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Wonkymons -- Updates

Discussion in 'Other Metagames' started by The Eevee General, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. TheOnyx

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    Natural Cure Archeops is actually really good
  2. The Dark Hero

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    Well... Shit. As if QD wasn't enough, it gets even MORE power.
  3. Relados

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    Hey, I know you mentioned that the clauses need to be looked into, so I have to ask: Are Sand Veil and Snow Cloak going to be banned like they were in the regular tiers, or are they still fair game?
  4. The Eevee General

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    Good question. Since there aren't really any strong Sand or Hail starters in this meta I don't think those abilities will be as coveted, unless Sand Rush becomes popular on something like say Torterra, Durant, or Scrafty.

    I think we'll play that by ear.
  5. thesynchrohero

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    Please tell me not putting Magnet Pull Emboar in the game changers section was a mistake, I mean both of Emboar's STAB's hit steel super effectively.
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    note to self: never use CB Ttar / Scizor pursuit while playing in this tier.
  7. PureQuestion

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    Well, if it has Shadow Tag, it doesn't have Justified. I mean, it's still gonna ruin you, but you won't be boosting it.
  8. Mdevil

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    Pure Power/Eviolite Rufflet seems... entertaining. Not brilliant, but better than Braviary.
  9. The Eevee General

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    He makes a nice check to No Guard Bronzong after it sleeps something with Hypnosis.
  10. bobbyvaporeon

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    Can I have a link to the program you used to make this
    i want to try my own
  11. The Eevee General

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    To make this I just used the randbetween function in Excel. I assigned a number to each ability and then generated 2 columns of random numbers for each Pokemon. Then I replaced each number with the corresponding ability. Voila!
  12. Adams

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    I want to play this meta but idk how
  13. The Eevee General

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    Well for now it can really only be played on Hackmons, but we have to count on the honor system and assume players will only use legit moves and the abilities ascribed to each Pokemon in this thread.
  14. Joim

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    This OM is easily feasible with a PS mod, only it's really tedious to add the abilities for all the mons, it's a big list :p If you volunteer to edit the pokedex.js I can host it for you.
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    Good guy Joim. :)
    But no, really. If this were to happen, I would be incredibly interested in playing!
  16. The Eevee General

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    Wow. That's really nice! I would love to dex edit, but I'm not familiar with it, so if you could point me in the right direction I can work on it tomorrow when I'm off work. And I don't mind tedious work especially to get something like this going!

    It's funny because I was just asking Zarel what it would take to get this modded.
  17. The Eevee General

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    Sorry to double post...

    BUT

    The mod is up and running thanks to Joim! So please check it out.
    http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/~~joimslab/lobby

    AND

    Wonder Guard Elekid is banned!! :'(
    So you can all breathe a sigh of relief. Other Wonder Guarders are usable for now...
  18. apt-get

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    Why is everyone saying that scarf shadow tag Terrakion is the best thing ever? scarf Kyurem-B is way more powerful and has shadow tag too, he only lacks in speed to take on scarf Palkia or +1 Keldeo.

    Also, adaptability sucker punch from Cacturne hurts.

    Drizzle Dragonite with Max HP/Max SpA with hurricane/thunder/surf/roost is nice too, it can take hits and dish out powerful ones.
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    Some minor things that might be interesting.

    * Choice Band Ninjask looks vaguely usable now because Magic Guard prevents SR from ruining his day ever again as he U-Turns in at random. Sadly, his BP strategy is pretty much impossible due to the lack of Speed Boost.

    * Someone mentioned Prankster Yanmega earlier; I honestly think Druddigon has a slightly more interesting movepool and typing at present. Druddigon has slightly better bulk and typing and can abuse Glare to paralyze everything(though inaccurate), Taunt for the reasons everyone uses Taunt, Torment(as it will probably only run into one move that hits it SE) and Toxic occasionally. You could use the weather moves, but with all the permaweather it's not worth bothering with unless you want to make use of Swift Swim. Oh, and it can Roar, but prankster Roar is only a -5 priority. Unfortunately, his only healing is Rest, and he doesn't even get Sleep Talk. His other choices are... Swagger, Substitute, and Hone Claws? Priority Swagger-Substitute-Torment sounds quite irritating, but realistically it's just going to get him killed.

    * With Poison Heal, Regice suddenly has doubled recovery compared to its previous leftovers boost. It's other ability, Drought, is kinda suicide for an Ice type, but at least it's very bulky and can deal with non-fire attacks with ease.

    * Speed Boost... Crawdaunt enjoys having what is essentially Shift Gear for its Dragon Dance (+1 attack from DD and +2 speed from DD + speed boost) and Sawsbuck outspeeds a LOT after a boost, allowing it to band, but we all know Keldeo will be the real star of the show.

    * Illusion Ferrothorn can set up hazards completely unexpectedly

    * Magic Bounce Jumpluff looks to be really obnoxious. The set runs like it does in NU, leap in on something, Encore the move, and proceed to set up for SD/Acrobatics/Seed Bomb (though steels will block you six ways from sunday). Magic Bounce just means it can set up on hazards users with utter impunity, in particular Illusion Ferrothorn(Who can't Power Whip it even if it tried to attack on the switch).

    * Weather teams... a full listing of weather abilities (not inducers, those are in the first post):

    Cloud Nine:
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    Rhyhorn
    Tauros
    Octillery
    Kingdra - How ironic
    Numel
    Gorebyss
    Deoxys-A
    Magmortar
    Rotom-Frost
    Watchog
    Gothorita
    Alomomola


    Chlorophyll:
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    Nidorina (amusingly, Nidorino gets Drought)
    Gastly
    Articuno
    Marill
    Mantine
    Swampert
    Shuppet
    Weavile
    Gallade - Probably the best Chlorophyller due to high attack, middling previous speed, and great coverage. Also resists Fighting moves sent after Hydrei.
    Roggenrola


    Dry Skin: (not really sure what to make of these)
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    Koffing
    Croconaw
    Entei
    Cascoon
    Cacturne
    Kecleon - A weird choice, but might make an interesting rain supporter due to decent spbulk and Recover.
    Regirock - Oh god.
    Rayquaza
    Azelf
    Beheyeem


    Flower Gift: Hang on, isn't this ability hard coded only to work for Cherrim?
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    Golem - He'll love both the Sp Boost and the Attack boost. Now Golem likes two weathers.
    Muk
    Remoraid
    Blissey - Oh.
    Wingull
    Rampardos - Lol, I'd hate to see what sort of hits that thing would deal out.
    Magnezone
    Excadrill
    Tympole


    Harvest:
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    Beedrill
    Jynx
    Slowking
    Hariyama
    Aron
    Registeel
    Latios
    Honchkrow
    Carracosta
    Mienshao


    Hydration:
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    Ditto
    Snubbull
    Mightyena
    Kyurem

    Looks like nothing's really going to be making use of Hydration. Kyurem's the only one who will really have it, and that's because Anger Point is useless.

    Ice Body:
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    Tentacruel
    Flareon - Might be neat as a Hail poke who counters opposing Hail.
    Bidoof
    Gallade - Gallade is apparently going to be useful on two types of weather teams, but Ice Body isn't that good for him.
    Liepard
    Dwebble


    Overcoat:
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    Blastoise
    Goldeen
    Starmie - Well, now SS gets a fast spinner who can also switch in on water moves(hail has Ice Body Tenta).
    Snorlax - Immunity to Weather passive damage isn't too bad. He's probably going to be a Snow Warning poke, though.
    Meganium
    Treecko
    Nincada
    Glalie
    Frosslass
    Rotom-Wash - Ooh, that might be interesting.
    Gothitelle
    Amoongus - Just when you thought those sandstorm teams were going to be swept by fighters...
    Ferroseed
    Heatmor


    Rain Dish:
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    Machoke
    Exeggutor
    Hitmonlee
    Wooper
    Unown
    Tyranitar
    Volbeat
    Barboach
    Lileep
    Groudon
    Rayquaza
    Empoleon
    Rotom-Heat
    Dialga
    Purrloin
    Swoobat
    Whirlipede

    I honestly have no idea how Rain Dish is going to work. Looking at the list, Empoleon seems best set to use it.

    Sand Force:
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    Charmeleon
    Magneton - Flash Cannon and HP Ground aren't very good choices for Maggy, but they might see use with the boost.
    Houndoom
    Ralts
    Torkoal
    Deoxys-D
    Wormadam-Ground - The only SForcer to get STAB on EQ, an utterly terrible Bug type with base 79 attack. Oh well.
    Dusknoir


    Sand Rush:
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    Bellsprout
    Sentret
    Seviper - at it's fastest, Seviper reaches 502 speed in a sandstorm, putting it two points below absolute max speed Deoxys-S. Without an attack boosting nature 100 in each Attack stat is nothing big, but it's still something. Sacrificing the speed-boosting nature nets you 458 speed, whose only real danger is more scarfers outspeeding and unboosted Ninjask.
    Clamperl - Deepseatooth + Sand Rush with Shell Smash as backup?
    Torterra
    Swoobat
    Scrafty - Ouch.
    Durant


    Sand Veil (not sure if banned):
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    Ninetales
    Mankey
    Dewgong
    Gastly
    Onix
    Chinchou
    Xatu
    Flaafy
    Espeon
    Shiftry
    Loudred
    Spinda
    Kyogre
    Wormadam-Plant
    Unfezant
    Audino
    Zoroark
    Haxorus - Putting the hax in haxorus
    Braviary


    Snow Cloak:
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    Zubat
    Persian
    Alakazam
    Farfetch'd
    Dratini
    Ampharos
    Jirachi - at least its not serene grace
    Whimsicott
    Litwick
    Lampent
    Accelgor
    Bisharp


    Solar Power:
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    Hypno - Well, that makes his attack stat usable...
    Mawile
    Flygon - Flygon can't come in on EQ anymore, but now it going to be really hard to wall because of the Sun boosted Fire Blast being double boosted.
    Jirachi - Probably a better choice than Snow Cloak.
    Luxio
    Servine
    Musharna
    Scraggy
    Volcarona - Yeah, everything will die.

    Sun looks really scary.

    Swift Swim:
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    Caterpie
    Gengar
    Typhlosion
    Duskull
    Chimecho
    Turtwig
    Shellos
    Hippowdon
    Panpour

    I was expecting this to be pretty terrifying, but it's honestly rather tame. Panpour and Shellos are the only Water types with the ability and they're very weak, while the most powerful abusers are all unable to make use of it. Gengar is already fast (though heavy metal is very useless) and isn't going to be packing HP Water any time soon, Typhlosion's STAB is rendered useless by the weather, and Hippowdon isn't going to be making very good use of the speed anyway, especially in rain.

    I have this feeling that we're going to be seeing a LOT of sun...
  20. Snaquaza

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    sorry if this is asked already but what will Dragonite induce, Drizzle or Sand Stream
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    That depends on what ability you give it. If you give it Sand Stream it will start a sandstorm, while if you give it Drizzle it will start rain.
  22. The Eevee General

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    Great analysis! Very interesting.

    Duh! I can't believe I forgot about that. I changed their abilities:
    Golem- Magic Bounce
    Muk- Infiltrator
    Remoraid- Water Absorb
    Blissey- Early Bird
    Wingull- Synchronize
    Rampardos- Victory Star
    Magnezone- Swift Swim (Rain+Thunder+Swift Swim!)
    Excadrill- Rain Dish
    Tympole- Liquid Ooze

    I will ask Joim to edit the code.
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    Swift...
    Swim...
    Magnezone...
    Goddamnit.

    Anyway, my wonkymons team.

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    Palkia @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Contrary
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
    Timid Nature
    - Hydro Pump
    - Draco Meteor
    - Thunder
    - Fire Blast

    Classic contraryPalkia, great cleaner late-game or wallbreaker.


    Dragonite @ Life Orb
    Trait: Drizzle
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
    Modest Nature
    - Hurricane
    - Thunder
    - Surf
    - Roost

    A surprisingly good wallbreaker/lead, hurricane hits really hard while Thunder has 100% accuracy and surf has pseudo-STAB. Roost is for when your opp switches.

    Galvantula @ Choice Band
    Trait: Pure Power
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
    Jolly Nature
    - Wild Charge
    - X-Scissor
    - Sucker Punch
    - Return

    Underrated threat, it hits really hard with CB. Wild Charge/X-Scissor are main STABs, Sucker Punch is to weaken palkia before pickng it off with Cacturne.

    Kyurem-Black @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Shadow Tag
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SAtk
    Naughty Nature
    - Outrage
    - Fusion Bolt
    - Ice Beam
    - Dragon Claw

    Best trapper hands down. Really effective scarf. Outrage/Fusion Bolt are for cleaning, Dragon Claw to RK and ice beam for things weak to it and filler.


    Cacturne @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Adaptability
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Sucker Punch
    - Seed Bomb
    - Swords Dance
    - Drain Punch

    Easy to setup with it. SD, and then sucker punch everything. Seed Bomb and Drain Punch are fillers-kinda.

    Floatzel @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Imposter
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 Spd / 252 HP
    Adamant Nature
    - Aqua Tail
    - Ice Punch
    - Crunch
    - Aqua Jet

    Second revenge killer, allows me to try to copy palkia's boosts and retaliate in a speed tie.

  24. Snaquaza

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    Everyone, keep SE hits on Camerupt either Water or Ground
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    i just noticed a gimmicky but usable set;

    Clamperl@deepseatooth
    max speed max sp attack
    timid/modest
    Sand rush
    -shell smash
    -surf
    -ice beam
    -hp grass

    In the sand and one smash it gets 720 with timid (650 with modest) and with tooth it gets 1080 (modest, 1000 with timid). it is now a major threat if the sand is up and it gets a free set up and the enemy will be worn down a bit by sand. The only bad thing is you don't have a decent chance to set up and unaware walls. It 2hko's chantey and bliss!

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