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Hello there! I am currently making a "Ranking the Starter Pokemon of Gen 9" video and I have a few questions regarding the ones in ZU. Unlike the other tiers, I don't have any deep metagame knowledge on ZU and there is no VR to work off of.

I can see that Decidueye-H is #5 in usage for the past month. I am assuming comes off of its incredible support movepool and bulk, with its natural typing working well against some common mons (Electrode-H, Kingdra, Jolteon, etc.).
Charizard and Typhlosion are the cookie cutter Sun mons, but I am assuming that NU's Drought ban affects ZU, so I am also assuming both are in a bit of struggle state especially with Kingdra being #1 in usage, and other special walls like Alcremie and Snorlax also being prominent in the tier.
Samurott is the one with the most question marks for me in how good it is in the tier.
Meganium needs no explanation. lol
I am guessing Decid-H > Zard > Typh > Rott > Megan.

Sorry for the somewhat lengthy post, but can you kind of confirm my glancing observations for each of these? I am curious in learning more about the tier.
glad to see an interest in the tier! your assumptions were pretty much all correct, though we do have a viability list.

decid also functions as a potent and at times oppressive sweeper with its wide attacking options--stab cc, triple arrows, and leaf blade, and coverage options like knock, sucker, and u-turn--bolstered by sd. zard and typh were staples on sun, which was indeed affected by nu's ban on drought, but zard is still serviceable as a standalone attacker thanks to its useful speed tier and high special attack. it also sees play as a physical sweeper with sd, dd, and belly drum, and moves like flare blitz, eq, thunder punch, and acro. typhlosion is a bit more one-dimensional as its coverage is way more lackluster than zard's, though it boasts identical stats and a powerful stab eruption.

samurott has seen better days. it was once a scary attacker that could go physical, special, or mixed, with move options like sd, knock, and flip turn, and held items like boots, lorb, and mystic water. it was a wild card that could mow down teams if you didnt know its set. it's mostly fallen out of favor because of faster and/or stronger water-types, and often competes for your team's water-type slot with qwilfish, which provides invaluable utility. and meganium is meganium. it's got some cool new tricks like knock off and dice + bullet seed, but offensive sd sets kind of have 4mss (you want sd, stab, eq, knock, synth, maybe even tera blast rock) and just fall short in the role with other grass-type mons like the aforementioned decidueye, or ones with more immediate power like scovillain and even alolan duggy, or the insane speed of hisuian electrode, or heck even dipplin is better
 
What keeps Cryogonal from being viable as a spinner here? It’s got some useful traits + Freeze-Dry is a broken move
 
Partially based off UU's SQSA Thread by Estarossa

Welcome to the SQSA Thread! As the name suggests, if you have a question that can be asked in one or a couple lines and/or answered in one post, please post it in this thread. When asking a question, make sure that your post is relevant to the ZeroUsed. In-game questions should be asked in Orange Islands and questions about Smogon as a whole should be asked in this thread. To avoid any ambiguity, please quote the post you are responding to when answering a question. Your answers should contain at least a brief explanation, even if it was the simplest of questions.


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Partially based off UU's SQSA Thread by Estarossa

Welcome to the SQSA Thread! As the name suggests, if you have a question that can be asked in one or a couple lines and/or answered in one post, please post it in this thread. When asking a question, make sure that your post is relevant to the ZeroUsed. In-game questions should be asked in Orange Islands and questions about Smogon as a whole should be asked in this thread. To avoid any ambiguity, please quote the post you are responding to when answering a question. Your answers should contain at least a brief explanation, even if it was the simplest of questions.


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How good is wugtrio
 
Is Camerupt viable in the tier? I saw it in two seperate ZUPL replays for Week 7, and it didn't seem bad. However, it's not on the VR, so is this just a new fad, or is it actually good?
 
Is Camerupt viable in the tier? I saw it in two seperate ZUPL replays for Week 7, and it didn't seem bad. However, it's not on the VR, so is this just a new fad, or is it actually good?
truthfully it’s not that great. it has high offensive stats but is pretty mediocre elsewhere. i’d guess that it saw some usage because of how prevalent hisuian electrode was, as it was a ground type that didnt drop to a leaf storm. with this threat quickbanned, we’ll probably see camerupt as an even more fringe option
 
Imo, Honchkrow just required too much support to successfully work. As a late-game sweeper, it either needed to win Sucker Punch predictions or outspeed the opponent, which were equally difficult for Honchkrow (and easier/less important for our S-tier Decid-h). If you are able to preserve something like a Regirock, Honchkrow cannot sweep, and with Moxie you don't really want to switch out and try again. Honchkrow wouldn't want to run choiced either, since flying resists and things that are willing to take dark moves (or gonna click that tera fairy) aren't uncommon.

As for Houndoom, it's always been outclassed as a low-tier special fire type with around 100 speed. It doesn't have the power/bulk of Magmortar, the speed of Pyroar (who was the better choice user when they were both PU), QD like oricorio, the scariness of Scovillain in sun, Eruption like Typhlosion, or the defensive capabilities of Charizard. It's on the slower end of these options, which adds another barrier to running NP sets that other options don't have. The only defining niche Houndoom has is being a dark type, which is nice, but not enough because it needs more coverage and moveslots to break through its resists.

They aren't unusable, and their dark typings are uncommon enough that I would at least consider Houndoom, but they are both slow enough to run into problems and outclassed by options that aren't held back by their speed.
 
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How good is Klawf with either focus sash or weakness policy?
Bad. +3 in attack and speed sounds great, but everything about it is horrible. Has non existent bulk without sash to let it survive a bit, and if it's sash then you need to keep all hazards off, which is not easy. Also dies to ubiquitous priority, so not fun.
If you want to use a smash mon, use poltea or even tort. And as a hazard lead, even something like sudowoodo would be better.
 
How good is Klawf with either focus sash or weakness policy?
Adding on to Heatrantor's point, this klawf set is an unviable gimmick to put it simply. Avalugg-Hisui with Sturdy and Custap Berry is a better suicide lead due to its ability to keep hazards off, and weakness policy is a gimmick (like it is on most mons). Klawf does have a small niche as a bulky Regenerator Stealth Rock user though, so I'd recommend using it in that role if you wish to use Klawf.
 
Chimecho is the only legal non-LC Pokémon in the tier to learn Heal Bell. But being able to remove status apparently isn’t enough of a niche, so what gives?
 
Chimecho is the only legal non-LC Pokémon in the tier to learn Heal Bell. But being able to remove status apparently isn’t enough of a niche, so what gives?
chimecho is stat-checked by a lot of the top rated mons and is just simply outclassed by mesprit, which sports the same typing and ability, but has more set variety and coverage options
 
What would be a good kind of team to put Sableye, Porygon2, and Malamar/Pyroar on? Who would be their teammates?
Sableye and Porygon2 are great options for bulkier teams, and Pyroar can be a fine teammate for that core to offer Speed control. I think Malamar is better suited as an OTR mon on specific builds and you'd be better off trying something like the below for now maybe.
https://pokepast.es/3d95bb3d1780a864
 
Is Samurott really that bad that its unranked?
yes, due to being frail, having a below average speed tier, and not being powerful enough on either side of the spectrum, samurott just doesn’t have the stats to hold up in the current meta, despite some unique traits like access to knock off or megahorn. you’d be better off using pokemon like floatzel or qwilfish as water type attackers
 
Asking a similar question to the one that Samsuro did, why is :Electivire: unranked? Great Atk and Speed tier, good ability if you are able to predict Volt Switch from the new Rotom-Mow for example and great coverage options in my opinion (being even possible to use it as an special attakcer)
 
Asking a similar question to the one that Samsuro did, why is :Electivire: unranked? Great Atk and Speed tier, good ability if you are able to predict Volt Switch from the new Rotom-Mow for example and great coverage options in my opinion (being even possible to use it as an special attakcer)
Physical Electrics tend to be quite abysmal. They lack a remotely usable stab move and the physical coverage options to pair with it are sparce or too weak (ie ice punch). Furthermore, Electivire struggles to find a niche for itself even as a physical electric when it is so much slower than Zebstrika (who is also UR I believe). It also take a ludicrous amount from Mowtom Leaf Storm, which doesn't help its case. It's basically not worth using over the other electrics like Lanturn, Magneton, Rotom-Mow, Jolteon and Ampharos for these reasons.
 
Why is Vivillon considered unviable in this metagame? Which common Pokemon counter it most easily or outclass it the most?
 
Why is Vivillon considered unviable in this metagame? Which common Pokemon counter it most easily or outclass it the most?
It's outclassed by most every Quiver Dance user; Oricorio-formes and Venomoth especially. It doesn't really have the bulk to setup quite as well, is 4x weak to Stealth Rock so doesn't work on Terrain teams nearly as well, and Sleep is banned so it doesn't have an advantage in boosted Sleep Powder anymore. Just generally better options in its role.
 
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