-
Welcome to Smogon! Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon, and make sure you take some time to read the global rules.
Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.
- Thread starter Firestorm
- Start date
- Status
One way of fixing OHKO moves might be to make them have 0% accuracy. Then they'll only hit if you use something like Lock-On or Mind Reader the turn before. Also, more moves, such as Foresight, should have the same effect. Although OHKO moves will still be gimmicky, they won't be based on luck anymore.
Well the only pokemon that can learn a move that guarantees next hit and a 1 hit-KO move is articuno with Mind reader + sheer cold.
So unless we go back and give everything with a 1-hit-ko move mind reader or lock on....
On the topic of 1 move making certain pokemon good, i'd like to point out Breloom. Imagine it without spore. Food for thought :)
With Sleep Powder instead it'd be just a bit less reliable. Even with no sleep move, it would still be not too bad. Poison Heal is a great ability, and its attack stat is magnificent. It gets a good movepool too. Unfortunately, it's a bit slow, and Choice Scarf means forgoing Toxic Orb for Poison Heal, and not using Swords Dance. It does get Mach Punch at least. I've used it without Spore, but that people EXPECT Spore helps it.
Without a sleep move Breloom might make OU, and if not I could see it being BL. With Sleep Powder I reckon it would be definite OU.
Without a sleep move Breloom might make OU, and if not I could see it being BL. With Sleep Powder I reckon it would be definite OU.
Keyword might i think it would just be BL or high UU. Thank god it isn't though, i use Breloom on 60% of my teams:)
It's unfortunate something like Torterra or Leafeon doesn't get Sleep Powder :( I think they would utilize it quite well. The former could use Sleep Powder on just about any set, including Rock Polish, while the latter could make an even more reliable Baton Passer. I'd also like to see Synthesis/Moonlight/Morning Sun receive boosts. As of now, they are just poor Recover/Softboiled (in terms of reliability, less PP).
Leafeon is one of my favorite Pokemon. The problem is, though, it's walled by levitating steels, destroyed by Skarm, and all it has for fire types is Dig......Poor little Leafeon needs more than Sleep Powder to be OU....
And he gets Yawn, which has perfect accuracy.
Hate to burst your bubble, but It might not happen. The fact that Parasect was the only user of it and it has only usable stats in everything but speed, which is poor (makes him good for TR, though) until Shroomish learned it somewhere around lv 45. Even then, Breloom has great attack, but pretty low in every other bar Defense (which is still only usable) stat and only usable speed....
They are trying to make Spore very exclusive. GF knows enough about competitive battling to see it's broken enough on these OK Pokemon, let alone something faster/bulkier (135 attack is hard to top, but if a fast supporter like Jumpluff got it.....).
They probably see how Smeargle lives off those moves. lol
Grass is rooted to the earth; it's the same reason Fighting is resisted by Flying: They have difficulty hitting upwards, and upward attacks as a result are stronger against them.
Also, what if we got a Carnivine evo with an ability that made it immune to Bug and made its Grass attacks SE against Bug, Poison, and Flying? (DEATH TO SCIZOR!!!!)
lol. Straight to OU....maybe....
There might be other new Pokemon who knock Skarm, Forre, Scizzor, Zong, etc to BL, UU, or even NU (that would completely flip everything around)! All that's needed is another Heatran w/o a 4x weakness to one of the most common attack in the game. Some faster fires will probably knock down steels.
Or as mentioned, fire priority.
BTW, it would be beast. I use Carnivine on my gimmick team, and 74/72/72 is enough to live through things like Scizor. It's defenses and attack would soar after an evo.
i.e. Krabby has 100 Atk, which is boosted to 135 after it evolves, creating the highest Attack in RBY.
Hmm. If Rapidash evolved into a Fire/Steel type that looked like a motorcycle, with only 50 more BST (25 of it in speed), but still had a limited Fire/Steel movepool, and maybe a few wheel/spin or smoke-esque flavor moves, would it be OU?
@Rein - Kingler and Breloom only have 130 base attack. Kingler was tied with Machamp, Rhydon and Flareon for 2nd highest attack in RBY, behind Dragonite with 134. Krabby has 105 base attack.
If Ghost Rider were to ever have a Pokemon, I am forced to believe, without a reasonable doubt, that this would be it.
If only this forum had a thank/thumbs up button for posts like these.
I don't think Rapidash really has all that good a chance for an evo. With the horn on it's head we are more than likely to get a Unicorn/More mythological esque Pegasus evolution. It might be interesting if it were to turn into a Unicorn, and then have its type change from pure fire to pure normal.
well i would think that a fire snake would be pretty interesting
lol fire snake :P
lol fire snake :P
A limbless starter/Pokemon wouldn't be completely horrible if it was a Water or Normal Type. If normal, than it would have a large special move pool regardless, w/ access to T-Bolt, Flamethrower, Ice Beam, maybe even Surf.
Water would usually have Surf/Ice Beam (50% Chance of Waterfall if physical, seeing not all waters get it. i.e. Kingler is forced w/ CrabHammer's horrid accuracy), which is already decent coverage. Waterfall and Return would also give it great coverage, only resisted by Shedi and Empoleon.
Dragon would also give it use (Dunsparce evo!!) w/ access to Outrage, DD, Draco Meteor and Fire Blast.
There are some types where a limbless Pokemon would be beaten down, Grass and Fighting to name a few, but it can still work.
Water would usually have Surf/Ice Beam (50% Chance of Waterfall if physical, seeing not all waters get it. i.e. Kingler is forced w/ CrabHammer's horrid accuracy), which is already decent coverage. Waterfall and Return would also give it great coverage, only resisted by Shedi and Empoleon.
Dragon would also give it use (Dunsparce evo!!) w/ access to Outrage, DD, Draco Meteor and Fire Blast.
There are some types where a limbless Pokemon would be beaten down, Grass and Fighting to name a few, but it can still work.
Aerodactyl deserves Head Smash and Brave Bird in 5th gen by egg move or tutor. He would finally be the sweeping beast he was meant to be.
Concerning grass types, despite being adversely affected offensively and defensively by so many other types, this gives it an advantage when paired with a highly complementary type, similar to bug/steel. Grass combined with fighting, rock, water, fire, and steel all have great potential. I'd like the grass starter to be paired with one of these, preferably fighting.
Someone mentioned earlier about an idea for a grass starter based on a sphenodon/tuatara that goes dual psychic with the secret third eye. That would be awesome, but not as a starter, because grass/psychic has been done before and it's not a good combination, and I also think a tuatara would be better with only with a single evolution or none.
Concerning grass types, despite being adversely affected offensively and defensively by so many other types, this gives it an advantage when paired with a highly complementary type, similar to bug/steel. Grass combined with fighting, rock, water, fire, and steel all have great potential. I'd like the grass starter to be paired with one of these, preferably fighting.
Someone mentioned earlier about an idea for a grass starter based on a sphenodon/tuatara that goes dual psychic with the secret third eye. That would be awesome, but not as a starter, because grass/psychic has been done before and it's not a good combination, and I also think a tuatara would be better with only with a single evolution or none.
With bulk and a good support movepool, grass/psychic is completely viable (see Celebi). Hell, even with the limits of the grass starter, something like 110 HP / 70 Atk / 90 Def / 90 SpA / 95 SpD / 70 Spe (535 BST) would actually be good, although the lower Speed would put him at a disadvantage compared to Celebi. Of course, having access to something like Spore or Sleep Powder would differentiate this from Celebi, and probably put bulky Celebi out of business.
Aerodactyle'd be strong, but generally speaking Rock and Flying have somewhat repetitive coverage. He'd still end up relying on Earthquake to fill out its coverage, to take down steel types like Metagross and Jirachi, which means there'd still be something of a limit to its sweeping abilities.
Kind of like Aggron. It's true that Head Smash's incredible base power can make up for Aggron's "only" above average ATK stat, but having to combine it with Non-STAB earthquake leaves its overall power and coverage wanting combared to say, Rhyperior.
Kind of like Aggron. It's true that Head Smash's incredible base power can make up for Aggron's "only" above average ATK stat, but having to combine it with Non-STAB earthquake leaves its overall power and coverage wanting combared to say, Rhyperior.
While this is true, Aerodactyl would generally be more useful than Aggron or Rhyperior, even competing with Tyranitar for best rock type in OU. Tyranitar also has redundant coverage, and Aerodactyl's attack stat still allows it to 2HKO the things it needs to with Earthquake:
Jolly 252 atk CB vs. Wish Support Jirachi: 54.9%-64.8%
vs. Tank Metagross: 46.7%-55.5%
That's quite impressive, considering they are the two most defensive spreads you will likely see. Meanwhile, things like Hippowdon and Skarmory are being 2HKOed by Brave Bird and Head Smash, respectively.
It started about 20 minutes ago, and the segment that will reveal the new pokemon is airing at the end of the episode, so just wait.
6:30-7:30 EST, Pokebeach should have news on whatever they revealed in the next half hour.
- Status