Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

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Havak said:
Taking bets on VGC 2011 being 3v3...
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Oh joy. It's funny because I still haven't learned the Doubles metagame, and if I want to take part in the VGC '11 I'll need to learn the Triples metagame.

But I really don't think VGC '11 will be Triples format. Because the game, for the US at least, comes out in Spring of 2011. That gives people only a few months to actually get situated into the game and EV train Pokemon. I'm thinking that Nintendo or whoever hosts the VGC will push Triples back to '12, and keep the Doubles we know and hate for 2011. Eh, that's my two cents, but I don't really know atm. I'm just sad face. D:

Vratix said:
The new sarcophagus creeps me out (it is the hands). I don't think anything else has done that since I was nine and playing gen1 back when it came out.

The mantis-like thing is pretty cool. The crocodile is still my favorite of the newbies.

I agree that the red and blue thing is probably related to Nosepass, somehow, and I have some sneaking (but unfounded) suspicion that the "gothic lolita" totem pole thing is related to Mawile.

VGC will probably keep the same format of 2v2 regardless of the new 3v3 mechanic. 3v3 will just be a clusterfuck and have very little to do with any actual strategy. 2v2 utilizes just as much (if not more) strategic planning as 1v1 and even if the execution is faster in 3v3 than 2v2 it loses a lot of its essence to become a bit of a Scramble.

Also, Munna is totally a Drowzee prevo. No question.
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I think that 3v3 teams require a lot more planning out than 2v2 teams because it's a lot more crazy. If you want to use a Dugtrio, now you have be sure that both of your allies will either resist or be immune to it. If you want to use Surf, everything on your team better have Water Absorb, be part Water or Grass-type, or have insane SpD.

But the bit about Surf doesn't count because from what I've been saying, it'll get slashed to 66% like it was to 75% when Doubles was introduced.

And from what Serebii is saying, Munna's abilities can either be Synchronize or Forewarn. Y'know, and then Drowzee has Insomnia and Forewarn and likewise with Hypno. Not often do you see an ability being slashed from a Pokemon, and Munna's color scheme looks nothing like Drowzee or Hypno, so I don't think its a prevo. They are of the same or similar species, so they could be related in some way, but I don't think it is direct evolution.
 
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hay guys im a pokemon now

Nice designs though anyway. I can't help thinking the sarcophagus is a haunted jukebox, though.
 
Kurai said:
Oh joy. It's funny because I still haven't learned the Doubles metagame, and if I want to take part in the VGC '11 I'll need to learn the Triples metagame.

But I really don't think VGC '11 will be Triples format. Because the game, for the US at least, comes out in Spring of 2011. That gives people only a few months to actually get situated into the game and EV train Pokemon. I'm thinking that Nintendo or whoever hosts the VGC will push Triples back to '12, and keep the Doubles we know and hate for 2011. Eh, that's my two cents, but I don't really know atm. I'm just sad face. D:



I think that 3v3 teams require a lot more planning out than 2v2 teams because it's a lot more crazy. If you want to use a Dugtrio, now you have be sure that both of your allies will either resist or be immune to it. If you want to use Surf, everything on your team better have Water Absorb, be part Water or Grass-type, or have insane SpD.

But the bit about Surf doesn't count because from what I've been saying, it'll get slashed to 66% like it was to 75% when Doubles was introduced.

And from what Serebii is saying, Munna's abilities can either be Synchronize or Forewarn. Y'know, and then Drowzee has Insomnia and Forewarn and likewise with Hypno. Not often do you see an ability being slashed from a Pokemon, and Munna's color scheme looks nothing like Drowzee or Hypno, so I don't think its a prevo. They are of the same or similar species, so they could be related in some way, but I don't think it is direct evolution.
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I'm betting Munna is a sea elephant. And Slimer is probably a waterbear. That would explain the teddy bear appearance.
 
These are my speculations about some of the new pokemon.

Mole Thing: probably steel/ ground or steel/rock. This pokemon looks completely awesome.
Axe head: looks like an evil dragon, so maybe dragon/dark. It would be cool if he was dragon/bug, but at a closer look, he didn't look very mantis like.
Coffin: definite ghost, maybe ghost/rock or ghost/steel. Though it kind of looks like spiritomb, so maybe ghost/dark.
Spider: I'm saying Bug/Poison, and maybe even an evolution of ariodos. Though it's color scheme may suggest an elctric, color scheme does not determine type.
Goth Kirlia: It should be a Mawille evolution, so maybe steel/dark
 
And from what Serebii is saying, Munna's abilities can either be Synchronize or Forewarn. Y'know, and then Drowzee has Insomnia and Forewarn and likewise with Hypno. Not often do you see an ability being slashed from a Pokemon, and Munna's color scheme looks nothing like Drowzee or Hypno, so I don't think its a prevo. They are of the same or similar species, so they could be related in some way, but I don't think it is direct evolution.
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You know, they've actually done some strange things with abilities.

Eg.
Horsea has Swift Swim and Sniper while Seadra gets Poison Point instead of Swift Swim and Kingdra goes back to Horsea's set.
Venonat gets CompoundEyes and Tinted Lens whereas Venomoth loses CompoundEyes for Shield Dust.
But the weirdest one is Numel who gets Simple and Oblivious instead of Camerupt's Magma Armor and Solid rock.
The first time I noticed the above I had to say WTH since I was training a Swift Swim Horsea and was surprised when my Seadra had Poison Point.

Munna certainly looks like a baby Pokemon and most babies are preevies of existing Pokemon.
The whole sleep/dream flavour is there as well as well as certain broad elements of the Drowzee family design.
The jury is still out for me on this one but if I had to bet I'd probably bet Drowzee preevie at this time.
The fact that Munna was alluded to in Gen I games means that Drowzee might have been conceived as a three stage line whose first form we never saw.
 
Deluge, lol, you kind of posted that twice. ^___^

#14728 and #14732. Just sayin'.

Yeah, I will admit they have done weird things with abilities (I was damn shocked at Poison Point, too), but I just don't see Munna being a Drowzee prevo. Normally prevos have relatively a copy/pasta'd color scheme (see: Cleffa, Pichu, etc.), but Munna is pink and Drowzee is brown or orange, iirc. And Munna looks like a puffed-up ball of... pinkness, while Drowzee and Hypno look like humanoid figures.

Eh, we can't really say anything for sure, though.
 
I'm going with pure ground or ground/steel for Mole, godknows/god knows for the Axehead, Ghost/Rock for the sarcophagus and electric/bug [fuck yes] for the spider.

Personally I'm really excited by the variety of the Pokemon - maybe we can expect to explore some tombs in the desert area where we can find sarcophamon?
 
Kurai said:
Deluge, lol, you kind of posted that twice. ^___^

#14728 and #14732. Just sayin'.

Yeah, I will admit they have done weird things with abilities (I was damn shocked at Poison Point, too), but I just don't see Munna being a Drowzee prevo. Normally prevos have relatively a copy/pasta'd color scheme (see: Cleffa, Pichu, etc.), but Munna is pink and Drowzee is brown or orange, iirc. And Munna looks like a puffed-up ball of... pinkness, while Drowzee and Hypno look like humanoid figures.

Eh, we can't really say anything for sure, though.
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I did post it twice!?
LOL sorry.
I was having a slow connection and may have submitted twice without noticing.
Anyway, I guess we'll find out soon enough about the mystery of Munna. It really could go either way. Munna's form is quite a bit different from Drowzee and Hypno compared to other confirmed preevies' relation to their evolved forms.
 
I wanted a Jynx evo/ smoochum alt but...
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Oh, halo thar. Same head shape. It's got the same arm pose... same placement of head protrusions... looks like a special attacker... yeah. Not a Mawile evo. Don't make fun of Mawile like that.
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And the lips arn't too random either. Nope, those are almost exepcted.
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Kurai said:
Deluge, lol, you kind of posted that twice. ^___^

#14728 and #14732. Just sayin'.

Yeah, I will admit they have done weird things with abilities (I was damn shocked at Poison Point, too), but I just don't see Munna being a Drowzee prevo. Normally prevos have relatively a copy/pasta'd color scheme (see: Cleffa, Pichu, etc.), but Munna is pink and Drowzee is brown or orange, iirc. And Munna looks like a puffed-up ball of... pinkness, while Drowzee and Hypno look like humanoid figures.

Eh, we can't really say anything for sure, though.
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That's not really true of tyrogue, or especially chingling. Smoochum too sorta.
 
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I finally remembered of what else I was reminded when looking at the middle one:

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Aside from the red and yellow things, that thing has the same upper head as Carvanha. Especially the triangular eyes.

Either they're reusing props, or…
 
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Did someone say water bear? I wouldn't be surprised if that is infact what ecto-verde
turned out to be.
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Of course a plant cell isn't too farfetch'd either.
 
I dunno.. for some reason, its face makes me think of Kodama, which are those japanese tree spirits that come up in a lot of miyazaki films. I think the Korok in LoZ: Wind Waker were based on kodama too.
 
Burning Sapphire said:
Spider: I'm saying Bug/Poison, and maybe even an evolution of ariodos. Though it's color scheme may suggest an elctric, color scheme does not determine type.
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While color scheme doesn't determine type, it can be related. As far as the spider goes, we know that its name comes from "electricity" and "tarantula". So I'd say its a pretty safe bet to go with electric/bug.

As far as what i think of the rest of them:
The Mole: is just awesome, i'm going to say ground/steel.
The Axhead: Taking a bit to get used to, but cool. I'm not too sure, but I'm guessing Dark/Dragon.
Sarcophagus: Its a bit odd, but i want to see the front. My guess is Ghost/Ground
Unamed Crystal Tank: I mentioned this earlier, but i think its Electric/Rock. those crystals could be silicon, which is a conductor. Leading to an electric type.
Green Blob: Not sure what is up with this one, very odd. Water bear idea is interesting. I'm going to say Water/Ghost or Grass/Ghost.
Gothic:Strangest of them all. Don't really care for it. Guessing Dark/Psychic.
 
blasphemy1 said:
Am I the only one that thinks the green thing looks like a Teddy Bear that has tears in its fabric?
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I originally thought it was a floating piece of ghost cotton. So I thought Ghost/Normal or Ghost/Grass (Grass because it's green and I like to color-code everything).

But tbqh, I don't know what that is, what it is supposed to be, and I think it looks really stupid. But yeah, when you look at it more, it does kind of look like a teddy bear. But not really a bear, just a teddy thing.

CasMat said:
That's not really true of tyrogue, or especially chingling. Smoochum too sorta.
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I'll give you Tyrouge, but Chingling/Chimecho have similar body structures, and I'm pretty sure Smoochum is just a smaller, less humanoid version of Jynx. I don't have all the prevo sprites in my head, but I'm pretty sure that, bar Tyrogue, you can find some sort of relationship between the prevo and the evo. But you don't see that with Munna/Drowzee, and the color scheme is just completely off. At least with something like Jynx/Smoochum you can see some yellow, and purple, and pink.

Zowayix said:
In 2v2, damage that hits both opponents is reduced to 2/3, right?

In 3v3, would it become 3/5 or something?
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In 2v2 multi-hit moves like EQ and Surf are taken down to 75%. My theory was that they'd be slashed further to 66%.
 
Chaoswalker said:
I wanted a Jynx evo/ smoochum alt but...
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Oh, halo thar. Same head shape. It's got the same arm pose... same placement of head protrusions... looks like a special attacker... yeah. Not a Mawile evo. Don't make fun of Mawile like that.
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And the lips arn't too random either. Nope, those are almost exepcted.
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This could easily be an alternate evo.
 
Kurai said:
Deluge, lol, you kind of posted that twice. ^___^

#14728 and #14732. Just sayin'.

Yeah, I will admit they have done weird things with abilities (I was damn shocked at Poison Point, too), but I just don't see Munna being a Drowzee prevo. Normally prevos have relatively a copy/pasta'd color scheme (see: Cleffa, Pichu, etc.), but Munna is pink and Drowzee is brown or orange, iirc. And Munna looks like a puffed-up ball of... pinkness, while Drowzee and Hypno look like humanoid figures.

Eh, we can't really say anything for sure, though.
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Drowzee and Hypno's shiny forms are pink, just like Muuna. Muuna also has a trunk-like nose similar to Drowzee, is based on the same creature (Baku), shares one the their abilities (forewarn), and has the same typing. it's silly to think Muuna is not a prevo to Drowzee, because the similarities are too great.
 
Kurai said:
I originally thought it was a floating piece of ghost cotton. So I thought Ghost/Normal or Ghost/Grass (Grass because it's green and I like to color-code everything).

But tbqh, I don't know what that is, what it is supposed to be, and I think it looks really stupid. But yeah, when you look at it more, it does kind of look like a teddy bear. But not really a bear, just a teddy thing.



I'll give you Tyrouge, but Chingling/Chimecho have similar body structures, and I'm pretty sure Smoochum is just a smaller, less humanoid version of Jynx. I don't have all the prevo sprites in my head, but I'm pretty sure that, bar Tyrogue, you can find some sort of relationship between the prevo and the evo. But you don't see that with Munna/Drowzee, and the color scheme is just completely off. At least with something like Jynx/Smoochum you can see some yellow, and purple, and pink.
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Well I mostly meant color scheme. Even still, Chingling's shape isn't THAT similar imo. Though it is obviously thematically consistent, being a bell that evolves into a wind chime.

I can see Munna being baby drowzee because of the tapir-like nose, which it sorta shares with Drowzee. I'm still 40/60 on the whole thing, but I think there's a chance.

P.S. Anyone one else think green thing is a Kodama? Has it already been said?
 
CasMat said:
Well I mostly meant color scheme. Even still, Chingling's shape isn't THAT similar imo. Though it is obviously thematically consistent, being a bell that evolves into a wind chime.

I can see Munna being baby drowzee because of the tapir-like nose, which it sorta shares with Drowzee. I'm still 40/60 on the whole thing, but I think there's a chance.

P.S. Anyone one else think green thing is a Kodama? Has it already been said?
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Thats an interesting idea for that green blob. Its possible. But did anybody else notice the crack going down the green blob?
 
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