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Base Stats, Move Data, Egg Moves, and Dream World Abilities
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Gengar is still faster
There is a Phyisical Steel Move with 50 Base Power and it attacks twice. No priority though. Scizor[If he gets it] could still use it to dent bulky pokemon on his SD set.
Does anybody know how to get Hihidaruma into daruma mode?
If every Pokemon is going to be broken, then none of them are broken.
Please, let's not assume any Pokemon will be broken, because as it is, all assumptions based on Gen 4 have to be thrown out the window.
And don't assume we'll have early access to all the Dream World Pokemon. Since a few of them are being released with passwords early (Kanto Starters, Eeveeloutions) its safe to assume that most, if not all, will only get their special abilities this way.
Please, let's not assume any Pokemon will be broken, because as it is, all assumptions based on Gen 4 have to be thrown out the window.
And don't assume we'll have early access to all the Dream World Pokemon. Since a few of them are being released with passwords early (Kanto Starters, Eeveeloutions) its safe to assume that most, if not all, will only get their special abilities this way.
I lol'd when I saw Breloom with technician.
The power of Mach Punch is exactly the same as BP on Scizor as they both have 130 base Atk.
Ninetails and Politoed are going to be moved from NU to Uber (probably) but they are not the only ones with new cool abilities:
Electabuzz with Insomnia?
Scyther with Filter?
Suicune with Water Absorb?
Garchomp with Rough Skin?
Gliscor with Poison Heal?
Blaziken with Speed Boost?
F**k yeah Seaking!
EDIT: @Giggity69 & Desolation101: I completely agree with Squid Ninja and Acosta. In the 4th Gen metagame every pokémon with Drought/Drizzle would be Uber, despite their BST.
The power of Mach Punch is exactly the same as BP on Scizor as they both have 130 base Atk.
Ninetails and Politoed are going to be moved from NU to Uber (probably) but they are not the only ones with new cool abilities:
Electabuzz with Insomnia?
Scyther with Filter?
Suicune with Water Absorb?
Garchomp with Rough Skin?
Gliscor with Poison Heal?
Blaziken with Speed Boost?
F**k yeah Seaking!
EDIT: @Giggity69 & Desolation101: I completely agree with Squid Ninja and Acosta. In the 4th Gen metagame every pokémon with Drought/Drizzle would be Uber, despite their BST.
The uber candle and gyarados say hello
Neither of the new weather inducers have good enough stats to become uber, and that is exactly why GF chose those two to get the abilities. This way we will have all the perma weather inducers available in OU (And hopefully UU if the under evolved forms get the same ability but I don't know about that).
That better secondary STAB comes with a quadruple Stealth Rock weakness. The advantage of a stronger secondary STAB is lessened by using Tinted Lens anyway.
Venomoth is faster, bulkier, and has access to Sleep Powder. Sleep Powder is great for free turns to use the new moth/butterfly "Dragon Dance" (+SpA, SpD, +Spe).
Funny that Doreida gets that move, too. Seems pretty random.
LOL Dude just cause the have auto weather does not make them Groudon and Kyogre! They will not be Uber they would be demolished. They would be UU or OU at best
How they would preform in Ubers has no effect on the choice to send them there.
As far as I know, even low leveled Kyogre and Groudon were deemed overpowered for OU pretty much just because of their abilities. If Drought and Drizzle are still that powerful in Gen V, Politoed and Ninetales will meet the same fate. (Or the abilities could be banned.)
Do I have to mention the lv. 1 Groudon/Kyogre test again? Caterpie with Drizzle would Uber, because Auto-Infinite Rain/Sun is broken by nature.
EDIT: This is based on the 4th gen. metagame, but I doubt it would vastly change.
I really hope that suicune gets some other recovery move than the now extra nerfed (3 turns of sleep?!?! Come on!!) rest, because then it would be an AMAZING replacement to vappy.
With all of the weather inducers (Politoad, ninetails, abomasnow, and tyranitar/hippo) the competition just to keep your choice of weather on the field will be enough to keep them in lower tiers. Some of the sun/ rain abusers may end up getting banned (Hydration phionie, vappy, etc) but I think the weather pokes will be ok.
With all of the weather inducers (Politoad, ninetails, abomasnow, and tyranitar/hippo) the competition just to keep your choice of weather on the field will be enough to keep them in lower tiers. Some of the sun/ rain abusers may end up getting banned (Hydration phionie, vappy, etc) but I think the weather pokes will be ok.
Problem is, if Drizzle and Drought go to OU, then rain and sun teams will be all over the place.
I honestly don't think that'd be a problem if they had made a Grass-type with a weather-stopping ability (it ENDS all weather rather than just negating it) with good special attack and Grass Knot; would counter both Groudon and Kyogre quite nicely. But no...
I don't know if people got this (probably did), but finally we have our pure Flying poke!
Now back to the discussion.
Seaking now has only one weakness! WOOT.
If it gets Swords Dance it could find a use on Rain teams (Megahorn = dead grass poke coupled with electric immunity is good) despite it's lousy stats.
Now back to the discussion.
Seaking now has only one weakness! WOOT.
If it gets Swords Dance it could find a use on Rain teams (Megahorn = dead grass poke coupled with electric immunity is good) despite it's lousy stats.
With the new sand storm bonus moves what makes sun and raiun any different than other weather?
This is not about groudon and ogre, this is about toad and ninetails, now. I don't think that weather teams will be any more numerous after the initial excitement wears off anyway because they will still have the same faults as before, just without having to set up rain every few turns. They will be better, but an opposing ttar will still stop the strategy cold.
I understand that 4th generation mechanics don't mean much, but that doesn't mean it's completely irrelevant. Especially since this gen. doesn't have a huge mechanics change like the previous ones.
This gives players more options. Sun Teams, Rain Teams, Sand Teams. It shouldn't be too bad.
Sorry if I came off in a bad way, I was assumed that you were adamantly referring to those tests to predict this gen's meta.
And while it isn't completely irrelevant, remember that neither Ninetales nor Politoed is particularly stellar stat-wise, and their typings add additional weaknesses to teams that already struggle to switch up their typings. Sand is as prominent as ever with new sweepers like Doryuuzu and Warubairu, and Tyranitar/Hippowdon don't seem to be going anywhere.
And while it isn't completely irrelevant, remember that neither Ninetales nor Politoed is particularly stellar stat-wise, and their typings add additional weaknesses to teams that already struggle to switch up their typings. Sand is as prominent as ever with new sweepers like Doryuuzu and Warubairu, and Tyranitar/Hippowdon don't seem to be going anywhere.
Um... Lightningrod does not grant Electric immunity... it just ensures that all electric attacks hit Seaking... It is actually a giant slap in the face to Seaking.
Seaking FUCK YEAH Forme @ Swimming goggles (Increases speed & accuracy)
Ability: Lightning rod
252 ATTACK/252 Sp. ATTACK Evs
Moves:
- Hydro pump
- Thunder
- Mega horn
- Aqua tail
Seaking makes a debut to OU. :D
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