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Election 2008, United States
- Thread starter Great Sage
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Can't you at least put up a disclaimer saying that "my national political center is much farther to the left than the u.s. political center"
"conservative liberal"
no, i'm not like george w. bush at all; I actually support shrinking the size of government and actually enacting fiscal responsibilty
"conservative liberal"
no, i'm not like george w. bush at all; I actually support shrinking the size of government and actually enacting fiscal responsibilty
Bush is a "liberal conservative", I called you a "conservative liberal". Believe it or not, there is a difference between the two terms. You seem to push the flaky, almost Randian 'no regulations/small government' philosophy - Anarchism that doesn't like to call itself such because 'Anarchists are flakes.' The sort of free market that, if ever realised, would quickly become infinitely more tyrannical than Right-wing Authoritarian opportunists hijacking a state in transition to Marxism, but with a cleaner, more corporate hair-do. It makes Obama sounds tame, really. And gosh I don't like Obama.
I'm a registered Democrat, but i'm not voting for Obama because of this:
Q) Obama is pushing hope and change, but hasn't yet told us how he plans on doing it, and as such, his message, while a good one, is completely empty.
A) You're obviously a racist.
The last thing America needs is that typically liberal racial paranoia indoctrinated into the system. When are people going to learn that reverse racism (giving special treatment to minorities, usually by taking from the majority) is nothing more than racism all over again? Voting for him just because he's black is the opposite of equality, and he doesn't have anything else to offer.
He's also got too many friends in low places: lunatic racists like Wright and Phleger, insane leftist political groups already playing the race card on his behalf, and hordes of sad and pathetic celebrities that only increase the perception that he's empty and vapid.
I guess i'll be voting for Nader like I have for the past three elections. When are we going to see a decent candidate?
Q) Obama is pushing hope and change, but hasn't yet told us how he plans on doing it, and as such, his message, while a good one, is completely empty.
A) You're obviously a racist.
The last thing America needs is that typically liberal racial paranoia indoctrinated into the system. When are people going to learn that reverse racism (giving special treatment to minorities, usually by taking from the majority) is nothing more than racism all over again? Voting for him just because he's black is the opposite of equality, and he doesn't have anything else to offer.
He's also got too many friends in low places: lunatic racists like Wright and Phleger, insane leftist political groups already playing the race card on his behalf, and hordes of sad and pathetic celebrities that only increase the perception that he's empty and vapid.
I guess i'll be voting for Nader like I have for the past three elections. When are we going to see a decent candidate?
Oh, come off it Rai. Obama has said a lot about what he plans to do. The frame that he's "Image over substance" is mere propaganda. It works mainly because he's younger and better-looking than McCain, and because the Republican policies look old and familiar after a few terms in Government, not because it is reality. I'm amazed at how often seemingly capable people trot that line out. You have the internet, there is no excuse for being so ill-informed these days.
If you like, the image that Obama is drastically lighter on policies than McCain is without substance.
If you like, the image that Obama is drastically lighter on policies than McCain is without substance.
Seconded. You may not like the policies that Obama espouses, but he has indeed made many proposals during the campaign. They're all over his website.
You may not like his proposals (or believe them), and no one is asking you to. Just try not to buy into the propaganda. Why would a politician running for the highest office in the US make any headway without proposing any solutions?
You may not like his proposals (or believe them), and no one is asking you to. Just try not to buy into the propaganda. Why would a politician running for the highest office in the US make any headway without proposing any solutions?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/navarrette.obamaspeech/index.html
This article sums up probably the biggest (reasonable) criticism of the speech - and it's certainly nothing new, because Democrats have been trying to thread this needle for decades, but it's worthwhile to note that the lack of a coherent economic message is probably the toughest issue for Democrats right now.
This article sums up probably the biggest (reasonable) criticism of the speech - and it's certainly nothing new, because Democrats have been trying to thread this needle for decades, but it's worthwhile to note that the lack of a coherent economic message is probably the toughest issue for Democrats right now.
Honestly, his proposals are bad math.
Considering that the "rich" already pay something like 80% of the taxes, how does he expect to get much more from them?
And then the fact that he wishes to cut taxes for everyone else (imagine me opposing cutting taxes)
And the fact that he proposed numerous new programs, higher Pell Grants, more spending on education, etc, etc
And then the fact that he expects to actually CUT deficits!
What the McCain campaign needs to do is say "All of Senator Obama's proposals sound very nice, but how does he propose to pay for this?"
Imo, Palin is a fucking amazing pick, with the exception that it kind of undercuts the idea of "Obama is not ready", though granted its for VP, and granted she's had executive as opposed to senatorial experience, but she's less experienced than Obama.
Also, tea and blues, can you describe to me just in what ways would a laissez-faire society (a real one, not "Bush corporatism") be tyrannical?
Considering that the "rich" already pay something like 80% of the taxes, how does he expect to get much more from them?
And then the fact that he wishes to cut taxes for everyone else (imagine me opposing cutting taxes)
And the fact that he proposed numerous new programs, higher Pell Grants, more spending on education, etc, etc
And then the fact that he expects to actually CUT deficits!
What the McCain campaign needs to do is say "All of Senator Obama's proposals sound very nice, but how does he propose to pay for this?"
Imo, Palin is a fucking amazing pick, with the exception that it kind of undercuts the idea of "Obama is not ready", though granted its for VP, and granted she's had executive as opposed to senatorial experience, but she's less experienced than Obama.
Also, tea and blues, can you describe to me just in what ways would a laissez-faire society (a real one, not "Bush corporatism") be tyrannical?
Until now I never even heard of Sarah Palin as she does seem like a great pick considering there are other of Alaska's GOP politicians either under investigation or have charges against them.
While I was impressed with Barack Obama's speech last night, I hope he at least fulfills his promises if he gets elected in November.
With the GOP convention scheduled to come up next week, I am quite concerned with it coinciding with Hurricane Gustav's predicting to hit New Orleans area by Monday or Tuesday as that can ruin any chance that McCain might have in this election. Perhaps the convention should be delayed until after the cleanup is taken care of, hopefully not to the scale that Katrina/Rita had back in 2005.
While I was impressed with Barack Obama's speech last night, I hope he at least fulfills his promises if he gets elected in November.
With the GOP convention scheduled to come up next week, I am quite concerned with it coinciding with Hurricane Gustav's predicting to hit New Orleans area by Monday or Tuesday as that can ruin any chance that McCain might have in this election. Perhaps the convention should be delayed until after the cleanup is taken care of, hopefully not to the scale that Katrina/Rita had back in 2005.
lol of course it is but its more important that she's a 100% conservative unlike "abortion flip-flop + socialized medicine dumpster fire" Romney (who I like on economics for the most part), or someone like Ridge or Lieberman who would torpedo the base
I know nothing about Pawlenty though.
Wow, a 72 year old senile man with a 44 year-old female governor of Alaska who hasn't even been in office more than 10 years. So when McCain croaks we will have a 44 year-old woman with 5 kids and no experience running the country.... Great pick McCain.
This should help Barack more than McCain (if voters know what is in their best interest).
This should help Barack more than McCain (if voters know what is in their best interest).
Palenty is an okay pick, I guess.
He balanced Minnesota's budget without raising taxes (although we are a "blue" state) after he came to office. We did have the lightrail though (in my opinion, a big waste. We have to use tax dollars to keep it working because not enough people ride it. Instead we could fix our DISMAL rode system, but only the bare minimum seems to happen for that...the money goes elsewhere.)
McCain announces his VP pick soon (whenever his birthday is. It's today, I think) so this might not matter much. Pawlenty or Romney would work well enough for McCain, but I don't know too much about the other choices...
He balanced Minnesota's budget without raising taxes (although we are a "blue" state) after he came to office. We did have the lightrail though (in my opinion, a big waste. We have to use tax dollars to keep it working because not enough people ride it. Instead we could fix our DISMAL rode system, but only the bare minimum seems to happen for that...the money goes elsewhere.)
McCain announces his VP pick soon (whenever his birthday is. It's today, I think) so this might not matter much. Pawlenty or Romney would work well enough for McCain, but I don't know too much about the other choices...
There are so many things wrong with Palin that it's not even funny. She's clearly a pander to the Clinton voters who still aren't sure about Obama, and she has next to no experience (just 2 years). In fact, Palin is currently being investigated for ethics violations by the Republican-controlled Alaska state legislature.
Guys, guys. All you are required to know is at about 2:45 of this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pak-rH0dCeA
But... yeah, McCain is underminding his whole arguement that Obama is too inexperienced. Compared to Obama, Palin looks like she's fresh out of the nursery:
Obama is 47, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard with a J.D., had 8 years in the Illinois State Senate, and 4 years in the US Senate.
Palin is 44, has a Bachelors in Journalism from the University of Idaho, served on a city council, was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (population ~8000), ran for Lt. Governor and lost and is now less than two years into her term as Governor.
Seeing as she's so very conservative, I fail to see how many pro-life women will flip over to the GOP's ticket 'just because she's a women'.
Really, it's all quite baffling.
But... yeah, McCain is underminding his whole arguement that Obama is too inexperienced. Compared to Obama, Palin looks like she's fresh out of the nursery:
Obama is 47, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard with a J.D., had 8 years in the Illinois State Senate, and 4 years in the US Senate.
Palin is 44, has a Bachelors in Journalism from the University of Idaho, served on a city council, was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (population ~8000), ran for Lt. Governor and lost and is now less than two years into her term as Governor.
Seeing as she's so very conservative, I fail to see how many pro-life women will flip over to the GOP's ticket 'just because she's a women'.
Really, it's all quite baffling.
That's what strikes me the most about this veep choice. McCain is obviously throwing a hail mary here, you'd think he wouldn't touch anything Alaskan with a 20-foot pole.
Palin was a terrible pick by McCain and I really hope the Obama campaign attacks her properly. Instead of saying "She is inexperienced" the Obama campaign needs to come out like so:
By picking Palin as his Vice President, McCain has endorsed her as being ready to take control of the presidency from Day 1 if McCain is ever incapacitated. Palin has similar political experience to Obama (her journalism degree is laughable) thus McCain has just announced that Obama is experienced enough to take the presidency day one.
The only argument that remains is "She's a governor; he's a Senator." McCain has no other experience argument now. Disastrous pick for the campaign.
ALSO!
VPILF!
By picking Palin as his Vice President, McCain has endorsed her as being ready to take control of the presidency from Day 1 if McCain is ever incapacitated. Palin has similar political experience to Obama (her journalism degree is laughable) thus McCain has just announced that Obama is experienced enough to take the presidency day one.
The only argument that remains is "She's a governor; he's a Senator." McCain has no other experience argument now. Disastrous pick for the campaign.
ALSO!
VPILF!
I think this is a smart move on McCain's part. He's stealing the historic aspect of Obama's campaign right out from under him. We'll either have a black president or a female vice president, and McCain has one and a half feet in the grave.
Now all the bleeding hearts that are voting for a minority just because can vote for McCain if they want. And he just stole every Hilary supporter's vote.
I think this will create alot of pathetic hypocrisy on both sides, though. Liberals that have been ignoring Obama's lack of experience will suddenly find lack of experience quite important, and Conservatives will support this chick after attacking Obama relentlessly for his own noobishness.
Great for McCain, but not very good for the country. I'm moving to Canada! Hur hur!
Now all the bleeding hearts that are voting for a minority just because can vote for McCain if they want. And he just stole every Hilary supporter's vote.
I think this will create alot of pathetic hypocrisy on both sides, though. Liberals that have been ignoring Obama's lack of experience will suddenly find lack of experience quite important, and Conservatives will support this chick after attacking Obama relentlessly for his own noobishness.
Great for McCain, but not very good for the country. I'm moving to Canada! Hur hur!
Odd choice but Palin is still more experience than than Barak Obama. Lets examine, being a State Senator is a joke. I know this from experience, they don't do shit so ignore that. Now, Obama has been in the Senate for a little less and 4 years. Palin has been a governor for a little less than 2 years. Since when is a senator equivalent to a governor? They aren't. I'd consider 2 years of being governor far more experience than being 4 years in the senate. Not to mention, Obama has been a lazy fucking Senator these last two years. In fact, both Obama and McCain have been. This term, McCain has missed 63% of the votes and Obama 45%. The difference is though, McCain has been there forever so we know where he stands, Obama, not so much.
Anyway, I think they both made terrible choices but it's pretty ridiculous to argue about Obama's "experience".
Edit: For the record, since when is intelligence judged by where you go to college? I know fucking retards that got into Harvard and I know very intelligent people that went to a local school. Where you went to school is the most laughable way to measure intelligence.
If you honestly think he just stole every Hillary supporter's vote with a pro-abortion, pro-oil, pro-gun candidate you are gravely mistaken. The PUMAs are stirring up trouble, but they were started by Republicans in the first place. After both of the Clintons' speeches at the convention, anyone who supported Hillary for anything other than "she's a woman" should be behind Obama. It makes literally zero sense for anyone who supported hillary's policies to go for McCain.
This is a disgusting pick by McCain because he is assuming what you are assuming: Women will vote for a woman just because. If anything is sexist it is that. After the initial shock wears off and she is out on the campaign trail and going up against Joe Biden for christ's sake it will be seen that this is an entirely superficial pick that is a desperate move by McCain. She brings absolutely nothing to the ticket that is not a vagina.
This is a disgusting pick by McCain because he is assuming what you are assuming: Women will vote for a woman just because. If anything is sexist it is that. After the initial shock wears off and she is out on the campaign trail and going up against Joe Biden for christ's sake it will be seen that this is an entirely superficial pick that is a desperate move by McCain. She brings absolutely nothing to the ticket that is not a vagina.
I guess you have a point. I just don't like to accuse people of sexism with no evidence, it's a small thing but I typically like to have evidence before I make accusations. To each their own I suppose.