It's probably more along the lines of Fire Charge Beam, because Pokabu doesn't OHKO Tsutaja with it (who is OHKOed by Hihidaruma's Fire Punch). I'm not sure it'll be competitively useful, but it is a cool side effect nonetheless.
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It's probably more along the lines of Fire Charge Beam, because Pokabu doesn't OHKO Tsutaja with it (who is OHKOed by Hihidaruma's Fire Punch). I'm not sure it'll be competitively useful, but it is a cool side effect nonetheless.
IT would be awesome if it was physical and Flareon could learn it, it could give it sweeping abilities. And you guys are getting this from pokebeach, right?
In all fairness, Hihidharma boosts its Fire Punch with Stoke with what's probably a x1.5 boost. But regardless, Fire Punch is still quite a bit stronger than Charge Beam without it, so...
Also, I'm really betting these are just their signature moves, but that doesn't necessarily mean they can't be spread around like Gen III's I suppose.
Well, Hihidaruma is a mokey after all, and if it evolves into a gorilla, huge attack power (think a bit of Slaking). And maybe it's special and Tsutaja might have good Sp. Def :naughty:
Assuming Nitro Charge will boost Speed similarly to how Charge Beam works (50BP, 90 ACC, 70% boost chance) I'd say it could be rather useful - especially considering Pokabu will likely have no other means to boost it's speed. Flareon would love something like this too...
I was just about to ask what Nitro Charge boosts.
I can't read Japanese but I saw the stat boost effect.
That's a pretty cool move for Fire Types esp. if the effect rate is close to Charge Beam's.
It will almost always connect barring Flash Fire so there's a good chance to get the jump on the switch-in.
Hard hitting Fire types that are only very fast with a Scarf (Heatran, Magmortar) will want this one.
EDIT: BTW, the battle music gives off a very RSE vibe for me.
Basically, it's the "smoothness" rather than the more jumpy Kanto inspired ones.
Has anyone else been waiting for a dragon/fighting (NOT CAP) poke? Luvdisk evolutions sound great, but I dunno. I think Kibago (right?) is probly gonna be uber. And the luvdisk evo will be...NU/UU. Unless it gets something like tidal wave where it's like hyper beam except cooler. Another thing....does anyone think the green blob guy or the goth with evolve? I really hope not.
I hope the goth thing doesn't evolve, but Rankurusu, YES, I would love an evo for it :D
Whoa, I just went back a few pages, and they were talking about the third legendary. What could it be?
Zapdos/Articuno/Moltres=Birds
Entei/Raikou/Suicune=Dogs
Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza=Weather
Registeel/Regice/Regirock=???
Dialga/Palkia/Giratina=Dimentions
Azelf/Uxie/Mespirit=I dont know really
Reshiram/Zekrom/?=Yin and Yang and something else...
Zapdos/Articuno/Moltres=Birds
Entei/Raikou/Suicune=Dogs
Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza=Weather
Registeel/Regice/Regirock=???
Dialga/Palkia/Giratina=Dimentions
Azelf/Uxie/Mespirit=I dont know really
Reshiram/Zekrom/?=Yin and Yang and something else...
A bit late but HELL YEAH LUVDISC EVO.
is it just me or is giving a fire type that likely has flare blitz and a flying type that likely has brave bird an ability like encourage broken? Removing the other effects of the move and boosting power, yeah, that seems reasonable. Watch, they'll give it to something with hyperbeam-like moves.
I believe a better comparison would be with only the trios that were introduced after Gen III, as those follow a theme that's not "hey they're animals of the same species".
So,
Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza - Earth/Sea/Sky
Dialga/Palkia/Giratina - Time/Space/Antimatter
And not in trio form, Ho-Oh/Lugia - Sky/Sea, too.
Reshiram and Zekrom seem like natural energy source (fire) and artificial energy source (electricity, even though that is also natural - but I'm basing this off its tail, I guess), so... maybe other kind of energy source? Nuclear, maybe?
While we don't know for sure yet since the only other thing that's negated "secondary effects" besides Stoke is Shield Dust, which only negates secondary effects to you caused by the opponent, it's safe to assume "secondary effects" is more like chances for burns, freezes, paralyzes, flinches, sleeps, poisons, and maybe even stat debuffs from your attacks on the opponent like, say Mud Slap's accuracy drop or more likely, say, something like Psychic's chance for a Special Defense drop. I don't think it'll work on self-inflicted stat debuffs like Close Combat's attack and defense drops or recoil, which I honestly don't think is technically a "secondary effect" at all, contrary to what something like Serebii's attackdex might call it.
Assuming Hihidharma gets Flare Blitz, though, it'll still get a boost since Flare Blitz has a chance for Burn. Can't think of anything particularly useful Stoke can boost for Wargle. I guess maybe Air Slash if it turns out to be mixed or Special oriented.
There is a lot of disagreement over what constitutes a Secondary Effect (like, several pages on the earlier forum). There is significant reason to believe that recoil and recharge are not secondary effects, but we won't know for sure until the games are out. Needless to say, though, GameFreak will not make it completely broken. They've learned their lessons.
EDIT: Ninja'd
About the Serebii Attackdex - People keep referencing online terminology in these debates, but like I've said before, any terms not explicitly defined in-game are completely useless, especially after we've gone through multiple translations. For instance, Base Stats refer to Actual Stats, and not to the numbers listed in the Pokedex.
To be fair, Rayquaza is a step above Groudon and Kyogre, they are not equal. Ho-oh and Lugia aren't really a trio/duo, or even counterparts. They are just cover legends.
That said, I'm not aware of a 3rd aspect to the Yin/Yang theme. The third legendary may be completely unrelated to them.
Dragon/Poison -- Radioactivity.
BTW, I don't think we know for sure what effects Encourage negates.
The general viewpoint is that it won't apply to recoil and stat reductions that affect the user of the move only effects that have a chance to occur on the target.
Rayquaza is a bit unique in being a member of the trio AND the trio master.
That's why it has the Attack of Groudon, SpA of Kyogre and the ability to negate both their abilities.
Maybe that's where the Dragon/Poison comes in, nuclear energy. Although tbh, I think it's just Gamefreak giving unique typings to the Pokemon. I'm not sure it has any meaning at all other than design.
That's what I'm saying, though. His other suggestion was a Fire-type Meteor Mash with better accuracy, I said it didn't OHKO Tsutaja so it wouldn't have the power of that, and instead a low base power move like Charge Beam... Even if Pokabu's attacking stats aren't that high, the sheer base power alone would make up for the difference between him and the fire gorilla. I don't know why there was any confusion there.
Looking back at your post, I think I totally misinterpreted what you were saying. That's my bad...!!
@deluge: Ugh, I really hate that whole concept of a "trio master", which isn't acknowledged anywhere in the games OR in the anime. There ARE some Pokemon who can be considered the "master" of a "trio" but I wouldn't consider it an archetype like, say, "early rodent" or "early bird" or something.
I don't follow the anime so wouldn't know or care.
Rayquaza is the head of Kyogre and Groudon, Arceus is for the Dragon Trio and Regigigas for the Regis.
There are many terms for concepts that the fandom uses that aren't mentioned in the games so I don't see the big deal.
"Uber", "Sunnybeamer", "Endreaver", "Phazer"
*Shrug*
does he get a axe and save little kids from buldings on fire? if not then i dont care about hididaruma evolving.
also on the trio master thing: if is not oficial then it it dosent matter if the fandom use or not. gamefreak never said rayquaza was the trio master from his trio. thus i dont give a damn if the fandom use the term or not.
also on the trio master thing: if is not oficial then it it dosent matter if the fandom use or not. gamefreak never said rayquaza was the trio master from his trio. thus i dont give a damn if the fandom use the term or not.
Encourage probably only works for "positive" effects, like causing a burn ON THE OPPONENT, flinching THE OPPONENT, and so on. It, just like White Smoke+Overheat, most likely won't work on things that hinder you (like Overheating halving your SAtk or Flare Blitz chomping your HP away).
By the way, I just noticed that a Dragon/Poison to compliment Reshiram and Zekrom would keep the "we're all weak to Ground" theme, hahaha.
Hopefully they won't get it. They aren't the ones that need it, however much they might want it. Rapidash and Flareon actually need the boost, and make a lot more sense flavor-wise than Magmortar and Heatran.
As far as comparisons between Hihidharma's Fire Punch and Pokabu's Nitro Charge go, keep in mind that Hihidharma probably has a much higher base Attack stat.
Ononokusu already has an axe on his head, I don't think we'll be seeing ANOTHER axe-brandishing Pokemon! On a serious note, I don't care to see an evo either, I think that lolligoth, greenblob, and abomafire will be single-forms.
And I sincerely disagree that Rayquaza is a "step above" either Groudon or Kyogre, it was designed to keep them in check, but not dominate them.
I can't decide who I'd rather see evolve into a Poison/Dragon... Seviper or Arbok? Hmm...
Rayquaza does not bring on weather of its own; it has the power to stop the weather of the other two, which shows superiority. And unlike Dialga/Palkia/Giratina, it has a higher BST than Groudon and Kyogre, so it only loosely fits as part of the trio, IMO. More like a duo + Rayquaza, but I can see why most people think otherwise; its a matter of opinion.
The entire storyline of Emerald was built around the fact that Rayquaza has the power to stop Groudon and Kyogre from fighting. You even get to see it happen with a neat little cutscene sequence. The concept has been mentioned before as well - Movie 2 established that Lugia > Kanto legendary birds, and the storylines of GSC indicate that Ho-oh has a relationship superior to the beasts, seeing as it did, you know, revive them. Then there is Regigigas and the Regis, and of course Arceus which trumps both the Dialga/Palkia/Giratina triangle and the Azelf/Uxie/Mesprit triangle. The concept is all over the games.
Staying on topic, if the Ice/Dragon rumored about earlier turns out does actually form a trio with the other two, then I'm not really sure on what grounds that would be. Ice doesn't match the whole energy theme, and there is no third element to the Yin/Yang concept.
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