't going to help it with anything since most things that are weak to Pursuit can kill it before it tries to dent stuff with its base 95 Attack. Parasect can't really tank anything either

    Wobbuffet needs his section expanded slightly. Mention Wobbuffet's unique ability to reliably trap and Encore, thus often giving a free turn for its teammate to set up (or kill the opponent with Counter/MC if they try to attack). Another thing worth mentioning would be the tickle -> CB pursuit strategy which can be effective for removing walls such as Lugia and Blissey in the Uber metagame (though it may cost Wobbuffet's life in return due to Toxic damage buildup).

    Good job working on this though!
  24. Erodent


    Aug 22, 2008
    I'm really sorry guys...I've been really busy lately :( However, I'll get to all your comments and suggestions in a while. I'm also working on expanding the descriptions, as you guys stated. Thanks Frank Ripley, Xia, and Jibaku.

    darknessmalice - Going through that list I really doubt the use of some Pursuit users you mentioned..for example, Pursuit Tauros seems a little powerless to me. I'll check whatever else "works" effectively, though.
  25. zarator

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    Mar 12, 2008
    Metagross has 130 Base Defense, not 135...

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