Torn and distorted, your team a plunder

With the release of Platinum, I have really been interested with the move changes, and especially Shaymin sky form, formally "Skymin." I have been checking out the movesets and looking for a way to keep it alive and effective, besides the fact that quite a few pokemon recieve Ice moves in Platinum. The whole purpose of this was to create a team that could handle the dynamic new gameplay from Platinum and recreate it, forming a team of superpowers that can cover each others backs "snergy" as well as having alot of energy and power on the battlefield, whilst still keeping it offensive.

"For the Alliance!"

The Team:
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Plan of action: Leading with Houndoom, I can start off offensive right away considering the fact that most will expect me to be the NP Houndoom instead of the Scarved version. If a counter is brought in I switch in an appriopriate counter to come and stop it. Most offensive teams can't understand the fact that you can't just throw 6 sweepers together and expect them to win games. You have to be able to have a fallback if one of your key players dies, and you can't rely on one pokemon to win every battle. Gyarados is also scarved, giving me the element of surprise when any of those psychic types come to touch me. Gengar is automatically outsped and OHKO'd.
Jolteon and Gyarados have excellent synergy due to the fact that Gyarados is OHKO'd by almost any spark, and Jolteon can take it and use it, forming a win-win situation for both pokemon. Skymin hates Ice, as well as Donphan. Gyarados can take Ice, it doesn't really do much to him. Houndoom can take Ice, as he is almost immune to it as well. Scizor's main and only weakness is fire, whilst Houndoom is running Flash fire. If, under any circumstances, Jolteon is OHKO'd, Gyarados can switch to Donphan to take his hits.


In Depth:

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Houndoom @ Choice Scarf

Flash Fire
Timid Nature
252 Special Attack/252 Speed/6 Hp
-Overheat
-Hidden power Ground
-Dark Pulse
-Thunder Fang

A Closer Look: Houndoom with a Choice Scarf is no laughing matter. He is one of the #1 counters for Azelf, Bronzong, Yanmega, Gengar..and those are only the leads. Everything is pretty standard besides the fact that I threw Thunder Fang in there. The only reason for this is to finish off wounded Gyarados that could potentially hurt or threaten my team if Jolteon comes to an untimely death. Yanmage leads usually protect first turn, expecting to outspeed my Houndoom, and take an Overheat to the face, either utilizing their Focus Sash, or dying on the spor. Azelf suicide leads set up SR and lose 99% of their health. Fair trade for me I suppose. They then realize that they can't hurt me and switch out, or try to explode and die. Gengar leads are quickly OHKO'd by Dark Pulse, and Bronzong takes a hefty amount of damage also.

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Gyarados @ Choice Scarf

Adamant Nature
252 Speed/252 Attack/6 Hp
-Outrage
-Waterfall
-Bite
-Earthquake

A Closer Look: There honestly wasn't enough space for my Gyarados' in terms of moves. I could've filled the slots with Stone Edge, Aqua Tail, etc. Outrage wrecks Dragons and really makes Gyarados a contender, he doesn't have to worry about Ice fang not OHKO'ing. waterfall is STAB and pretty much a staple. Bite outspeeds Gengar and rips them into shadows for the OHKO. earthquake takes the magnezone and Metagross that dare to outspeed me, and creates a rift into the Earth that they can sink into. Gyarados has quite a bit of potential, which will eventually be recognized. Formally Artisandos, he has netted me quite a bunch of kills, all the morons ask me if he's scarved after he outspeeds their gengar. The surprise factor here is huge on this guy, and either can make or break someone's team. The 252 Speed evs are necessary to deal with Weavile, even thoughy he's not a "threat.""His soul is adrift in oceans of madness"

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Jolteon @ Leftovers

Timid Nature
252 Special Attack/252 Speed/6 Hp
-Yawn
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
-Thunderbolt

A Closer Look: Yawn jolteon is really a force. The substitutes really put opponents into a worry state of mind. If they stay in, I get to set up a substitute and pass it to one of my beasts. Lefties is self explanitory, especially paired with Volt absorb. Scizor can hopefully get an SD up with a sub, and start to demolish the opposing team. The set is quite standard, and as standard it is still quite tough to counter. The fact that Jolteon gets Magnet rise will probably raise his usage by about 20%. Since my Gyarados usually sticks around until late game, this thing is going to be taking alot of Thunderbolts and electric attacks, and gaining more and more stamina to pass more substitutes. Magnet rise isn't needed due to the fact that I have a Gyarados...

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Shaymin Sky Forme @ Life Orb

Timid Nature
252 Speed/252 Special Attack/6 Hp
-Seed Flare
-Air Slash
-Earth Power
-Hidden Power Ice

A Closer Look: Skymin is really wreckless. Registeel, Mamoswine, and Weavile all threaten my bby ;D, but they won't touch her due to the fac that Scizor says hey to Mamoswine and Weavile, and Registeel gets touched by outrage and melts into nothingness. Air Slash is a force all it's own, especially with Serene Grace. Seed Flare slaps Swampert in the face, Celebi can't take an Air slash, the legendary birds can't do anything really. Earth power stops Metagross and Jirachi, and Hidden power is just...there I guess. He is obviously a threat, and I can honestly say that this thing is one of the best pokemon in OU today. Sure his Ice weakness is abysmal, but look at his other stats.

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Scizor @ Life Orb
Technician
Adamant Nature
252 Hp/252 Attack/6 Speed
-Baton Pass
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-X Scissor​

A Closer Look: Again, there wasn't enough space in his movepool. Technician SD LO priority moves are the focus of this set,with X scissor getting STAB. Pursuit wasn't necessary as I have two counters to the standard Gengar, and Bullet Punch. Baton pass is a great idea, as passing an SD to Gyarados would be devastating (for the opponents of course!) X scissor because it gets STAB and is extremely powerful. Baton passing is going to be fun!
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Donphan @ Leftovers

Impish Nature
252 Def/252 Hp/6 Def
-Ice Shard
-Earthquake
-Rapid Spin
-Stealth Rock

A Closer Look: It's sole purpose is to set up SR and Spin. Ice shard deals nice Damage to quite a few things, and Earthquake takes on Lucario and deals about 50% to him. Not much to say, he's quite standard.


Threat List:
Legend:
Anything in Black poses no threat
Anything in Blue is a minor threat
Anything in Purple shows a threat
anything in Bold Red is an immediate problem.

Tyranitar: Tyranitar is usually always able to take out one of any players pokemon, also its speed stat is usually its weakness. For the standard Physical set I switch in Gyarados, who outspeeds and deals enough damage to make Gyarados run or die. Donphan can also deal with the physical set. The special set is a little bit more complicated, but I can always use Skymin to stop it easily. Tyraniboah usually isn't a problem because Donphan can break his subs and either stop him, or break his sub, and get revenged.

Gyarados: DDDos can get in a DD and be a potent threat. Scizor can deal damage and it could be a sort of tie, but other than that...BulkyDos doesn't last a minute with Jolteon in the wings.


Infernape: Any version of Infernape gets slapped in the face with Hidden power Ground from Houndoom, outsped by Gyarados, and OHKO'd.


Azelf: Suicide lead Azelf is 100% countered by Houndoom's Dark Pulse.

Electivire: All electivire sets are OHKO'd by Gyarados' Earthquake

Heracross: All Heracross sets are OHKO'd by Houndoom's Overheat.

Salamence: SpecsMence/CBMence max speed is always a bitch, although I have 3 pokemon that can be called counters. Gyarados' Outrage deals amazing damage, OHKOing and outspeeding Sala on the spot. Donphan's Ice Shard deals massive, if not OHKOing damage. Skymin uses HP Ice to put him down.

Togekiss: NpTogekiss can always deal damage and be a problem with it's flinchhax of death, but the cute and cuddly flying type can't compete with Skymin and its own Air Slash and Hp Ice, although it still poses a threat.

Gengar: Choice Scarf Gengar poses a large threat, and usually takes out one or two pokemon before going down. Scizor can usually stop it, but pending on Hypnosis. Standard Gengar poses absolutely no threat thanks to Houndoom.

Lucario: Any version: Houndoom outspeeds Lucario and rapes it with overheat

Starmie: Houndoom's Dark Pulse OHKO's everytime.

Weavile: All versions of Weavile are countered by Gyarados, Scizor, and Houndoom.

Dugtrio: Donphan's Ice Shard OHKO's before it can touch me. Gyarados' Waterfall easily OHKO's.

Porygon-Z: No me gusta Porygon Z (I don't like Porygon Z). He is a threat. I can always take him out, but usually end up having to sacrifice one or two of my own.

Machamp: Skymin OHKO's 100% of the time with Air Slash, meaning that Machamp poses absolutely no threat, any set.

Snorlax: Curselax is evil. He is practically impossible to stop. Any other sets don't pose a threat.

Zapdos: Shaymin sky forme rips this thing into pieces with Hp Ice.

Suicune: Cmcune isn't as much of a threat now that my Gyarados has Outrage.

Breloom: Houndoom outspeeds him and burns him into hell.

Ninjask: Donphan's Ice Shard, Houndoom's Overheat...

Metagross: Gyarados outspeeds and OHKO's with Earthquake. Worst case scenario I call out Skymin to OHKO Metagross with earth Power.

Heatran: See Metagross

Celebi: Sczior can boost on it and hit it with an SD X Scissor.

Jirachi: See Metagross or Heatran

Dragonite: See Salamence

Mamoswine: Gyarados STAB Waterfall OHKO's him easily.

Gallade: This thing is always a threat. His SD set can wreck havoc on opponents, although Skymin has Air Slash to tone him down a few notches.

Yanmega: I'll say it now. This thing is always a threat. He is uncounterable, as there is no Priority fire move at the moment, and Ice Shard just isn't doing it. Even if Ice shard deals with him, I will always consider him a threat.

Kingdra: It used to be a huge threat but now with Outrage Gyarados can stop it.

Roserade: I have no clue how he snuck into OU. Houndoom OHKO's with Overheat.

Scizor: Houndoom always outspeeds Scizor and hits him hard with Overheat.

Deoxys-s: Always a threat, Deoxys S can't OHKO Jolteon with a single shot, which means that I can hit him with a tbolt for heavy damage, and either finish him with Donphan's Ice Shard, or vice versa.

- I hope you guys enjoyed reading this team
 
I may be using Brick Break/Night Slash for Scizor's set, because it hits steel/bulky psychic, ghosts with a lot more power.
 
..Jesus I always get mixed up with Outrage and Overheat, novie mistake there. Two pokemon cover Scarftran, so he won't be a threat,. The only possible way that Scarftran can go through this team is with hp electric, in which he doesn't carry Hp ice, which means that Donphan can stop him. Skymin is usable though.

I have no clue why people post comments, yet don't rate the team; but whatever.
 
real rate coming soon, though maybe tomorrow if I can't squeeze in some time. but before I go, scarfdos really can't deal damage fast or hard enough to be effective, mebbe mence instead? though you do get a huge ice weak then. ugh, when I think of something, I'll tell ya.
 
Lol, works for me. Scarfdos is really ment for surprise, and maybe for someone to steal >:X. Anyways, yah then I'd be SR hurt, and if I lose Donphan...
 
With Donphan having barely any Def EVs your whole team lacks walls and can get picked apart by anything good at statusing (Rotom's new forms).

252 Speed is unneeded on Gyarados as long as you can outrun what you need to and be durable enough to survive a bit.

One of the biggest things you need to look out for are the pogeys that use trick, as they can completely destroy the synergy of a team. I'd suggest giving Scizor Baton Pass over Quick Attack, just imagine how much havoc it'd raise by passing SDs to Gyarados.
 
Great idea. 252 Speed is needed to outspeed Weavile, and I enjoy knowing that I can outspeed alot of things base 90+. Hp evs on Scarf Gyara aren't really going to do much. 12 hp evs won't really do a thing, so...

Anyways i'll take your advice with Baton pass, as I see what you mean.
 
Did you even read the topic? Bite stops Gengar that come in on me, and other psychics such as Alakazam. Besides, what do base powers matter if they are going to OHKO a pokemon anyways? If you can show me that Waterfall can OHKO Gengar, i'll take it.(I'm lazy to run calcs, that's you guys job ^^) also i'm adding a threat list so...


sorry that was done with haste,...
 
Waterfall will do the same damage to gengar and psychics as bite (slowbro, starmie and celebi are exceptions and gyarados shouldnt be staying in on celebi and slowbro anyway).

also I wuold give scizor roost and it does not counter mamoswine without it and weavile can also wear it down with repeated brick breaks. I would replace roost with baton pass as baton passing boosts to a choiced sweeper is not a good idea (and gyarados should be the only pokemon you are baton passing to). For example if u baton pass boosts to gyarados, you use waterfall and vaperon comes in. You have to switch out because you are locked into waterfall and you just lost all your boosts.

Stone edge > bite
Roost > baton pass
 
Houndoom: destroyed by focus blast
Jolteon: Takes a lot from shadow ball
Gyarados: Fried from thunderbolt
Donphan: Takes a lot from shadow ball
Scizor: Focus blast is a probably 2HKO (too lazy to run calcs)
Skymin: Hp ice destroys it.

How exactly do you counter gengar when nothing can switch in safely?
 
darkartisan, did you just read RobertM's post? Waterfall is base 80. Bite is base 60. A super effective Bite effectively has 60*2 = 120 base power. Taking the 1.5 boosting effect of STAB, Waterfall's relative base power is 120 as well. This means that Bite has the exact same chance of OHKOing Gengar since they are applied at the same step in the damage formula.

Therefore, your Gyarados set should look like this:

Gyarados @ Choice Scarf
Nature: Adamant
Ev's: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 Hp
-Waterfall
-Ice Fang
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake

Ice Fang over Outrage is best because Gyarados doesn't have bad coverage to begin with, and being stuck into a weak Outrage is inferior to being able to switch and still do more to Salamence and Dragonite without a Yache Berry. Ice Fang also rounds out the coverage on your set. It seems that you have no need for more speed- you may want to try DD Gyarados instead, or even Taylor's bulky Resttalk version. You need a way to deal with status reliably, and while this doesn't do as much for attacking as something like Resttalk Guts Heracross, it works rather well. Not much on your team can set up a sweep- they have good synergy, but aren't very versatile.

Thing is, people on other forums already are using your Gyarados set >.<

On Scizor, I would use Roost over Baton Pass, as it makes Scizor a force to be reckoned with. Plus, without any recovery, Scizor won't be eliminating your large Tyranitar weakness too easily. Or Deoxys-S. Donphan won't be liking CB EQ too much either, especially when you rely on him for Rapid Spinning and much more. If you don't feel like that, you could go Wish over Yawn on Jolteon.

I like the idea of the team, and it's nicely presented. Just watch out for Roar Zapdos, who can cause some issues for your team. Even if it has Hp Ice, Zapdos is still one of the best OU switch-ins to Skymin. And it can hit back with a SE Hp Ice.

And Panamaxis, Scizor is not 2HKO'ed by Focus Blast. In fact, Scizor is a pretty good counter for Gengar, if it has Roost. So I'll say it again. Use roost over Baton Pass.
 
Thanks for all your help. I created the Gyarados on another team, and kinda didn't want to let go. Whatever, I started it on smogon (<3) I'm actually surprised that people use my set...it made my day ;_;.lol! I'll go roost over Baton pass, it sounds better anyways. I'll also use that set you presented. I acutally used that set in the beginning, but wanted a way to deal with Kingdra easier.


Eh it works...
 
Oh yes, I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but Gyarados cannot OHKO max Hp Tyranitar, even after Tyranitar switches into SR. With CB Crunch being a 2HKO all the time, I wouldn't be confident in switching Gyarados in on Tyranitar. So the common CBtar may be more of a nuisance than you would like. But whatever, you can handle him with Scizor.

Also, I wouldn't worry about Curselax too much, as the utterly broken Skymin can reduce his special defense to nothing, then flinchhax him to death.
 
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