5th Gen PRNG Help / Info - Latest: RNG Reporter 9.96.5, PPRNG 1.15.0

[Bahamut3585]

Hello. I registered to post this problem. Just started RNG'ing this generation. I've already gotten a 31/31/31/x/31/31 Ditto from Giant Chasm using RNG, but now I'm trying to get a 31/x/31/31/31/31 Ditto to help breed Sp. Atk Pokes. Been trying for a few days now with no success, and I don't know why.

Here's all the info that the first post asks for (except for 'delay', I don't know what that is):


RNG Reporter Version 9.81 BETA
MAC address (DS Lite): 001656DE615E
Intended Pokemon: Ditto (Encounter Slot 4) @ Giant Chasm Plains using Fog Elimination trick & Sweet Scent,
IV's: 31/x/31/31/31/31
Nature: any
Shiny: don't care, just want the IV's

Full Seed: 5AFAD1C0CB600EE1 Frame: 1 Keypress: Y
Pokemon obtained: Metang - #375 (Relaxed)
HP: 6-7
Atk: 10-11
Def: 6-7
SpA: 7-8
SpD: 0-1
Spe: 8-9

Full Seed: 06EFA0A03A9659F7 Frame: 1 Keypress: Right
Pokemon obtained: Clefairy - #35 (Adamant)
HP: 5-6
Atk: 3-4
Def: 22-23
SpA: 25-28
SpD: 22-23
Spe: 25-26

I don't know for certain if I'm doing things properly, because when I search for adjacent seeds these IV values aren't even close. Might be the keypresses, maybe I'm not doing it exactly right but I start pressing right when I start the game up and keep it held until the screen goes black after the Nintendo logo. (Do I have to watch the intro movie?)

Thanks in advance for the help. Please bear with me, I've never done RNG before last week.

 

[chiizu]

@Wordproblems: I got your PM. I noticed you're using ZomgTimer for your Entralinking. In the prerequisites, I mention you should specifically use EonTimer because it has a calibration setting for Entralink abuse (The High Link box). Don't use ZomgTimer. I guess I'll go clarify that further in the guide ^^;

Unfortunately, EonTimer doesn't work correctly in mono, so Toast wrote instructions on how to do EntraLink stuff with ZomgTimer. For now, Mac users are stuck with this option.

I also noticed you're using PPRNG? With regards to that, here's a question for those of you who can use PPRNG since I don't have a Mac:

Is there a function to set a min/max search frame for the equivalent of the Seed to Times/Adjacents Finder in PPRNG? The Delay and Second boxes use +/- the value you enter into those boxes as the range, but the Frame box doesn't seem to have a +/- function. Does that mean the "C-Gear Inspector" only searches the one frame you specify in that box? If that's the case, you might want to try putting "21" into that box since the first Pokemon you encounter during calibration will likely be on frame 21.

[edit] Thanks to ProbopassSausages for answering my PPRNG question on IRC. If I understand correctly, there should be an option to set your Min/Max IV range in the Frames tab, which I hope you've done so besides also specifying the range of your Delays and Seconds. Unfortunately I won't be able to guide you through this as the interface seems to differ from RNG Reporter's.

As ProbopassSausages says, the only way to check multiple IV frames at the moment is to look in the frames tab, but this only shows the frames for that seed. Meanwhile, the adjacents tab currently only shows a single frame of IVs, but it shows the various adjacents for that frame. If it's a useful feature, I can add multiple IV frames to the adjacents tab. Now that people are starting to do EntraLink stuff, more of these kinds of issues will start coming up, I expect.

 

[voodoo pimp]

EDIT: After a crapload of testing, It could be something to do with running and then turning quick? I decided to walk little by little, turn, etc, and found my PID frame. I just found it strange that I kept getting random natures. I remember that I did run when going to Cobalion, and never got me this problem. >_>

I think running can mess it up, yeah. I've never been able to get a consistent frame by running.

 

[Toast++]

Unfortunately, EonTimer doesn't work correctly in mono, so Toast wrote instructions on how to do EntraLink stuff with ZomgTimer. For now, Mac users are stuck with this option.

Anyone requiring the use of Zomgtimer can use the FAQ in my signature to adjust for EntraLink. I hope to introduce a watered-down EntraLink setting on Zomg sometime in the near future along with a performance update. I have a lot on my plate right now so I'm not sure how long it'll take. Summer just started though, so I have a little more free time. Unfortunately, Zomg will never be quite as function as Eon just because I hate working with Java GUIs.

From what I've heard though, Eon does work correctly under Mono in Linux. I'd encourage anyone running Linux to try that first.

 

[Umbreon91]

How is it possible to have a shiny roamer as some of you have?
I mean, how do you control the PID frame for shininess when there's a storm outside?

 

[Sephirona]

Unfortunately, EonTimer doesn't work correctly in mono, so Toast wrote instructions on how to do EntraLink stuff with ZomgTimer. For now, Mac users are stuck with this option.



As ProbopassSausages says, the only way to check multiple IV frames at the moment is to look in the frames tab, but this only shows the frames for that seed. Meanwhile, the adjacents tab currently only shows a single frame of IVs, but it shows the various adjacents for that frame. If it's a useful feature, I can add multiple IV frames to the adjacents tab. Now that people are starting to do EntraLink stuff, more of these kinds of issues will start coming up, I expect.

Anyone requiring the use of Zomgtimer can use the FAQ in my signature to adjust for EntraLink. I hope to introduce a watered-down EntraLink setting on Zomg sometime in the near future along with a performance update. I have a lot on my plate right now so I'm not sure how long it'll take. Summer just started though, so I have a little more free time. Unfortunately, Zomg will never be quite as function as Eon just because I hate working with Java GUIs.

From what I've heard though, Eon does work correctly under Mono in Linux. I'd encourage anyone running Linux to try that first.

Thanks for the clarification~! As a PC user I'm not familiar with PPRNG :c

Unfortunately, wordproblems, this also means I probably won't be able to help you as well as someone who's actually using PPRNG since I primarily use RNG Reporter. I'm not sure if I have the right idea about your Frame, but try setting it to 21 instead of 1 so that when you run a search for the seed you hit you'll be searching the correct starting frame for your IVs.

 

[Toast++]

How is it possible to have a shiny roamer as some of you have?
I mean, how do you control the PID frame for shininess when there's a storm outside?

Some people did it through lots of patience. Others found one of the "magic" PIDs and went from there. If you're going to do it, you'll need a lot of patience since there isn't a ton of info about the latter just yet.

 

[Zuzu]

I need to get the IV's for a sweet scented pokemon to get my Parimeter, and I'm just making sure this is how I do it.

Save my game in Victory Road, turn the game off, and input a time into the Reporter like 14:20:25. I turn on the DS and go into the game with the clock goes to 14:20:00 and wait till the Game Freak appears before skipping into the game, not turning on the C-Gear. Then I don't press anything when the Spring thing comes up (Is that right, or doesn't matter?), then I sweet scent and capture the pokemon.

Then getting the IV's is all I need right?

 

[TammiGo]

I need to get the IV's for a sweet scented pokemon to get my Parimeter, and I'm just making sure this is how I do it.

Save my game in Victory Road, turn the game off, and input a time into the Reporter like 14:20:25. I turn on the DS and go into the game with the clock goes to 14:20:00 and wait till the Game Freak appears before skipping into the game, not turning on the C-Gear. Then I don't press anything when the Spring thing comes up (Is that right, or doesn't matter?), then I sweet scent and capture the pokemon.

Then getting the IV's is all I need right?

Important: You should start the game on 14:20:25 if that's the time you're going to enter into RNG Reporter. In other words, fill in the time on which you started the game in RNG Reporter :P

(You can press 'X' for the menu to come up during the spring/ season thing) I always wait untill the first vid comes up before skipping with the 'start' button.

Hoped that helped :)

 

[dtruth]

it's hard to say, as you just need to keep adjusting the parameters until you find yours. most flash cards work fine, though there are a few that it isn't possible to use since their vcount and timer0 vary too much. also, if you're using a flash card with the dsi for standard seeds(which is fine because all flash cards run or can run in ds mode) you need to pay attention to the fact that all flash cards use an "SWI - reset" instruction in order to get themselves booting on the console. that can throw off both your gxstat and the lower half of your MAC. to adjust, you may need to set gxstat to 86 instead of 6 and check the "soft reset" box even though you aren't soft-resetting.

Thank you for the help. My timer ended up being D17 so it was a good thing I made the search really wide.

My last question is if i am breeding a genderless pokemon with a ditto, is the genderless considered male in the RNG?

 

[shilenj]

I'm having a really hard time understanding how to RNG Thundurus/Tornadus. The most I've done is RNG a stationary legendary and I was successful so I'm understanding at least the basics. Roamers I haven't done yet and are harder.

Where exactly do I save? I haven't been into the house where the old woman tells you of the roamer and when you exit the house it then appears and flies away so I assume I haven't already ruined my chances at getting the right IVs and nature I want.

Can someone post a brief explanation on how to go about starting to attempt to get these two? I noticed a few people were also having difficulty with this earlier in the thread so maybe I'm helping others out as well as myself by asking.

Note: I want mine to be a non-Shiny Thundurus/Tornadus. I haven't decided the nature yet but I know how to adjust the IVs accordingly. It's the nature that I also am unfamiliar with doing, as I've used Synchronizers up until now, which won't work on the Genies.

 

[shilenj]

Thank you for the help. My timer ended up being D17 so it was a good thing I made the search really wide.

My last question is if i am breeding a genderless pokemon with a ditto, is the genderless considered male in the RNG?

Yes, Ditto is always considered the female when breeding with a genderless Pokemon.

 

[Turtwig]

I'm having a really hard time understanding how to RNG Thundurus/Tornadus. The most I've done is RNG a stationary legendary and I was successful so I'm understanding at least the basics. Roamers I haven't done yet and are harder.

Where exactly do I save? I haven't been into the house where the old woman tells you of the roamer and when you exit the house it then appears and flies away so I assume I haven't already ruined my chances at getting the right IVs and nature I want.

Can someone post a brief explanation on how to go about starting to attempt to get these two? I noticed a few people were also having difficulty with this earlier in the thread so maybe I'm helping others out as well as myself by asking.

Note: I want mine to be a non-Shiny Thundurus/Tornadus. I haven't decided the nature yet but I know how to adjust the IVs accordingly. It's the nature that I also am unfamiliar with doing, as I've used Synchronizers up until now, which won't work on the Genies.

The jump in difficulty from stationary legends to roamers is a big one. You may want to consider practicing on something else first.

You could save in front of her house, but I saved inside her house. Though saving inside means you can't turn back and decide to get the roamers later, you don't have to deal with the rain from the first part of the event.
Basically (assuming you saved inside the house), hit your seed. If you're doing any advances with Chatter, do them before you exit the house. Now exit the house, and mash through the conversation with your roamer. Once it flies away, everything is set.
The rain that starts up causes the PIDRNG (what controls the Nature) to advance by about 60 frames per second, if I recall correctly, so it's vital that you mash through the conversation to get consistent results.

It's easy to get the right IVs, but getting the right Nature is the hard part.

 

[Zuzu]

Important: You should start the game on 14:20:25 if that's the time you're going to enter into RNG Reporter. In other words, fill in the time on which you started the game in RNG Reporter :P

(You can press 'X' for the menu to come up during the spring/ season thing) I always wait untill the first vid comes up before skipping with the 'start' button.

Hoped that helped :)

Oh sorry, I meant to say when it gets to 25 >.<

So now, I got a 15:07:08 seed, so when I where to start the game, I'd go at 07 seconds since my real seconds (From the DS Parimeter thing) is 26 right?

Also, I wanted a spread of HP 70, but the best I've found so far is 67. Is there a power loss there thats detrimental enough to keep going till i get Hp 70?

 

[TammiGo]

Yup. I have the same thing too. I always have to time it one second before the actual one.

Depends on what Pokémon you're RNGing for and what threats you hope to overcome with that Hidden Power. Run some damage calcs and see if it affects dealing with that Pokémon a lot in terms of OHKOing 2OHKOin (w or w/o stealth rock). I don't think 3 points matter but you never know and I'm not that much of a damage calculist XD

 

[UpsideDownHitmontop]

Oh sorry, I meant to say when it gets to 25 >.<

So now, I got a 15:07:08 seed, so when I where to start the game, I'd go at 07 seconds since my real seconds (From the DS Parimeter thing) is 26 right?

Also, I wanted a spread of HP 70, but the best I've found so far is 67. Is there a power loss there thats detrimental enough to keep going till i get Hp 70?

So you found your parameters already using the time 14:20:25 and your actual seconds was 26? Yes that means you should hit A 1 second before the time RNG reporter gives you.
For HP fire 70 power search this HP >= 30, Def >=30, SpA == 30, SpD == 31, Spe == 30. Leave attack as "none" unless it's a mixed attacker.
Click on the "5th gen DS parameters setup" tab and set keypresses to 3 before searching.

 

[Zuzu]

So you found your parameters already using the time 14:20:25 and your actual seconds was 26? Yes that means you should hit A 1 second before the time RNG reporter gives you.
For HP fire 70 power search this HP >= 30, Def >=30, SpA == 30, SpD == 31, Spe == 30. Leave attack as "none" unless it's a mixed attacker.
Click on the "5th gen DS parameters setup" tab and set keypresses to 3 before searching.

Thanks. Well, I'm kinda sad. I forgot to put my Munna to the front and synchronise Naive nature onto it. And I hit the seed (is that what it is lol?) Gonna have another go.

Just checking, 128 steps for 2 frames with 2 pokemon in your party, a step means moving to a new box right? not turning to a different direction?

 

[TammiGo]

Yup, taking actual steps ;)

Turning in an area with pokémon (meaning something like grass) also advanced the IVRNG frame with 2 however.

I'm guessing your seed is on frame 3 then?

 

[Zuzu]

Yup, taking actual steps ;)

Turning in an area with pokémon (meaning something like grass) also advanced the IVRNG frame with 2 however.

I'm guessing your seed is on frame 3 then?

Yea my frame is 3. I'm pretty excited, being my first RNG and all. If I use a Max Repel after starting the game, will that effect anything?

 

[Jiraiya]

no repel does not affect anything

 

[UpsideDownHitmontop]

Yea my frame is 3. I'm pretty excited, being my first RNG and all. If I use a Max Repel after starting the game, will that effect anything?

You're supposed to use a repel.

• Engaging in a battle.
  - Advances at approximately 120 frames per second. Requires Frame Check code to pull off​

So you want to avoid battles.

 

[Zuzu]

You're supposed to use a repel.
So you want to avoid battles.

Yep. Sorry, my Munna was like lv.19 so it attracted pokemon still. So I'm hunting down a Beheeyem.

 

[UpsideDownHitmontop]

Yep. Sorry, my Munna was like lv.19 so it attracted pokemon still. So I'm hunting down a Beheeyem.

You don't need to have the synchronizer at the front until you are about to sweet scent/interact with the pokemon. Just do your advances with something else at the front of your party then switch the munna to the front of your party before sweet scenting/interacting with the pokemon.

 

[Gothic Togekiss]

What is the "All Encounter Shiny" tab on the Time Finder use for anyway? Does it even serve a function at all or is it there just to be there?

Still wondering because I used it to gather a seed and did the IVRNG frame advancements and whatnot yet no shiny Pokemon. Is there something I'm missing about that specific option. BTW, does Chatot Chatter advances the PIDRNG frame for wild Pokemon as well?

 

[TammiGo]

The PID RNG frame is the same for Wild, Stationary and Gift Pokémon. There's only one IVRNG frame and one PID RNG frame so you can use your chatot in every situation to control gender, ability etcetera ^^