Election 2008, United States

[Peanut-Lover]

I'd be willing to spend a good chunk of my college fund, as would a number of people like myself, to satisfy these people that claim "YOU OWE ME"

How do all white people benefit from slavery? Slavery, as it was discovered, was actually pretty bad dal for the south - for 3-6 months of no planting, the idiots were fed, sheltered, and clothed, despite doing no work. Once the Civil War ended, and tenant farming started, the former slave owners could now say"screw you, find your own food while not harvesting".

is it because blacks a genetically pre-disposed to being lazy?

From my experiences, I actually have given this thought. However, Blacks do tend to be more violent, more likely to be addicted to drugs, more likely to be alcoholics.
On the topic of genetics, I happened to have taken a course in my studies in High School - any questions please PM me. More the point, Wattson actually states that Blacks may be genetically predisposed to certain things, like drugs, basketball, and sex drive. He sites a study that took certain chemicals only found in blacks, and gave a man a 14 hour erection. Coincidence?

http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2007/10/23/james-d-watson-vs-leon-kass/ because I couldn't find the article from MSN, I will be searching though.




Before we completely de-rail the topic, I request that a mod please seperate these past 5 or 6 posts between God. and myself to a seperate thread, where it can be examined more closely.

 

[UltimoVenusaur]

No, they want to anihilate us for being such idiots, and owning banned things in the eyes of god, such as pornography, a stock market, and evil dictators, while we kill them for being "inferior".

I think it's more of that last thing than anything else.

 

[Surgo]

Also, have you noticed? Blacks are more sexually active, have less desires for school, and don't want to work? What happened to working in Dunkin Donuts, or Starbucks, and actually fixing their lives?

O and before I forget Obama also gave Wright $60,000 last year.

Now lets look at the concept behind universal health care shall we? Politicians love to whine about "universal health care" simply to help their careers, so you can't really trust anything they say. Who in their right mind would be opposed to "free health care" for "everyone" I wouldn't but the fact of the matter is that such health care IS IMPOSSIBLE! Where would we get the money for it? Would it be any good? Because government services are SOOO reliable right? I mean there is nothing better then an overworked, overtired, idiot who just got out of college operating on you with government issued rusty, poorly made, budget medical equipment right? And better yet he probably has a very thick accent and just came to America yesterday from India!- And thats why I am opposed to "Universal Health Care" not to mention the waiting lists, you probably would have to wait in line to get treated for a heart attack.

Barack Obama will not, cannot and should not win the general election, why? Because he is a terrorist sympathizer who advocates reverse racism! Did you know the pastor of the church that Obama has been going to for the past 20 years thinks America deserved 9/11? Did you know he shouts "God Damn America" constantly in Church, and Obama just sits in his all black, anti-american, RACIST church and smiles. Obama even dedicated a book to the man! Obama is also involved in mortgage fraud and is being accused and sued by a MAN named Lary Sinclair for doing crack and having an affair with him.

Sources, motherfuckers.

Universal Health Care (a.k.a. "Hillary Care") -As a gamer you should be terrified of any of Hillary Clinton's ideas and anything she supports I mean she has made it very clear that she is not a fan of the video game industry and gamers.

Poisoning the well might be a popular tactic by lawyers and politicians, but a fallacy like that is not going to score you any points here.

McCain wants to drill for oil as a temporary fix for the problems. YAY.

It's been exhaustively shown by virtually everyone who knows anything about oil that the "temporary fix" is patently false. I even posted a link earlier in this thread.


In other news, Youngconservative is guilty of marriage fraud and is currently being sued by a man. Hey, it's as well-sourced as anything he said. From this point forward I will be ignoring any post made by him, unless it is sourced.

 

[Ancien Régime]

you know what's funny the one black person in this thread is the one least offended by peanut-lover

well the white community does owe the black community for hundreds of years of tyranny and oppression.

And jewish people have been getting oppressed for fucking MILLENIA. MILLENIA. How are they doing?

what has it been, two generations since the civil rights act? statistically blacks have lower incomes, worse graduation rates, worse college enrollment rates, etc than whites on average.

For what it's worth, black people use more drugs, have more kids out of wedlock at younger ages, are involved in more crime, etc, etc. on average. It's not racism, it's statistics.

you would have to be a spoiled, middle-class, white child with no knowledge of the world and a gaping sense of entitlement to think that is because too many blacks are 'lazy' and they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps or some such ayn rynd inspired shit.

And you would have to be a spoiled, middle-class, white child who's been brainwashed by liberal media and made to think that everyone owes everyone something to think that people are failing at life because of some sort of "oppression". Is it "whitey's" fault that black mothers are having kids out of wedlock (I have no moral objection to it but there's no denying its worse for kids overall)? Is it "whitey's" fault that black people tend to be more involved in drugs (actually to an extent it is whitey's fault because they won't legalize drugs thus making drug dealing unprofitable)? Is it "whitey's" fault that black people ostracize other black people for being intelligent? Is it "whitey's" fault that mothers will spend more on shoes than on books? And don't try to tell me "stereotypes". I have lived with black people, and in black communities my entire life. And if you ask any black person over say, 30, they'd probably agree with most of what I said. (btw, guess who benefits from irresponsible black people - *gasp* middle class white people who are paid to clean up the messes made by irresponsible people!)

"Liberalism" is essentially the "blame somebody else" ideology (liberalism in quotation marks because it's actually a modern-day version of caste ideology - that people in a certain caste are consigned to a certain fate - classical liberalism or REAL liberalism is the exact opposite). It denies that people are actually responsible for what happens to them - it tries to blame everything on "oppressors" or "capitalist overlords" or "Republicans".

 

[Surgo]

"It was an AP story on yahoo" isn't a source. "Obama 60000 wright" didn't show anything on news.google. Nor did "obama thousand wright". Without an actual article, no one can be sure this event ever actually happened.

You want sources? Well here you go,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY

I don't have sound, so I just went to the dude's website (linked at the youtube video) instead. I can't see a single source there for any of his information, thus making anything said absolutely suspect.

Yes, I am going to be the "source asshole" in this thread (and if anything I say here is not well-sourced, please feel free to call me on it).

 

[Surgo]

You need corroborating evidence, yes. And I don't see where in this weird smear campaign there's any first-hand experience at all...

 

[Glen]

fox news? sounds reasonable, they're fair and balanced

 

[Kietharr]

Youngconservative is an excellent troll. I caught it at the terrorist sympathizer line because not even the Fox News cronies will cross that line. I'm no fan of Obama, but I'll just throw this out there in general: You're fucking dumb if you put any faith in any news channel. They're all under the corporate thumb nowadays and are whores for ratings, they don't care what is true, they care what gets them the ratings. Look at the whole "OMG OBAMA SECRET MUSLIM WHO PLEDGED TO THE KORAN" fiasco, look at the fabrications regarding Bush's military service. It's all about the ratings now, if they can lie and get away with it they will if it gets them more money.

I know a lot of people IRL who will criticize Obama based on what fox'n'friends tells them, I'd just like to say stop. I've literally heard people criticizing him over the fucking flag pin issue.

Oh yeah, and on the whole "OMG REPARATIONS" topic, no. None of my ancestors lived in America during slavery, and giving an entire race money is a dumb idea. That'd just widen the racial divide within the country. The past is the past, no amount of money in the world will change that.

 

[SSBM roy]

Now lets look at the concept behind universal health care shall we? Politicians love to whine about "universal health care" simply to help their careers, so you can't really trust anything they say. Who in their right mind would be opposed to "free health care" for "everyone" I wouldn't but the fact of the matter is that such health care IS IMPOSSIBLE! Where would we get the money for it? Would it be any good? Because government services are SOOO reliable right? I mean there is nothing better then an overworked, overtired, idiot who just got out of college operating on you with government issued rusty, poorly made, budget medical equipment right? And better yet he probably has a very thick accent and just came to America yesterday from India!- And thats why I am opposed to "Universal Health Care" not to mention the waiting lists, you probably would have to wait in line to get treated for a heart attack.

Do you honestly have idea what the fuck you're talking about here? Universal health care only means that taxes are collected into a single fund to pay health care costs, and does not even necessarily outlaw private care. You will have the same choice of care under a single payer system as a private system and visit the same doctors. The federal government is paying for services, not providing them. I know you'll respond with the hackneyed 'I hate the big government' routine (the same 'big government' isn't quite so bad in your eyes when it does things like invade Iraq or conduct warrantless wiretapping), so consider that the U.S. already has a higher per capita spending rate on health care than other nations with single payer systems. Preserving the current privatized system is largely the interest of insurance companies, so like every facet of 'conservative' economics it takes a certain combination of faux populism and callouness to make people like you rage against 'Hillary care'.

 

[Misty]

Youngconservative is an excellent troll. I caught it at the terrorist sympathizer line because not even the Fox News cronies will cross that line. I'm no fan of Obama, but I'll just throw this out there in general: You're fucking dumb if you put any faith in any news channel. They're all under the corporate thumb nowadays and are whores for ratings, they don't care what is true, they care what gets them the ratings. Look at the whole "OMG OBAMA SECRET MUSLIM WHO PLEDGED TO THE KORAN" fiasco, look at the fabrications regarding Bush's military service. It's all about the ratings now, if they can lie and get away with it they will if it gets them more money.

I know a lot of people IRL who will criticize Obama based on what fox'n'friends tells them, I'd just like to say stop. I've literally heard people criticizing him over the fucking flag pin issue.

Oh yeah, and on the whole "OMG REPARATIONS" topic, no. None of my ancestors lived in America during slavery, and giving an entire race money is a dumb idea. That'd just widen the racial divide within the country. The past is the past, no amount of money in the world will change that.

thank you, i fully agree with this post

 

[Peanut-Lover]

Responses are underlined.

you know what's funny the one black person in this thread is the one least offended by peanut-lover
Who's theone black person? Forgive me for being naive, and bare in mind that I don't mean thjat all black people are lazy, good-for-nothings - in fact, a good chunk of my friends and family friends are black.


And jewish people have been getting oppressed for fucking MILLENIA. MILLENIA. How are they doing?

Three in fact, maybe more.
I'll admit that my people (Jews) are priviledged - according to THE ROOT (a black newspaper),we score higher on international exams than anyone else, and its not because of gefilte fish and matzah balls (as cited in the article).

Let me give a rundown of Jews throughout history:
~We have been resourceful, able to fight and win many a battle, despite the odds against us. We've had our fair share of losses, but when you fight allllllllll the time, what do you expect?
~We are the goldsmiths of Britain and Europe, soon kicked out because we were so good (kicked to Germany, Poland, and Slavic countries). It should be noted that soon after the Jews were expelled from Spain, its empire collapsed. The reason cited by most scholars/historians - the loss of artisans and gold/silversmiths found in the Jews.
~We eventually make our way to the United States and contribute there. After the revolution, the US had a great debt to one particular jew whose name I cannot recall. The man said that the debt can be paid by one everlasting deed - the star of david is to appear on the dollar. And sure enough, on the back of the single, on the right just above the Eagle, it is not 5-pointed stars, but 6 - known as the star of David.
~We make it in the US, holding no slaves, not benefiting from there work. We in fact work hard to buy out slaves - the numbers were staggering, but we made an impact.
~Fast froward to WWII and beyond - scholars and historians to this day state that Hitler would have conquered all of Europe, including Britain and the USSR if he had not attempted to exterminate the Jews - had he alligned himself with them, he would have conquered Europe, Asia, and possibly the United States.
~Today - wow, what has happened is amazing - the Jews are running about 1/2 of my city's colleges, BIG influence in Central American countries you wouldn't expect to find them, like Costa Rica and more prominently Panama. There's a big group waiting to return to Cuba, as soon as they are allowed back.


For what it's worth, black people use more drugs, have more kids out of wedlock at younger ages, are involved in more crime, etc, etc. on average. It's not racism, it's statistics.
Thank you. I have to find a good site with credible statistics that are simple, but I'm sure you can Google it and find 100-1000 results directly related.

And you would have to be a spoiled, middle-class, white child who's been brainwashed by liberal media and made to think that everyone owes everyone something to think that people are failing at life because of some sort of "oppression". Is it "whitey's" fault that black mothers are having kids out of wedlock (I have no moral objection to it but there's no denying its worse for kids overall)? Is it "whitey's" fault that black people tend to be more involved in drugs (actually to an extent it is whitey's fault because they won't legalize drugs thus making drug dealing unprofitable)? Is it "whitey's" fault that black people ostracize other black people for being intelligent? Is it "whitey's" fault that mothers will spend more on shoes than on books? And don't try to tell me "stereotypes". I have lived with black people, and in black communities my entire life. And if you ask any black person over say, 30, they'd probably agree with most of what I said. (btw, guess who benefits from irresponsible black people - *gasp* middle class white people who are paid to clean up the messes made by irresponsible people!)

"Liberalism" is essentially the "blame somebody else" ideology (liberalism in quotation marks because it's actually a modern-day version of caste ideology - that people in a certain caste are consigned to a certain fate - classical liberalism or REAL liberalism is the exact opposite). It denies that people are actually responsible for what happens to them - it tries to blame everything on "oppressors" or "capitalist overlords" or "Republicans".
I hate die-hard anything - moderation is great, and why McCain is meant for the US - Obama is too die-hard liberal, Huckabee was too die-har conservative.

And with that, I'm putting this topic back on track. Reitterating what is on-topic of election 2008...

I hate die-hard anything - moderation is great, and why McCain is meant for the US - Obama is too die-hard liberal, Huckabee was too die-har conservative.

 

[Kietharr]

McCain is really only what he is today because he is whoring himself out for votes. I enjoyed him much more back in the days when he called Jerry Falwell out as an agent of intolerance rather than sucking his cock for the religious right vote. He used to be a bit of a renegade within the Republican party, someone not afraid to speak his mind even though he was (and still is), to be blunt, a bit fucking insane. I would be too after a few years in the Hanoi Hilton. But then he lost the 2000 primaries and decided that conforming to the party and bending over to take some flaccid white cock up the ass must be cool if it wins you the oval office.

For me, picking between him and Obama is like deciding if I want my hands removed at the wrist or at the elbow though, so I'm probably voting either Nader or Barr. I dislike Barr but if he gets 5% of the vote the feds have to shell out money to the Libertarian party, and I would appreciate the irony of the libertarians benefiting from and accepting federal funding. Nader would just be for the ability to say "hey guys fuck you all don't blame me for your problems I voted Nader".

My dad cautioned me against voting Nader though, he says it really doesn't give you a feeling of fulfillment or anything, it just makes you feel like you wasted a lot of time just so you could say I didn't vote for that cunt in office. Could any past Nader voter confirm this?

 

[Zathura]

the reason why I don't like affirmative action is because it doesn't not help me at all.
I don't see why, for things like college admissions, the quotas can't just be on socioeconomic as opposed to racial lines. poor black kid shouldn't be more entitled than poor white kid, or poor asian kid.

 

[Sand Man]

Yo McCain supporters you might want to check http://kskirby.net/mccain.html out. Notice how it doesn't take retarded guilt-by-association smears about ANGRY BLACK MEN to show how horrible he is.

and 3rd party bitchers: if you're leftist in any way and don't understand why Obama is infinitely better than McCain you need your head checked. Yeah I'd love it too if he could run on Kucinich's platform but there you go, just accept that a democrat isn't going to get elected in the US right now without being centrist as fuck and suck it up.
Or if you live in a completely uncontested state then go ahead and vote Nader but don't kid yourself that you're actually furthering any sort of nationwide move to the left or electoral reform.

 

[Minwu]

And jewish people have been getting oppressed for fucking MILLENIA. MILLENIA. How are they doing?

American politics is centralized on which side kisses more Israeli ass.

 

[God.]

For what it's worth, black people use more drugs, have more kids out of wedlock at younger ages, are involved in more crime, etc, etc. on average. It's not racism, it's statistics.

of course they are. but why is this? is it because they are genetically inferior? this is the culture of the ghetto. everyone is but a product of their culture, upbringing, surroundings, and social discourse etc. slavery, racism, and the government has been very complacent in creating this kind of culture.

And you would have to be a spoiled, middle-class, white child who's been brainwashed by liberal media and made to think that everyone owes everyone something to think that people are failing at life because of some sort of "oppression". Is it "whitey's" fault that black mothers are having kids out of wedlock (I have no moral objection to it but there's no denying its worse for kids overall)? Is it "whitey's" fault that black people tend to be more involved in drugs (actually to an extent it is whitey's fault because they won't legalize drugs thus making drug dealing unprofitable)? Is it "whitey's" fault that black people ostracize other black people for being intelligent? Is it "whitey's" fault that mothers will spend more on shoes than on books? And don't try to tell me "stereotypes".

uh, yes. i know it's a nice, feel-good, guiltless ideology to say that everyone is born independent of their surroundings and are completely responsible for their path in life, but sorry it's just not true. this is the culture of impoverished people, a culture and a people that the government and racism has had a large role in creating, and since everyone is a product of their culture and surroundings, the government, and perpetrators of racism(in america, mostly the white male) is responsible for this kind of culture, and it falls on them to correct it, through social welfare, affirmative action, healthcare, high quality education reform, etc.

of course i do not support such social programs as they exist right now, in an absolute sense. they do nothing to actually address the problem, but i support them in a relative sense because at least it's something(the same sense in which i support the war in iraq).

"Liberalism" is essentially the "blame somebody else" ideology (liberalism in quotation marks because it's actually a modern-day version of caste ideology - that people in a certain caste are consigned to a certain fate - classical liberalism or REAL liberalism is the exact opposite). It denies that people are actually responsible for what happens to them - it tries to blame everything on "oppressors" or "capitalist overlords" or "Republicans".

Libertarianism and Conservatism are ideologies that like to pretend people are born independent of their surroundings and culture. Libertarianism is a realistic ideology which recognizes the truth. Western countries where these ideologies are most prominent tend to have some of the worst economic mobility if you notice.

I hate die-hard anything - moderation is great, and why McCain is meant for the US - Obama is too die-hard liberal, Huckabee was too die-har conservative.

Only in a country with politics as fucked up as America could McCain be considered centrist and Obama be considered left-wing.

 

[Polis4rule]

To be quite honest, the candidates for both parties are that good.

In fact, it seems that now a days, all we get is crap candidates for the most important job of the country.

Right now, I am undecided. Obama seriously lacks experience while McCain has a fair number of issues that would make him questionable for the presidency.

 

[Ancien Régime]

uh, yes. i know it's a nice, feel-good, guiltless ideology to say that everyone is born independent of their surroundings and are completely responsible for their path in life, but sorry it's just not true. this is the culture of impoverished people, a culture and a people that the government and racism has had a large role in creating, and since everyone is a product of their culture and surroundings, the government, and perpetrators of racism(in america, mostly the white male) is responsible for this kind of culture, and it falls on them to correct it, through social welfare, affirmative action, healthcare, high quality education reform, etc.

You're saying in essence that people have no conscious thought.

Sure, people are influenced by their surroundings. But "influenced" doesn't equal = "controlled".

You believe that people's problems are the fault of someone else. I believe that people's problems are the fault of themselves; thus we're not going to agree.

 

[UltimoVenusaur]

and 3rd party bitchers: if you're leftist in any way and don't understand why Obama is infinitely better than McCain you need your head checked. Yeah I'd love it too if he could run on Kucinich's platform but there you go, just accept that a democrat isn't going to get elected in the US right now without being centrist as fuck and suck it up.
Or if you live in a completely uncontested state then go ahead and vote Nader but don't kid yourself that you're actually furthering any sort of nationwide move to the left or electoral reform.

Yeah, because God forbid someone votes for the person he/she most identifies with instead of co-opting their beliefs to vote for the lesser of two evils because windbags like you tell them that voting for someone other than the big two candiates is useless.

The only way for Kucinich-types, RP suppoters/Libertarians (like myself) or a believer in any "fringe" party to gain support is to get votes. Attitudes like that are the biggest problem in American politics.

 

[Misty]

No, the biggest problem is our first-past-the-post system which makes it almost impossible for a third party to launch a credible effort.

 

[UltimoVenusaur]

Yeah, but every time you get a viable third party candidate, there's almost collusion by the two major parties to keep him/her down by telling you "Third party votes = votes thrown away." It's an institutional attitude that needs to be broken before laws, customs and policies are changed.

 

[Zathura]

well, for example, if a black person is bron into a less-than-wealthy family and ends up not having the money to go to college (and not having the money in the first place to be very academically excellent) then it's not his fault.
there's a direct relationship betweeen wealth and academic performance.
and as to " Is it "whitey's" fault that black people ostracize other black people for being intelligent " ; no, it is the black communities fault.
and ancien regime sounds like aldous huxley to me, which i find to be disgusting.

 

[Peanut-Lover]

God. -

According to a renowned geneticist, it is possibke that various races might not have the same intellectual capacity as shown here.


That shouldn't however, prevent them from functioning completely - some can oercome certain phill climb - like myself, despite several vision problems that required surgery, and those that receve organ donations, etc.



This is from the other page:

is it because blacks a genetically pre-disposed to being lazy?

From my experiences, I actually have given this thought. However, Blacks do tend to be more violent, more likely to be addicted to drugs, more likely to be alcoholics.
On the topic of genetics, I happened to have taken a course in my studies in High School - any questions please PM me. More the point, Wattson actually states that Blacks may be genetically predisposed to certain things, like drugs, basketball, and sex drive. He sites a study that took certain chemicals only found in blacks, and gave a man a 14 hour erection. Coincidence?

http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2007/10/23/james-d-watson-vs-leon-kass/ because I couldn't find the article from MSN, I will be searching though.

Again, some of my best friends are black, but they don't act like every other "ghetto" person, even though they grow up in the ghettos.

 

[Kietharr]

I find that absolutely laughable. Blacks more genetically predisposed to playing basketball? What kind of fucking crackpots are you listening to? Chemicals only found in blacks? That is completely preposterous, the human races are essentially genetically identical other than a few markers, the differences are truly skin deep. I highly doubt there is some sort of special super black man's chemical that gives him super hard ons.

 

[Black Rayquaza]

If Obama declares Hillary his running mate its game over :] Hopefully if he dosent, he'll get someone alright.

If you look at the candidates issues I find Obama has better plans....with Hillary with him, they MIGHT get them done. I think the US is tired of living on empty promises (cough cough BUSH cough cough) so I think even if Hillary isnt in the White House she'll be close enough to make a difference. Come on DEMOCRATS!!! Change FTW

-Black Rayquaza