Sleep Talk Phazing sets with Dragon Tail would work on him.
He's great against stall,but he doesn't make it completely unviable.
Give me PROOF that he will absolutely destroy all stall teams,then I'll believe he should be banned.
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Sleep Talk Phazing sets with Dragon Tail would work on him.
He's great against stall,but he doesn't make it completely unviable.
Give me PROOF that he will absolutely destroy all stall teams,then I'll believe he should be banned.
I'm wondering if you're really this dumb in reality or you enjoy not making sense.
Ever heard of Magic Guard? Ever heard of the fact that it shrugs non CB Tyranitar Crunches off and Recovers to full health? Ever heard of the fact that it Psycho Shocks other CM boosters to beat them all?
I've never seen anyone try and kill Rankurusu when Trick Room is up. Every game I've played and seen, people stall the Trick Room out by switching in a way that they think is smart, when all you really need to do with the way teams are constructed ATM is spam Focus Blast continuously to catch Tyranitar on the switch. It's incredibly difficult to wall. And how does priority work when it's pretty damn bulky? A Latios Draco Meteor doesn't KO max HP Rank at full health FFS.
Bring a Stall team, I'll let everything die and kill you with CM Rankurusu guaranteed. You can only phaze for so long, and since it doesn't take hazard damage, good luck killing it with anything other than Tyranitar. And if Tyranitar is dead on your stall team, good luck winning. Oh, and if you have Dory on your stall team, it's not difficult pairing Rank with Gliscor, since, you know, the only real Rankurusu removers are Scizor and Tyranitar.
You can't be serious.
But just in case you are: it's not hard to Recover damage from a 60 Base Power move, you know.
Obviously there's a few thing stall can do to prevent being automatically losing to Rankurusu, such as using Spiritomb, but that doesn't change the fact that Ranky is a huge pain in the ass for those kinds of teams.
Jesus Christ.
LO Adamant Haxorus's Dragon Tail vs. 192/188 Modest Reuniclus: 38.1% - 45%
And that's the manliest Dragon Tail you'll find in OU. Reuniclus will find its way to Recover it out a couple turns later. Also, +0 Psychic will do 60.4% - 71% damage in the process.
Ok, I see how this is running. I'll admit that Rankurusu is awesome, although something will take it's place if it gets banned. I won't say what though. And it can still take out stall just as easily.
At least it's not on 50% of teams or 30% of teams.
At least it's not on 50% of teams or 30% of teams.
Still, even if Rankurusu is broken (which I feel it isn't), it's way too sudden to ban it. I hope the voters are patient enough to hold off on it until next round (I think we all agree this endless monsoon is a bigger issue).
What?
Do you even TRY to fight it?
Max attack T-tar's Crunch does 59% - 71% to Bold 252 Hp/252 Def Reuniclus,so he can't exactly just shrug it off when he'll have a maximum of 40% HP left.
Specs Latios does even MORE damage:
538 Atk vs 273 Def & 424 HP (140 Base Power): 297 - 349 (70.05% - 82.31%)
And unless you let him gather multiple CMs,Latios can kill him.
On the other hand,Reuniclus can only OHKO that same Latios at +2:
572 Atk vs 256 Def & 301 HP (80 Base Power): 258 - 304 (85.71% - 101.00%)
Reuniclus' Focus Blast will only 2HKO T-tar if it's at +0 though,otherwise it'll always OHKO a T-tar with no investment in its bulk.
You act as if he's impossible to stop.
I've run Reuniclus,and I've lost against the GOOD stall teams. You know? The ones that take threats into account and don't just carry 6 walls?
I'm pretty sure everyone knows already that Ranky's pre-evolution (whatever it's name is) has pretty much the same bulk with Pre-evo Stone/miracle evolution and the same Special Attack.
It's effectivelly an item-less Rankurusu. It'll have more or less the same bulk as a Life Orb Ranky, but will be weaker because it can't carry a Life Orb. Or it'll be as strong as Leftovers Rankurusu, but not as Bulky, as it's item slot is already taken by Pre-evo Stone.
EDIT - This post was meant to Demo-kun, but I got double ninja'd.
It's effectivelly an item-less Rankurusu. It'll have more or less the same bulk as a Life Orb Ranky, but will be weaker because it can't carry a Life Orb. Or it'll be as strong as Leftovers Rankurusu, but not as Bulky, as it's item slot is already taken by Pre-evo Stone.
EDIT - This post was meant to Demo-kun, but I got double ninja'd.
Stone Daburan.
Well, if you want to really kill it, Band Heracross' Megahorn guarantees a OHKO. Damage calcs incoming.
574 Atk vs 276 Def & 424 HP (120 Base Power): 536 - 632 (126.42% - 149.06%)
That is sufficient enough, but note that without the band, Megahorn cannot KO.
574 Atk vs 276 Def & 424 HP (120 Base Power): 536 - 632 (126.42% - 149.06%)
That is sufficient enough, but note that without the band, Megahorn cannot KO.
Yes, it does. So provided you have a sleeping Ononokuso, it's Adamant LO (who the hell runs Sleep Talk on Adamant LO Onono...honestly) it picks Sleep Talk, and you have nothing on your team that Rankurusu can recover against, yeah, you'll beat it.
Good luck with that.
And another part of the problem is what Stellar (I think it was) mentioned: that unlike some Pokemon that can "single handledly destroy stall" supposedly, Rankurusu poses the ability to do nearly the same (or at least a huge amount of damage) to offense.
Oh yes, let me just throw a Tyranitar or Latios on a team that would much rather prefer either a wall for Tyranitar (I know Tyranitar is sometimes used on Stall teams) or Latias for Latios.
Perhaps I overreacted a BIT, but still Rank is not even close to Uber. Rank cannot at ALL spam Focus Blast on switches, as sooner or later Buru or Lati@s is goin to cme along, shrug off the hit, and OHKO Rank if not under TR. And if it is under Tr, Anything with Sucker Punch knocks it into the ground, and it can't tank extremely well either.
EDIT: Ninja'd 5 times. Wooo!
EDIT: Ninja'd 5 times. Wooo!
If I shout, "MEWTWO IS COUNTERED BY A LOT OF STUFF," really loud does that make it true? That's pretty much what has been going on this entire time. Back up your assertions with evidence (see: damage calculations). Yesterday Bologo asserted that SpD Drapion countered Rankurusu. I did a few calculations to check this for myself and this is what I found:
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(Life Orb, Modest, 252 SpA) Rankurusu Focus Blast v. (Leftovers, 252 HP, 252 SpD, Careful) Drapion
383 Atk vs 273 Def & 344 HP (120 Base Power): 157 - 185 (45.64% - 53.78%)
Chance of 2HKO assuming Stealth Rock is in play: 93.29%
Chance of Focus Blast missing at least once in two uses: 51%
(4 Atk) Drapion Crunch v. (252 HP) Rankurusu
217 Atk vs 186 Def & 424 HP (80 Base Power): 204 - 240 (48.11% - 56.60%)
Chance for Crunch to 2HKO: 82.25%Assuming that sandstorm is not active and that neither Drapion nor Rankurusu score a critical hit, the chance for Drapion to successfully KO Rankurusu before fainting is 39.42%. This scenario assumes that Drapion switches in as Rankurusu uses Trick Room. If sandstorm is present, this scenario favors Rankurusu and the percentage decreases.
Here are calculations with CM Rankurusu and SpD Drapion:
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(+1) Rankurusu Focus Blast v. (Leftovers, 252 HP, 252 SpD) Drapion
429 Atk vs 273 Def & 344 HP (120 Base Power): 136 - 160 (39.53% - 46.51%)
Chance of 2HKO assuming Stealth Rock is in play: 0%
(4 Atk) Drapion Crunch v. (Leftovers, 252 HP, 252 Def, Bold) Rankurusu
217 Atk vs 273 Def & 424 HP (80 Base Power): 138 - 164 (32.55% - 38.68%)
Chance of 2HKO: 0%This is just an example, but it would benefit everyone if the needless repetition of arguments was dialed down. The truth is, what you say here is not going to shape voter opinion in any large fashion. This thread is only truly useful to discuss metagame developments during the course of the test. The types of arguments that are presented here have little affect on vote outcome when considering the current system (a simple yes or no vote).
ETA: smashlloyd20, if you believe that Rankurusu cannot sponge hits, I highly doubt your experience either using it or playing against it. The above calculations more than adequately show that Rankurusu can tank hits.
He said that Reuniclus just shrugged Latios' DM and T-tar's Crunch,so I did some calcs,and seeing as how Reuniclus isn't out speeding ANYTHING,there's no reason for him to be so impossible to beat.
Latios is KOed with a combination of Focus Blast+Shadow Ball, and Buru is taken advantage of by a wide range of other Pokes or Rankurusu can force Buru to keep Recovering until he gets a Sp. Def drop on Buru and then kills him. And the users for Sucker Punch are small and usually won't fit on many teams all that well.
Hilariously enough, that low speed stat means it can beat Bulk Up Roobushin with Psycho Cunt, as Payback is going first against Ranku in pretty much every case.
Good luck with that 1/3 chance of hitting Ranky with a Sleep Talked Dragon Tail. Or 1/2 if you use only 3 moves in hopes of countering it better.
Very rarely does Reuniclus carry Shadow Ball.
Most carry Focus Blast/HP Fighting + Psychic/Psycho Shock.
Btw,has anyone ever tried....taunting him?!?!?!
It sounds like it MAY work,since you know....he can't heal or boost his bulk.
Has ANYONE tried it?
Seriously,when I ran Reuniclus,Taunt was my nightmare.
I'd also like to add,that most people don't run full stall anymore anyway >.>
You can thank the super hard hitters like Landorus.
Do you realize Reuniclus has 30 base Speed, Sucker Punch has 8PP and the little bugger can just keep using CM and Recover forever until you run out of PP...?
...And that Tyranitar has Crunch...?
EDIT -- Oh wait it's under TR.
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You could just TR then.
Seriously, have you ever actually played against an OTR Rank (arguably the most dangerous set, especially for non stall) which almost always runs TR + 3 Attacks (Focus Blast, Shadow Ball, and Psychic/Psycho Shock.
Also, can people stop mentioning Latios as a viable switch in to all Rankurusu? OTR Rank deals 80.40% - 87.71% to Min/Min Latios and 69.10% - 75.75% to Min/Min Latiaswith Shadow Ball.
With Rank using CM to boost its SDef? Crunch any time.
Seriously, though; I've been trying to run full stall, and this little guy has been giving me serious problems. What are stall teams doing these days to deal with him?
You do realize he has 4 moveslots, right?
FB/Shadow Ball/Psychic/CM or Trickroom
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