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[Pokémon Trainer R]

Ononokusu's base Speed is 97, not 98.

Anyway, if Ononokusu is a pseudo-legendary Pokémon, then Blissey, Electivire, Gyarados, Hihidaruma, Kingdra, Magmortar, Milotic and Snorlax would be classified as such too.

I doubt Ononokusu would be BL despite its inability to get past Skarmory though (although this is indeed a massive disadvantage compared to other dragons), as its incredibly high Attack is still extremely valuable in my opinion, and 97 Speed is actually quite fast. I really don't understand why people consider Ononokusu to be slow, when it outpaces many other Pokémon, such as Gliscor, Arcanine and Electivire, yet these Pokémon are almost never deemed to be slow. If any OU Pokémon with a base stat total of 540 would go to BL, then I believe Electivire and Snorlax (due to Selfdestruct now being only half as strong as in previous generations) are far more likely candidates. In fact, I believe that even Metagross, a pseudo-legendary Pokémon would be far more likely to be BL than Ononokusu in this generation.

 

[Disposable Puppets]

No Dragon with 147 base attack will ever not be used enough to not be OU

 

[blasphemy1]

I doubt Ononokusu would be BL despite its inability to get past Skarmory though (although this is indeed a massive disadvantage compared to other dragons), as its incredibly high Attack is still extremely valuable in my opinion, and 97 Speed is actually quite fast. I really don't understand why people consider Ononokusu to be slow, when it outpaces many other Pokémon, such as Gliscor, Arcanine and Electivire, yet these Pokémon are almost never deemed to be slow. If any OU Pokémon with a base stat total of 540 would go to BL, then I believe Electivire and Snorlax (due to Selfdestruct now being only half as strong as in previous generations) are far more likely candidates. In fact, I believe that even Metagross, a pseudo-legendary Pokémon would be far more likely to be BL than Ononokusu in this generation.

Possible my biggest annoyance of this topic: somehow Taunt is being considered a superior option to Fire Blast, Fire Fang, or Fire Punch.

Assuming 252/240 Impish Skarmory for all calculations, Life Orb for all attackers:

+1 252+ Dragonite's Fire Punch: 61.7% - 73.1%
4 Salamence's Fire Blast: 98.2% - 115.6%
+2 252 Garchomp's Fire Fang: 62.9% - 74.3%
24 Kingdra's Hydro Pump: 65.9% - 78.1%
204 Latias' Thunderbolt: 92.8% - 109.6%
0- Flygon's Fire Blast: 67.1% - 79%

Skarmory can't do shit, except Whirlwind away, and it will be so crippled just about anything can finish it off (minimum investment Hidden Power Fire from Celebi does 40.7% - 47.9%). I keep repeating my self, oh well.

 

[Mufasa]

I don't think people get how strong it is...
CB outrage 2HKO's pretty much everything, and OHKO's things that are moderately bulky. It does around 35~ to skarmory/nattorei , so unless they're at about full health, nothing can switch into outrage. Not to mention base 97 speed isn't even slow.

 

[lordkira]

I don't think people get how strong it is...
CB outrage 2HKO's pretty much everything, and OHKO's things that are moderately bulky. It does around 35~ to skarmory/nattorei , so unless they're at about full health, nothing can switch into outrage. Not to mention base 97 speed isn't even slow.

the thing is.
it is powerful yes but it doesn't need that much power compared to just how much it really was its speed to be higher. other sweepers, such as garchomp, salamence (for sd and dd), have enough power to sweep with far better speed.
97 is low actually when there are shit ton of things that are by far mcuh faster than it. gen 5 is a speedfest and to be outsped by base 100s and heck even sazandora (98), onono can be quite easily revenge killed. It's not a bad pokemon oh hell no. but sadly it is most definitely not living up to many people's predictions a few months ago ("ONONO IS GOING TO FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF THE META ONO!")

btw see what i did there in the last sentence with the joke (nvm but yeah)

 

[Mufasa]

Hahaha I see what you did there.

I was thinking of onono as more of a wallbreaker. I agree, it definetly doesn't have enough speed to sweep with DD. But CB onono is a pretty damn good wallbreaker.

 

[d2m]

Anyone think this guy was MADE to be a BP recipient? Ninjask SD and +1-2 speed -> Vappy for an acid armor -> Ononokusu who can't be revenged by most any priority and outspeeds pretty much everything.

 

[PK Gaming]

I don't think I've posted here yet so I'll post here now.

I think this may be the only pseudo-legend (yes it is a pseudo legend in my eyes; 540 base is close enough) to be BL in this gen. While its main disability may seem to be (at first) its 98 base speed, looking further shows that its true flaw is in its positively godawful movepool.

To put it simply, its whole good movepool consists of Outrage, EQ, SD/DD, and worthless filler. There is nothing to put in that last slot, really, and that's what sets it apart. Unlike mence and all of the other dragons, it has absolutely nothing to get past Skarmory or - even worse - Scizor. Sure Outrage from Rayquaza essentially hurts like hell, but it really doesn't to most steel types.

I mean for god's sake even Altaria has fire blast :\

Considering gen 5's UU has formed yet, you can't be sure. For all we know, gen 5's UU might be filled with incredibly powerful pokemon... Onono might fit right in. Of course, this is assuming he isn't spammed on the OU like Electivire was in gen 4.

 

[Banryu]

Hahaha I see what you did there.

I was thinking of onono as more of a wallbreaker. I agree, it definetly doesn't have enough speed to sweep with DD. But CB onono is a pretty damn good wallbreaker.

Careful with your terminology here... wallbreaker isn't really the right term to describe what Ononokusu does. :0 Remember, a wallbreaker is something that can hit on both sides of the attacking spectrum and-- thus the name-- beat up common walls like Skarmory and Blissey, like things like MixApe and MixMence were designed to do last gen. Onono can't really be described as a wallbreaker, since he can't do shit to Skarmory-- a wall.

The term that I use for what Ononokusu is like a 'hole-puncher': comes in and punches some gaping holes in the opponent's team before being forced to retreat or taken out. Applies to most of Ononokusu's sets, for the most part. I'm sure there's another, more-recognized term for this, but that's the one that I personally use. :0

Anyone think this guy was MADE to be a BP recipient? Ninjask SD and +1-2 speed -> Vappy for an acid armor -> Ononokusu who can't be revenged by most any priority and outspeeds pretty much everything.

Hail yeah. If you could pull it off without getting Taunted or Encored or whatever somewhere along the way.

 

[lordkira]

Hahaha I see what you did there.

I was thinking of onono as more of a wallbreaker. I agree, it definetly doesn't have enough speed to sweep with DD. But CB onono is a pretty damn good wallbreaker.

agreed.
i hate how dd and sd variants are almost always outsped by something
but man cb is a terrific switchin-out pokemon that would seirously tear whatever switches into it.

 

[blasphemy1]

Careful with your terminology here... wallbreaker isn't really the right term to describe what Ononokusu does. :0 Remember, a wallbreaker is something that can hit on both sides of the attacking spectrum and-- thus the name-- beat up common walls like Skarmory and Blissey, like things like MixApe and MixMence were designed to do last gen. Onono can't really be described as a wallbreaker, since he can't do shit to Skarmory-- a wall.

The term that I use for what Ononokusu is like a 'hole-puncher': comes in and punches some gaping holes in the opponent's team before being forced to retreat or taken out. Applies to most of Ononokusu's sets, for the most part. I'm sure there's another, more-recognized term for this, but that's the one that I personally use. :0

Hail yeah. If you could pull it off without getting Taunted or Encored or whatever somewhere along the way.

I disagree. A wall breaker doesn't have to be a mixed attacker. Choice Band Tyranitar is most certainly a wall breaker, but it's not mixed. Same with physical Infernape (SD). A wall breaker, at its core, is a Pokemon that can sufficiently weaken walls to the point where the must: switch out, die, or are weak enough they will fall to your other Pokemon. MixMence isn't really a wall breaker, and yet it's a mixed attacker. Draco Meteor is unreliable, but it's so very powerful on the first use. That's why Salamence is good at beating offensive teams, but against a well put together stall team he'll fail (a good wall breaker shouldn't have to mitigate its abilities with prediction, ie when to use Outrage or Draco Meteor). That's why stuff like Tyranitar is so good: the majority of walls are destroyed in basically 2 moves (Aqua Tail, Stone Edge). Ononokusu may not be a wall breaker by either definition, but I still feel like you have misrepresented what a wall breaker means.

 

[MofoPopo]

Skarmory and Nattorei seem to be pretty good checks to it once boosted. Scizor won't be fearing special attacks, so it will probably be quick to switch-in and attack it.

With DD, ScarfGon/Chomp and ScarfJirachi are threatening it, along with any new threats.
With SD, Sazando and faster can carry on with their business.

I think a CB set would be best for it.

Ononokusu@Choice Band
Jolly; 20 HP / 252 Atk / 236 Spe

Filler
Outrage
Earthquake
Dragon Claw

The speed is enough to outrun max speed+ base 95s such as Gliscor. Scout with Dragon Claw/Earthquake early on, pair it with a Magnezone/Shadaraa to kill steels, then come back later to rip everything a new one.

Disagreeing with you here. It has access to Taunt, which means it can take out out skarmory by taunt + DD boosts. The CB set looks meh, as with SD/DD it can get boosts to speed also. And I will run some damage calcs, Without the extra flying weakness it may be able to to live through a scarfed Ice Punch. if it can set up a DD and then it gets screws over other dragons with Dclaw (prefered) The only weakness I see it weavile/scizor, and with some defense EV's, it may be able to live through them, (again damage calcs). So yeah. I think thIs will definatly define the metagame as a huge offensive threat. Have any other threats been established? Because it can get through most stall nicely and after a boost, it is outspeed in a lot.

EDIT: Did not see the scarf in icymans scarfgon/scarfchomp. These are very viable threats to ononos game and should have counters on hand. I still think that onono is viable because of access to taunt. People say useless filler and I disagree. With taunt it finds a way to easily set up on skarmory and eventually kill it with dragon claw. PS- those sentences were very bland

 

[Green Mage]

Anyone think this guy was MADE to be a BP recipient? Ninjask SD and +1-2 speed -> Vappy for an acid armor -> Ononokusu who can't be revenged by most any priority and outspeeds pretty much everything.

Every. Sweeper. Ever.

Honestly though...this guy ain't all that great. My vappy ohkos with ice beam after SR damage, and priority status exists this gen. Not to mention it doesn't learn a fire attack.

I'm on PO constantly, and there are a couple big threats this gen. This ain't one of them.

That being said, its best set is the dd/taunt set. You just need to build a team around it. You need a way to kill erufuun, or it will just be paralyzed instantly, or encored if you try to DD and subsequently revenged. Magnezone helps too, but it has trouble with natty.

I think it's going to take shadow tag shanderaa to make ono a threat, because it traps and ohkos everything that stops ono cold with the exception of vaporeon.

 

[cosmicexplorer]

IMO, SD Ono is the best set, simply because it can OHKO literally everything but Steel-types, which it OHKOs with SE EQ. Skarm, Nattorei, and Forry are literally the only things it doesn't OHKO, and those are 2HKOed. Scarf Shanderaa can shut them down easily, meaning Ono is free to terrorize stall teams. However, for sweeping, as opposed to wallbreaking, the DD set is certainly its best bet. CB sets are good too, but for wallbreaking, SD Ono is absolutely #1.

 

[Granstafer]

IMO, SD Ono is the best set, simply because it can OHKO literally everything but Steel-types, which it OHKOs with SE EQ. Skarm, Nattorei, and Forry are literally the only things it doesn't OHKO, and those are 2HKOed. Scarf Shanderaa can shut them down easily, meaning Ono is free to terrorize stall teams. However, for sweeping, as opposed to wallbreaking, the DD set is certainly its best bet. CB sets are good too, but for wallbreaking, SD Ono is absolutely #1.

the sad thing is that it is revenge killed by scarfgon...

 

[Pokémon Trainer R]

Assuming that one is not participating in a tournament (in which one-hit knock out techniques are usually not allowed), I can see Guillotine easily being a viable option on a Mold Breaker Ononokusu, as especially on a Choice Scarf moveset, this Pokémon has no real useful options other than Dragon Claw, Earthquake and Outrage anyway, so since it lacks a Fire-type move and thus the ability to deal any significant damage to Skarmory, Guillotine at least gives it the chance to destroy Skarmory in a single hit with some luck and prediction.

 

[krko]

Assuming that one is not participating in a tournament (in which one-hit knock out techniques are usually not allowed), I can see Guillotine easily being a viable option on a Mold Breaker Ononokusu, as especially on a Choice Scarf moveset, this Pokémon has no real useful options other than Dragon Claw, Earthquake and Outrage anyway, so since it lacks a Fire-type move and thus the ability to deal any significant damage to Skarmory, Guillotine at least gives it the chance to destroy Skarmory in a single hit with some luck and prediction.

Sturdy says no

 

[Bynine]

Krko.

He said "Mold Breaker".

 

[PlatinumDude]

I don't think Guillotine is useful on Ononokusu (apart from bypassing Sturdy via Mold Breaker) because of its terrible accuracy and PP. I'd rather stick with whatever it has now. Dragon + Ground provide good coverage anyways.

 

[Granstafer]

Assuming that one is not participating in a tournament (in which one-hit knock out techniques are usually not allowed), I can see Guillotine easily being a viable option on a Mold Breaker Ononokusu, as especially on a Choice Scarf moveset, this Pokémon has no real useful options other than Dragon Claw, Earthquake and Outrage anyway, so since it lacks a Fire-type move and thus the ability to deal any significant damage to Skarmory, Guillotine at least gives it the chance to destroy Skarmory in a single hit with some luck and prediction.

you would rely on 30% accuracy, which spells t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e

 

[Pokémon Trainer R]

Sturdy is meaningless before the power of Mold Breaker.

Also, I'd think that a 30% chance of defeating Skarmory is definitely better than a 0% chance of doing that (and Guillotine is certainly worthy of a moveslot on Ononokusu, considering all of its moves other than Outrage and Earthquake are trivial anyway).

 

[BurningMan]

Sturdy is meaningless before the power of Mold Breaker.

Also, I'd think that a 30% chance of defeating Skarmory is definitely better than a 0% chance of doing that (and Guillotine is certainly worthy of a moveslot on Ononokusu, considering all of its moves other than Outrage and Earthquake are trivial anyway).

Yeah i think Guillotine is propably his best move on Choice sets as his other options are completly worth less. it gives you a chance to one shot something on the switch in and the only thing that can counter it are ghosts, sadly this would come with the downfall of being easily picked off by shandera so it would be better to switch if it misses on the first try.

 

[Granstafer]

rock slide is OK, and brick break and shadow claw show unresisted coverage. here's a set:

Ononokusu @ choice scarf
adamant/jolly
252atk/252spe/4 def
-outrage/dragon claw
-earthquake
-brick break/dragon tail/rock slide
-shadow claw

Brick break and shadow claw provide unresisted coverage, dragon tail can switch out the opponent, rock slide can be used if you want.

I'm just trying to get the point across about not using guillotine by showing other interesting options.

 

[Ace Emerald]

rock slide is OK, and brick break and shadow claw show unresisted coverage. here's a set:

Ononokusu @ choice scarf
adamant/jolly
252atk/252spe/4 def
-outrage/dragon claw
-earthquake
-brick break/dragon tail/rock slide
-shadow claw

Brick break and shadow claw provide unresisted coverage, dragon tail can switch out the opponent, rock slide can be used if you want.

I'm just trying to get the point across about not using guillotine by showing other interesting options.

IMO unresisted coverage is not completely nessesary on a scarfer, espically when neither are STAB. If you want to beat Skarm, taunt plus minimum defencive investment is superior to guillotine.

 

[Pokémon Trainer R]

The reason why I consider Brick Break, Rock Slide and Shadow Claw to be trivial, especially on a Choice Band or Choice Scarf moveset, is because, as I have already mentioned two pages ago, a super effective hit from those moves deals less damage than a neutral hit from Outrage, while a neutral hit from those moves deals less damage than a not-very-effective hit from Outrage (and Earthquake obviously deals more damage to Steel-type Pokémon than Brick Break does), rendering them quite redundant as Outrage is a single move with which Ononokusu can hit all non-Steel-type Pokémon for more damage than any of those moves (except for in the case of when those moves hit a Pokémon with a 4x weakness to them, of course, though that's quite situational and Outrage or Earthquake can usually deal a significant amount of damage to them anyway), and since none of those moves can hit Skarmory for super effective damage, this means that Ononokusu's most powerful attack other than Guillotine with which it can hit Skarmory is simply Outrage, which deals negligible damage to the Steel/Flying-type Pokémon anyway, meaning that Guillotine is definitely a viable option on Ononokusu.

Obviously, I am not suggesting that Guillotine is a move which all Ononokusu should have in an environment in which it is allowed. It is far from a necessary move, especially on Dragon Dance or Swords Dance movesets, but my only point is that it is a considerable option in an environment in which it can be used, due to the ease with which it can destroy Skarmory, which is the single most difficult obstacle for any Ononokusu to overcome in my opinion.