the way that the move is described, it says that it grabs the opponent and lifts them into the air, then the next turn it drops them. if it works the way im assuming everyone wants it to, that means that the opponent cant do anything while it's being dragged up to the air, so you basically get a free turn of stall :P
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the way that the move is described, it says that it grabs the opponent and lifts them into the air, then the next turn it drops them. if it works the way im assuming everyone wants it to, that means that the opponent cant do anything while it's being dragged up to the air, so you basically get a free turn of stall :P
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is the only generation for which non of the pre-release Pokemon (so far at least) are related to old Pokemon in someway.
GSC: Pichu, and possibly Magby?
RSE: Pretty sure either Wynaut or Azzurill (or both of them) were released beforehand
DPP: Weavile, Roserade, Budew, Electivire, Bonsly, Mime Jr., Munchlax...
Just a random observation I felt like pointing out.
Also I don't think Encourage will negate recoil damage. I tend to think of secondary effects as effects that sometimes, but not always, take place. Recoil occurs every turn and is thus more of a primary effect IMO.
GSC: Pichu, and possibly Magby?
RSE: Pretty sure either Wynaut or Azzurill (or both of them) were released beforehand
DPP: Weavile, Roserade, Budew, Electivire, Bonsly, Mime Jr., Munchlax...
Just a random observation I felt like pointing out.
Also I don't think Encourage will negate recoil damage. I tend to think of secondary effects as effects that sometimes, but not always, take place. Recoil occurs every turn and is thus more of a primary effect IMO.
In Pokemon, moves have a Primary effects and Secondary effects.
A Primary effect is the effect that is guaranteed to happen if the move hits. Primary effects include; damage, status (Stun Spore, Sleep powder, Will-o-wisp, Outrage, Petal Dance. etc.), recoil damage (Double-edge, Submission), stat modifiers (Close Combat, Hammer Arm, Growl, Tail Whip. Etc.), trapping (Wrap, Fire Spin, Magma Storm), Hp restoration (Mega Drain, Leech Life, Softboiled, Recover. etc.), OHKO (Fissure, Guillotine, Sheer Cold) or other effects such as Rapid Spin/Defog's ability to remove entry hazards or Fake Out's flinching. Any effect that is guaranteed to happen if a move lands is a Primary effect.
A Secondary effect is any effect that has a chance of happening. Secondary effects include; Status (Ember, Psybeam, Tri-Attack, etc.), stat modifiers (Psychic, Shadow ball, Ancient Power. etc.), flinching (Bite, Dark Pulse, Air Slash. Etc.), increased critical hit rate (Slash, Night Slash, Psycho Cut. Etc.), or other effects (none come to mind particularly). A secondary effect is more like a side effect.
I'm wondering just what Encourage's boost will be. And whether or not it will be a one time boost, say, Thunder Fang getting a 20% power boost and losing both the flinch and paralysis chance, or a multiple boost, Thunder Fang getting 20% for losing the flinch rate and another 20% for losing the paralysis. The second thought would definitely increase the viability of the fang moves (93 base power before stab), as well as making Tri-Attack much stronger (base 138 move with 100% accuracy and no downsides).
A Primary effect is the effect that is guaranteed to happen if the move hits. Primary effects include; damage, status (Stun Spore, Sleep powder, Will-o-wisp, Outrage, Petal Dance. etc.), recoil damage (Double-edge, Submission), stat modifiers (Close Combat, Hammer Arm, Growl, Tail Whip. Etc.), trapping (Wrap, Fire Spin, Magma Storm), Hp restoration (Mega Drain, Leech Life, Softboiled, Recover. etc.), OHKO (Fissure, Guillotine, Sheer Cold) or other effects such as Rapid Spin/Defog's ability to remove entry hazards or Fake Out's flinching. Any effect that is guaranteed to happen if a move lands is a Primary effect.
A Secondary effect is any effect that has a chance of happening. Secondary effects include; Status (Ember, Psybeam, Tri-Attack, etc.), stat modifiers (Psychic, Shadow ball, Ancient Power. etc.), flinching (Bite, Dark Pulse, Air Slash. Etc.), increased critical hit rate (Slash, Night Slash, Psycho Cut. Etc.), or other effects (none come to mind particularly). A secondary effect is more like a side effect.
I'm wondering just what Encourage's boost will be. And whether or not it will be a one time boost, say, Thunder Fang getting a 20% power boost and losing both the flinch and paralysis chance, or a multiple boost, Thunder Fang getting 20% for losing the flinch rate and another 20% for losing the paralysis. The second thought would definitely increase the viability of the fang moves (93 base power before stab), as well as making Tri-Attack much stronger (base 138 move with 100% accuracy and no downsides).
Up to 200 in the Isshu Dex? That's quite a lot, I wonder how many will be brand new! Also WHAT @ EVEN MORE PREEVOS AND EVOS THAN SINNOH IN THE NATIONAL DEX. Dayuuummmm... We haven't even gotten ANY preevos or evos of existing Pokemon (Whereas for Gen4, a lot of the pre-release Pokemon were) yet just a lot of new ones. I'm thinking we're gonna get a huuge amount of Pokemon lol.
If it works like Hustle, it will boost all moves (Hustle still boosts the attack of Aerial Ace IIRC even though AA has -- accuracy).
Wooguru looks epic as I thought it'd be. It looks like we have another Encourage user...Brave Bird anyone? Close Combat? Okay, it's Normal/Flying, but Staraptor has it :P
It made sense for all the evolutions in Sinnoh as that was what the professor was primarily researching, and Sinnoh had areas of significantly different climates than we had seen before.
Since Isshu is in America, and not just any part of America, but Noo Yawk, there should plenty of new, tough, patriotic, badass as all hell evolutions.
It's going to be tight, y'all
Since Isshu is in America, and not just any part of America, but Noo Yawk, there should plenty of new, tough, patriotic, badass as all hell evolutions.
It's going to be tight, y'all
Fake Out's Flinching is a secondary effect because it's negated by Shield dust. Same thing with Icy Wind and Mud Shot. I still agree with you that Encourage will most likely not negate effects like Brave Bird recoil, 2 turn moves charge up turns (why would they give a signature 2 turn move to a Pokemon with this ability), or Giga Impact's recharge.
I was thinking Encourage would give a 20% boost to all moves, regardless of whether they have secondary effects (like an Iron Fist that works on all moves), and negates any secondary effects they may have. Someone mentioned that it should give a boost equal to the chance the effect has of occuring (so Discharge would get a 30% boost while Ice Beam would only get a 10% boost) but I think a set boost would be better and actually give the boost to things like Brave Bird and Return.
Or do you only get the boost at the same rate as the secondary effect?
So whenever the secondary effect would randomly happen (eg. 30% flinch with Iron Head) you get an x% boost in base power instead.
When a secondary effect is not due, according to the RNG, the move hits for its normal power.
It would be a lot less useful this way unless the boost were double the base power or something extreme like that.
(Unless, of course the move has a guaranteed effect in which case it would be brutal in the hands of Encourage users.)
Yeah, I have a feeling this region could be based on the Americas. Most of the animals that the revealed monsters are based on have wide distributions and can be found outside of the Americas but I still get a strong feeling that this gen will be based on the Americas.
Jump Kick and Hi Jump Kick's recoil are Primary effects. Although, they're Special case Primary effects. Their recoil always happens whenever either move misses. It's akin to Twister and Gust's double damage to Pokemon that have used Fly. They always happen when certain requirements are met.
@DDRMaster, Fake Out's flinching is still a Primary effect despite Shield Dust (or Inner Focus for that matter) negating the flinch. Clear Body/White Smoke/Hyper Cutter block negative stat modifiers, that doesn't mean Growl's attack drop is a secondary effect.
Edit: Forgot what Shield dust did, nevermind about that
If it turns out to be like Iron Fist, then I would be satisfied with the ability. As long as the boost doesn't turn into something negligible (1.05x boost would make me groan).
My sarcastic comment about Panama and the Philippines aside... What makes you think that Isshu is based off of New York? The regions so far have all been based off of areas in Japan, and have all been basically accurate geographically. Meanwhile, Isshu is on the SOUTHERN coast, not the Eastern one. It would be more likely to be in Florida, and I'm still very skeptical that the eagle is supposed to be american at all.
Someone said in this thread that the region is based on a part of China geographically.
I think his point was the Shield Dust's text says it blocks "added effects" not that it blocks flinch.
So the apparent conclusion would be that Fake Out's flinch is an "added effect" if Shield Dust blocks it.
Whether "added effect" is ingame speak for "secondary effect" is up for debate :P
Yeah, maybe Isshu is faaar from all past regions (Which, I assume at least, are all on the same land mass considering the amount of crossovers and Johto/Kanto ARE next to each other). Judging by the fact there is an airfield, could imply that Isshu is off mainland and apart of another mainland. It would have exotic evolutions because of the environment etc etc. (Just like how the strange gravity or w/e on Stark Mountain influences the evolutions of Magneton and Nosepass).
If there's 200 pokemon in the national dex and there haven't been any prevos/evos from past pokemon games, this is going to be awesome. There's about 35 pokemon released already and no trace of them being related to past generations :D Good, good...
It's a handful of islands connected by bridged highways. It just screams New York. Or ... Liberty City.
e: The average human body temperature is 98.6 ... WHICH IS CLOSE TO ONE HUNDRED!
I absol-utely love the fact that this gen might,for the most part,be completely original,its totaly awesome.
Seriously, Diamond and Pearl were by far the worst games in the series because since about 40 % of the pokedex was babies and evolutions of older pokemon that you couldn't get until the post-game, the selection before-hand was absolutely fucking barren.
Platinum helped out a lot by making the logical conclusion that "hey, if it can evolve this generation, you can catch it pre-post-game."
I just think that's not logical that Gamefreak would have this tradition of basing their regions off of actual Japanese provinces...and then model one after New York. It would be kind of cool but it doesn't really fit with the flavour of the game :/
They had to run out of Japanese locales eventually, and they obviously want to make this new land very distinct. I don't know, I think it's actually quite logical.
And thats why I hate Gen 4 so much. I mean to me,Gallade,Porygon-z,Dusknoir,and some of the other finals were kick ass,the rest were terrible. Thats why gen 3 was my life,because it was totaly original.
I sure hope Isshu isn't based off the United States of America because it is pretty boring. There aren't even many indigenous populations anymore, the majority of the "animals" are imported, domestic livestock species like horse, cow, chicken, and pig. Of course, we already have a deer Pokemon (Stantler) and now this eagle, but really the only other interesting possibilities are moose and black bear. The landscape itself is pretty dreadful; big cities in the epi-centers with suburbs surrounding them and then farm land. Not much land to explore.
Thing is though, the regions tend to resemble the part of the Earth they're based on, in at least their shape/outline, and Isshu doesn't really look like any part of Japan. It also was said to be far away from the currently existing regions. Combine that with how it really does look like New York, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what it's based on. There are other viable possibilities apparently as well, like Shanghai, but it just doesn't seem that it's based on a part of Japan this time.
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