I think Dugtrio would be better than Wobbuffett as he can actually KO Tyranitar and Ninetails, and maybe even weakened Politoed too
Using weather moves is viable, but not comparable to Rapid Spin. Rapid Spin is often a trade of several turns (multiple layers of Spikes/SR) for one. That is a huge switch in momentum. A weather move trades one turn for what is often no turns: switching in a weathersetter that can sometimes even force the opponent to switch. In many situations, this can actually become a loss in momentum for the user.
He can't KO Tyranitar, I don't believe. Either way, I've tried Dugtrio. He's more of a liability on the team than anything. It can't KO anything to save its life without Choice Band, and its too easy to set up on a Pokemon locked in to Earthquake.
I use Focus Sash Dugtrio to take care of Tyranitar, works perfectly fine. Hell I even use it as my Stealth Rocker.
LOL
Anyway the problem im having with Dugtrio is its crappy defense, you have to let something die because even wuss mix tar will OHKO it. A nice user of Volt Switch seems like a great idea because thats where Ttar and Jirachi (the most annoying things it kills) will want to come in.
CB Dugtrio does 80.7% - 95.5% to max HP TTar which is a good chance of OHKO after SR. Actually, even if Dugtrio doesn't OHKO, TTar won't be able to change the weather a second time as it will die to SR upon the next switch in. Dugtrio is quite underated imo, 120 base speed is crucial in this metagame as it can outspeed and revenge kill threats like the Genies, Starmie, Terrakion and Virizion among the others.
Furthermore, assuming Stoutland and Excadrill will be Jolly in speed and Adamant in Attack is kind of fallacious. Excadrill can't have 604 speed and 405 attack at same time, for example...
True enough, but Excadrill has 550 speed with Adamant anyway. What outspeeds that?
if drizzle + swift swim is banned, then why sand stream + sand rush isn't?
I undertand that pokemon with swift swim had to be nerfed, but is the same case with Stoutland and Excadrill, specially the last one for these reasons:
Both pokemon are incredibly fast, outspeeding almost every non-bulked pokemon
(Stoutland speed: 568 / Excadrill speed: 604 in sandstorm) and carrying a large amount of attack (Stoutland attack: 328 / Excadrill attack: 405), getting many KOs without bulking up
Furthermore, its logical to try killing those with faster moves, but Excadrill has resistance to all of them, but three: Aqua Jet, Mach Punch and Vacuum Wave
Resistance to: Fake Out, Extremespeed, Ice Shard, Shadow Sneak, Bullet Punch, Sucker Punch and Quick Attack
Choice scarf Deoxys-S outspeeds even Jolly Doryuuzu, and yes it's damn annoying.
There are better facts to support that standpoint than that.I'm sorry but Sand Veil chomp is fucking retarded. I don't give a fuck what the percentages are. Every time it at least gets one miss. That is a guarantee. I just faced one that got three consecutively off of perfect acc attacks. I'm not just bitching over this one instance because this is a usual occurrence. Sand Veil just needs to go. That stupid shit makes me wonder why this is even called competitive pokemon...
You ban Sand Veil, your also banning Garchomp at the same time considering that his Dream World ability hasn't been released yet. If you hate Garchomp so much, then ban Garchomp. Or ban Sand considering that's what causing Sand Veil to do anything.
Waiting for DW abilities won't solve anything. Random ass pokes like Cacturne lose a lot of their viable movepool, so that creates a whole different problem. We've been through this before. Welcome to the thread. People will freak the fuck out if we ban Sand entirely or Chomp alone.
Thor's complex ban is probably the cleanest way to deal with Sand Veil imo. We already used a similar one to deal with rain in R2.