"you people" lol. So you actually believe you're the only one that can be right and everyone else is just too stubborn to accept it. There's nothing to refute that you won't just find an opportunity to bring back up in a couple of pages when you think what's been said has been forgotten. All you've said is that CM rank destroys stall when a ton of counters and/or checks have been listed for it in the last 26 pages. It's not our fault you refuse to accept any of them because you think they're bad. Nor does it make you any more right.
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Reuniclus
- Thread starter Pratty
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Once again, that is exactly the same as saying every team must simply pack Banded Mamoswine and Rayquaza isn't uber. That is ridiculous to have every single stall team have to carry an extremely niche poke, and a bad one at that
You keep saying it is bad and I don't know why. It can run a wide variety of sets that aid stall teams and prevents Spiritomb from becoming a liability. With Will-O-Wisp physical attackers won't switch in, and he can be used to Pursuit the likes of Lati@s and beat up Reuniclus. Please go test it before you say any more. A lot of people discrediting Spiritomb in this thread are spending more time bitching about Reuniculus than they are testing ways to defeat it.
If by niche poke you mean Scizor, one of the most overused pokes ever, then be my guest. Other than that there's quite some ways to deal with Reuni, but yes, I admit most of them are situational.
I don't carry any of them,and I do alright >.>
Do you run stall?
Gen4 Garchomp was overcentralization. This situation is not.
Cool story, bro, you have any evidence of that?
No it's overcentralizing if it requires every team to carry a specific counter. You miss the fact that it's only stall that actually has trouble with CM rank and there's a lot more than just 1 counter. It's really like saying gen 4 infernape destroys stall and forces me to use tentacruel on my stall team. Tentacruel is fucking bad so ban infernape so stall can be used.
This this this. Blasphemy is right, please explain why Spiritomb is a terrible Pokemon instead of making sweeping generalizations about it with no evidence to back it up whatsoever.
EDIT: VVV Explain how Spiritomb is outclassed.
The only real counter to Cm Rank is Spiritomb, which is niche and very heavily outclassed on stall. Secondly, Nape doesn't rip apart good stall teams that carry things like Bloongell (which is very useful outside of countering Nape).
Tyranitar, Scizor, Spiritomb, MH Sableye once it's released, and that's just ones that would fit well with full stall. If you're willing to expand your playstyle a bit, even more counters become available. That's not overcentralization.
Counters have no relevance to this discussion.
I meant infernape in gen 4 and spiritomb is not the only real counter.
If we're discussing whether Rankurusu is Uber or not, then its potential counters are very relevant.
Parasect counters Reuniclus pretty hardcore. Switch in on any attack and Spore it (I run 8 Speed EVs and out of the many hundred Reuniclus I've switched into I've never been outsped). Parasect can switch in on any attack from both the CM set and the TR set. Worst case scenario it TR's as you switch in, and you take about 70% from Psychic before Sporing it (and then you recover 18% per turn while it's asleep). X-Scizzor does around 40 something percent damage to the Bold max defense variants.
Jirachi is also a fantastic counter to the non TR variants. Between Iron Head's 60% Flinch rate, and Focus Blast's shaky accuracy, you have excellent odds of coming out of this match-up alive. I speak from practical experience, something I think masterful could benefit from if he spent more time battling and less time arguing.
Jirachi is also a fantastic counter to the non TR variants. Between Iron Head's 60% Flinch rate, and Focus Blast's shaky accuracy, you have excellent odds of coming out of this match-up alive. I speak from practical experience, something I think masterful could benefit from if he spent more time battling and less time arguing.
The ability to expect a counter for every threat is a luxury of past generations. What is relevant is not counters, but checks.
I believe that the final answer to CBTar was that it has a 52% chance to beat Rank. And a 48% chance to leave Rank at such low health it's useless anyway.
I suppose that in masterful-Land, a 100% chance to stop something from sweeping isn't good enough. Would a 200% chance be better?
In a stiuation like that, you have two choices.
1) Get swept every other battle
2) Use a niche pokemon and not get swept every other battle
I would pick choice #2 every time.
One more thing. CB Mamoswine isn't as good as last Gen, but it's not bad at all.
This is why I was bitching at you a few pages ago. Someone is automatically wrong because their opinion doesn't perfectly match up with the Characterisitcs.
You said that you would deal with it when it happens. Guess what? It just happened.
Do you have any evidence of your claims? Cuz it sure doesn't look like it.
1) Bloongell counters things other than Infernape (who can still Thunderpunch it). Spiritomb counters things other than Rankurusu. Get over it.
2) We've already been over why Spiritomb avoids being out-clssed but you think that masterful > all.
3) You forgot some other counters. Like CBTar. And I think CB Scizor, but I'm not sure on that. Let's not forget niche pokemon like CB Shubarugo.
Can't you realize that spiritomb is not the only stall pokemon that can beat Reuniclus? Taunt gliscor is a great counter if it switches in on the first CM and taunts. It's 75/125 defenses can shrug off weak psycho shocks and it resist focus blast. From there, it can just pp stall Reuniclus.
And of course any pokemon with encore beats Reuniclus.
However, if a counter is can be found, it should be discussed.
We just don't see the light like he does.
Good point. I'll rephrase.
Any lack of counters Reuniclus may have is not relevant to this discussion.