I know my first 2 matches were from Lottery winners, but apparently my 3rd match was from a Regional winner. And then Zerowing, and then 616.
Bold = Brag. :P Not that I'm bashing, mind you.
*goes on the prowl* ME WANT FEMALE! LoL. :P
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Bold = Brag. :P Not that I'm bashing, mind you.
Obviously it was a good decision for 616. If it didn't work because of the rules, he would have gotten the loss, which is what would have happened anyway. But for Vash, not so much. Everyone's argument seems to be "only care about yourself", so if that's the case why do you want to lose? Why help a fellow smogoner make it. If you don't think zerowing can jump up enough in the tiebreaker to make it in, why let someone who might be your competition have a spot? As TRE said(which I disagree with, but as Vash said, he didn't know what would happen with the results since it was the heat of the moment, and we are in their shoes remember), 616 might not have made it. Maybe all of his opponents lost every match after they lost to 616 hurting his tiebreaker, causing him not to make it. So if we should only care about ourselves, why are we helping our competition?
@Mosquito: I disagree, even though we have 16 players to Japan's 8, I fully expect us to be dominated, not dominant. However, I do think it's possible for there to be a german player winning it as an underdog. I just don't think the US will do too well. For the top 4 I'm predicting one American, Batpig, since he got his regional winning team from zerowing, maybe zerowing will give him a team that can handle the Japanese top teams, One German, who I have no clue who it will be, and two Japanese, who I also have no clue who they will be.
@Damanzi: I doubt the percentages are the same, since 4-0 is winning 4 out of a possible 5, where 5-0 is winning 5 out of a possible 5. And even if they are the same percentages, obviously a 5-0 record is weighted more than a 4-0 record, because if they add up the total games, adding a 4/4 doesn't affect it as much as a 5/5 would.
Except mine. I simply wanted to help another Smogoner, and I did. Not one of these aftermath calculations were running through anyone's mind at the time of them playing, I'm sure. So pretty much everything is heresay and pointless.
@Generalization: And if another argument is "Knock out another smogoner so a different smogoner can get in," then that is both fucked up and selfish.
Didn't I say without the most experienced player from last year, we will be killed by the Japs? I do expect us, however, to beat some of the Europeans. The Japs, however, have the best method of qualifying, allowing about every person who want to join to join, and then cleansing the players to 8 extremely good players. I personally think U.S.A. has some of the worst players, but we have very good players that should put us on level with the rest of the world. Btw, does anyone know if Izuru Yoshimura or Yasuhito Kajiwara are representing the Japs again?
The tiebreaker was not based strictly off of win-loss records. As an example, take a look at the the picture of the results for Flight 4. Grace has a "Opponent's Win %" of 57.00%. Choose any 5 opponents you want and you can't get 57%.
Let's say her opponent were:
4-1, 3-2, 3-2, 2-3, 2-3
That's a 56% average. If you swap any of the opponents for an opponent with an extra win, the average goes up to 60%. 57.00% is impossible if the tiebreaker is strictly based on win-loss record.
Let's say her opponent were:
4-1, 3-2, 3-2, 2-3, 2-3
That's a 56% average. If you swap any of the opponents for an opponent with an extra win, the average goes up to 60%. 57.00% is impossible if the tiebreaker is strictly based on win-loss record.
Depends how it's calculated. If it's an average of each opponent's win percent, it's exactly as I said. If it's adding every win+loss together as a whole for all of the opponents, then you are correct and it would be effected by a very small margin (missing one win and adding no losses).
Looking at the chart it would seem to be in favor of how I figure it's done, though.
It must have been a typo, lol. Because you said "Well, looking at these results, it's safe to assume we're going to be dominant in Worlds." You probably meant dominated. And yeah, I agree with you and your logic behind it 100%. Allowing everyone who wants to play in, and even allowing 2nd chance qualifiers for those who got unlucky, along with their numerous number of rounds before they get to the national championships makes their method the best, and gives them the best players. And I hear that Izuru did indeed make top 8 in Japan, but I'm unsure of all the details, such as his team, and the proof isn't 100% reliable. Yasuhito, I have no idea on, but he probably didn't make it.
So doesn't this just help my argument againt damanzi? Unless I'm misunderstanding your post, you make it seem like they use something more complicated than wins vs losses. Maybe they use a really complicated chain, taking into account the opponents of the opponents, who knows.
an Intentional tie is part of the tournament scene. I used to play Magic: The Gathering non stop (I mean, every major tournament in MA, some in NH, VT, RI, and even CT, as well as every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday), and, Intentional Ties are part of the game. The point of a tournament is to win, and, you should secure your spot first, before you think of others. Whether one is a better player or not means nothing, as, they're not playing better that day, who's to say they will at Worlds? If I need an intentional tie to help my chances, I'll do it. I'd rather guarantee a spot than risk a loss that could push me out of top 4/8/16, whatever it happens to be.
I'm not trying to bash anyone, but, when you're in a tournament, you're in it to win if you're a competetive player, not to help someone else win, friend or not.
I'm not trying to bash anyone, but, when you're in a tournament, you're in it to win if you're a competetive player, not to help someone else win, friend or not.
You aren't losing, you're drawing. If it were to count as a loss that would have been an obviously ridiculous decision for both players, but it was for a draw. It's not a case of wanting to lose, at all.
Was Vash 100% guaranteed to win that match against sixonesix? I don't know. But there was possibly still a chance of Vash losing to sixonesix and that could have been troublesome, so a draw was a good compromise in that situation for both.
Both players knew if they lost, they could have a bit of trouble. Simple answer? A draw. In this scenario a draw worked for both Vash and sixonesix - both out for themselves. Both kept a clean record, both got through.
I wouldn't say it's "bad", or "against the rules". Obvious breaking the rules is pretty poor in my view, such as Sidd changing his team over and over when it was against the rules. That's far worse than forcing a draw in my opinion.
I think that what Vash did was right.
Ipl, did you use my team?
Btw, I have 6 Vgc teams, anyone going to worlds, feel free to use them.
Ipl, did you use my team?
Btw, I have 6 Vgc teams, anyone going to worlds, feel free to use them.
As I understand the story from Vash and zerowing, Vash was about to win but was the one who asked 616 for a draw. And they both already had the spots locked up anyway. As for the "why do you want to lose", that was in response to a lot of other people's posts, such as those who said to do it because zerowing would be a threat in worlds, and to only care about yourself. Also, maybe I should have phrased it as "why don't you want to win" lol. I agree with you on the last part, what Sidd did was also bad, both from a moral standpoint and a strategical one though. There's no advantage to switching teams every single round. But since he didn't make top 16 or eliminate the only player remaining from last years tournament, it isn't a hot topic, so no one really cares what he did, myself included. But if it was Sidd who ended up switching teams completely to beat zerowing or something knocking him out of the tournament, I'm sure all the heat would be on him, so it's nothing personal against Vash really.
Edit: I'm going out to go play tennis, so I'm done arguing over this. I just want to say I'm not arguing the reason for 616 to explode. Obviously it was a great decision for him strategically. I'm just arguing those who think it was a good idea for Vash to offer a tie when he had the win, and their reasoning behind their opinion which I find faulty.
Lol@how nobody's backing up the 2 English guys.
Shoe isn't bad, you know. He just did badly in the final. =P
Sadman too: he was good enough to beat McSpam who beat Havak, so the 2 English guys are good. Should be better next year though lol. I have a much much better team design waiting to materialise itself for next year. And who knows, I might have it ready for San Diego for Shoe to use as a backup team. It really kicks that much ass.
Shoe isn't bad, you know. He just did badly in the final. =P
Sadman too: he was good enough to beat McSpam who beat Havak, so the 2 English guys are good. Should be better next year though lol. I have a much much better team design waiting to materialise itself for next year. And who knows, I might have it ready for San Diego for Shoe to use as a backup team. It really kicks that much ass.
I did the math.. Wing didn't get in even if I won. He would have lost anyway because his first 2 opponents had shitty win/loss rations. One of them was 1-4, and the other was the same or 2-3. :\
Sorry, wing.
Sorry, wing.
This is pretty much what I said in my last post, so obviously I strongly concur.
As far as the results go, I am happy that there were so many smogoners in the top 16. Obviously, it would have been optimal if all 16 players were smogoners, but things can't always be perfect. Good luck to everyone tomorrow, hopefully we will see some smogoners placing well. For worlds, I am hoping that some of the smogoners do well. You can't expect too much from the other people who got in, but who knows, someone might come out of nowhere and surprise everyone. As for the competition, I have no idea what to expect from the Europeans. The japanese are obviously extremely talented, but I think that it is anyone's game at this point.
I know in MtG tourneys (which are also swiss tourneys) they allow intentional draws, so it isn't uncommon practice.
Not sure what the rules for this tourney are.
I dont agree with the bolded statement, that is terrible imo. Seriously, almost everyone on this site is an elitist in some way shape or form but there are differences between saying "I'm the best and I like winning" to "Wow so I'm going to abuse the system so I get in no matter what, even if it shits on someone else". Don't give the cockbull about "he wasn't going to make it anyways".. I hate these what if statements to justify what was done was right or wrong because if it doesn't or does affect anyone the intentions are clear anyways. I just hope this is fixed for next year or we will see this scenario happen again. I guarantee it.
There's nothing wrong with it. Elitist attitude has nothing to do with it.
What Vash & 616 did is perfectly acceptable in a situation like this. Whether zerowing would have made it or not shouldn't even be an issue. If you have a chance (that's within the rules, of course) to make sure you absolutely lock up your spot, you TAKE IT. Doing anything less would be foolish.
1. In this tournament, 128 players were divided into 4 flights of 32 players each. In each flight, a player played a match against another player. After the result of their match was recorded, players with similar records were matched up. 5 matches were played by each player, and the players with the 4 best records in their flights went on to the top 16. In the case of a tie in records, the opponent's win percentage, among other things, were factored in as a tiebreaker. The top 16 will play in a single-elimination style tournament tomorrow to determine final placings.
2. I have no idea. Some other people might know, though.
3. The tournament is not even over yet, so I would suspect that there will be a few videos yet.
Actully, it was the site you posted on skarmbliss that I really found interesting about the german tournaments. I watched all of those youtube videos and all of them were very interesting. You guys seem experienced with this type of play, although all of the videos I saw were advanced battles and multi-battles for double battles, but iirc you said fatum(I think that's his name) won the whole german tournament this year and he seemed pretty successful by the looks of those videos and the rankings in the one thread. You also seemed to be near the top in the rankings and in a lot of the final videos so I wouldn't be surprised if either of you won.
Ok, thanks. The swiss rounds seemed complicated but yeah, thanks!
Yay!
I made it! Warstory coming! ^.6
I get to play on the stage tomorrow!
Yay!
(if only i had taken the time to breed those L1 magikarp and ditto... :( ...)
...I don't know about that. It seemed really easy for me for some reason. I guess I just got reeeeally lucky all day! Kind of like skipping through a minefield! ^.6
Oh yeah. Everybody just take a deep breath and chill and stop fighting okay? It's over for now.
I made it! Warstory coming! ^.6
I get to play on the stage tomorrow!
Yay!
(if only i had taken the time to breed those L1 magikarp and ditto... :( ...)
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...I don't know about that. It seemed really easy for me for some reason. I guess I just got reeeeally lucky all day! Kind of like skipping through a minefield! ^.6
That's the DANG TRUTH and anyone who begs to differ needs to seriously chill.
Awwe Dang. I was still trying to figure out the paperwork at the time :P
Oh yeah. Everybody just take a deep breath and chill and stop fighting okay? It's over for now.
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