Ugh I hate NPCs. Im trying to RNG pokemon on Route 6 but I can't seem to match my PID probably because of the NPCs. Does the PID start at 1 all the time or would I have to try using the calculate initial PID to try to get an idea where my pid is? Also do we have a list of Routes and places where there are absolutely no NPCs at all?
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5th Gen PRNG Help / Info - Latest: RNG Reporter 9.96.5, PPRNG 1.15.0
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For the zekrom, you got lucky.
There are 2 screens people use
- Time finder
- "Main RNG reporter screen"
The 2nd one is what you get when you start up the program for the first time.
When you do that, there's an option for method that says PIDRNG. You will then need to copy your seed from time finder into the seed box, and then hit generate. You will see a list of frames, but these are PIDRNG frames (not the IV frames you found in time finder. These frames are in reference to ability, gender, nature, etc). You then advance these frames in a different way, until you get a frame that matches what you want.
In more general terms:
- You do time finder to find when to load up the game to get the IVs you want
- You advance the PIDRNG frame to a certain frame that gives you the pokemon you want, the nature, the ability, the gender, and if it's shiny or not
I realize this might be really confusing because we're using a lot of terms that you don't know about. Everyone starts this way, and as you RNG more, you'll know what we're talking about.
PID never starts on frame 1, it always starts in the 40s, more or less. You can use the calculate button to find your starting one, but I've never played much with it to know if it works 100% of the time. I just go and find it myself by catching something, verify I hit my seed, and see what PID frame the pokemon I caught matches.
I haven't caught a wild pokemon abusing PID, but it shouldn't be much different than breeding. I think if you open up the menu right away and chatter to advance, then sweet scent after, your PIDs will be consistent
On that note: Does anyone know if the PID is set the moment you sweet scent? This is in reference to the following scenario
You use sweet scent, and during that animation, some NPCs move erratically. Will those movements advance the PIDRNG.
Put your full standard seed into the Seed(Hex) box, then from the drop down Method menu select Method 5 PIDRNG and click generate.
Ah yes sorry I was half-thinking of the IV frame advances by walking. But yeah, Chatot chatter would be a much better way to advance the PIDRNG.
Hi, I'm somewhat new to RNG, although I think I've got a general grasp on it by now. Currently I'm trying to breed an Impish 31/31/31/x(31)/31/31 Ferroseed. My parents are Male Ferroseed (31/x/31/31/31/x) and Female Impish (Everstone) Ferroseed (31/31/31/x/x/x). If my understanding of breeding is correct, then I have to find a seed with 3 of my desired IVs (I chose Defense, Special Defense, and Speed), parents with 31 IVs in the other 3 stats (Both have 31 HP, Female has 31 Attack, and Male has 31 Special Attack [not like it matters]), then find a frame with my desired nature and correct IVs passed down from the parents. This is what I found:
and (Frame 84)
Then I figured out what my starting frame is, since I read that its weird. (This is probably where I messed up). Anyway, I did one Chatot call and got male Impish, then reset the time and did two Chatot calls and got male Calm. This pattern only appears once in the range 1-100, and it's at 51-52 as shown below:
So I did that chatot call 34 times to get to 84, then got my egg (I've accessed the start menu and then talked to the day care guy as quickly as possible to avoid wandering NPCs screwing me over). After hatching the egg, it was Impish and female like it is supposed to be, but I checked its IVs and they were 31/31/31/30/0-1/31. I repeated and got the exact same results. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
Other bits of info about my situation:
-Pokemon White (English)
-DS Lite
-Mac Address=001656CB84D8
-C-Gear is off the whole time
-Timer0=C7F usually
and (Frame 84)
Then I figured out what my starting frame is, since I read that its weird. (This is probably where I messed up). Anyway, I did one Chatot call and got male Impish, then reset the time and did two Chatot calls and got male Calm. This pattern only appears once in the range 1-100, and it's at 51-52 as shown below:
So I did that chatot call 34 times to get to 84, then got my egg (I've accessed the start menu and then talked to the day care guy as quickly as possible to avoid wandering NPCs screwing me over). After hatching the egg, it was Impish and female like it is supposed to be, but I checked its IVs and they were 31/31/31/30/0-1/31. I repeated and got the exact same results. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
Other bits of info about my situation:
-Pokemon White (English)
-DS Lite
-Mac Address=001656CB84D8
-C-Gear is off the whole time
-Timer0=C7F usually
I'd like to clafirfy I have this right. I'm going to ID abuse my Black :)
Here's all my steps, including some pictures:
1. Find a suitable frame 1 seed for Method 5. This only effects the IVs, nothing else.
2. Find a PID for that seed with a nature/ability/encounter slot it want. Also, keep this frame low, below 70 to make it easy to get every time. By picking "Synchronize Frame Only", I can leave myself a 50/50 chance of being able to Synchronize. This will allow me to "choose" the nature of the pokemon I battle.
3. Find an ID combo that will give a shiny on that seed and frame.
4. Verify that those IDs will produce a shiny on the desired frame/seed.
With this, I can easily and repeably hit my seed, and my PID, and get the same results over and over again.
If any of that is wrong, please point it out to me :)
Also, how does this affect eggs? Aren't they starting on frame 8, so if I want to be able to hatch AND catch perfect shiny pokemon with ease, shouldn't I try and find a frame 8 good IVs seed, and then get the PID form there? Will the "Synchronize Frames Only" also affect the passing down a natures for eggs?
Hope I've got this understood, thanks for any help,
Joseph Duffy
Here's all my steps, including some pictures:
1. Find a suitable frame 1 seed for Method 5. This only effects the IVs, nothing else.
2. Find a PID for that seed with a nature/ability/encounter slot it want. Also, keep this frame low, below 70 to make it easy to get every time. By picking "Synchronize Frame Only", I can leave myself a 50/50 chance of being able to Synchronize. This will allow me to "choose" the nature of the pokemon I battle.
3. Find an ID combo that will give a shiny on that seed and frame.
4. Verify that those IDs will produce a shiny on the desired frame/seed.
With this, I can easily and repeably hit my seed, and my PID, and get the same results over and over again.
If any of that is wrong, please point it out to me :)
Also, how does this affect eggs? Aren't they starting on frame 8, so if I want to be able to hatch AND catch perfect shiny pokemon with ease, shouldn't I try and find a frame 8 good IVs seed, and then get the PID form there? Will the "Synchronize Frames Only" also affect the passing down a natures for eggs?
Hope I've got this understood, thanks for any help,
Joseph Duffy
I'm pretty sure you hit PID frame #82. You don't always get the exact same SSF because of human error. You might hit slightly slower on other trials because you're tired, etc
Make sure you are hitting your seed though by flying to victory road after you get your egg and see if the IV frame of a newly caught pokemon is on IV frame 14~20
I actually just looked it over and that was my conclusion as well. Thanks!
Hey guys, I know I've been a pest before however now I'm doing Non C-Gear with a DS Lite. I already put my DS settings in the reporter. I just learned how to do IV's with no problem but now I'm trying to test how to find shiny wild pokemon so can get an Idea on how to breed for shiny flawless eggs, (baby-steps). Here's what I'm doing:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/capturexz.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/capture1cfn.png/
I'm saved at the last part of Victory Road and have Chattot in my party. I'm trying to get the handle of advancing the PID and I'm having trouble with what I'm doing. I know that after I generate my results in the main screen of the reporter I set the date and whatnot on the DS and Sweet Scent as soon as I get onto the screen. I also know to check the nature of the pokemon and then repeat but also use recorded chatter chattot 1 + x time as I keep resetting. My problem is that my results differ everytime I do it and don't follow what on the report. Is it because of my settings?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/capturexz.png/
I'm saved at the last part of Victory Road and have Chattot in my party. I'm trying to get the handle of advancing the PID and I'm having trouble with what I'm doing. I know that after I generate my results in the main screen of the reporter I set the date and whatnot on the DS and Sweet Scent as soon as I get onto the screen. I also know to check the nature of the pokemon and then repeat but also use recorded chatter chattot 1 + x time as I keep resetting. My problem is that my results differ everytime I do it and don't follow what on the report. Is it because of my settings?
Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for clearing that up. :)
After putting in my initial seed, into the main window and pushing the Calculate button, this is what I get:
If the Starting frame is 44, and I pick frame 111, does that mean I have to advance the frame 67 times?
Okay, so I just did 67 advances with two Chatots, and I ended up getting a Level 28 Boldore in Slot 1, which is 4 slots away from the one I want.
What went wrong? :(
EDIT: And yes, I have something recorded on both Chatots.
if the iv's on it do not match the ones you want then you didn't hit your seed cause of timer 0 fluctuating or NPC'S are interfering with your frame
Ok, I am really, really confused.
First, I'll ask this: is it possible to RNG stationary legendaries after using a re-battle code?
(I messed up and hit one IV frame in front of my target frame when catching Virizion the first time, so that's why I'm using the code...)
Anyway, I'm using the same exact seed and methods, but I'm getting shit IV's that don't show up in RNG Reporter. I get the right nature, since I guess the PID frame is the same, and I've re-done the math over and over again, and I should be landing my IV frame, but I'm not...
My seed is C02F3D83898D4E0C, my ID is 57769, my target frame is 25, so I have 4 Pokemon in my party, and I walk 768 steps (so 3 max repels and 18 steps).
My guess is that I can't use a re-battle code, but I guess that doesn't make sense since I'm hitting the right PID frame. If anyone could help me I'd appreciate it, thanks! ^^
First, I'll ask this: is it possible to RNG stationary legendaries after using a re-battle code?
(I messed up and hit one IV frame in front of my target frame when catching Virizion the first time, so that's why I'm using the code...)
Anyway, I'm using the same exact seed and methods, but I'm getting shit IV's that don't show up in RNG Reporter. I get the right nature, since I guess the PID frame is the same, and I've re-done the math over and over again, and I should be landing my IV frame, but I'm not...
My seed is C02F3D83898D4E0C, my ID is 57769, my target frame is 25, so I have 4 Pokemon in my party, and I walk 768 steps (so 3 max repels and 18 steps).
My guess is that I can't use a re-battle code, but I guess that doesn't make sense since I'm hitting the right PID frame. If anyone could help me I'd appreciate it, thanks! ^^
The map he's in has no interfering NPCs afaik.
Make sure you hit your seed (check it's IVs and see if they are correct), and make sure for yourself that your starting frame is indeed your starting frame. If you adjust it properly, you should get what you want.
I GOT IT! :D
Big thanks to everyone who provided input for this particular RNG project! :)
After taking a short break, I noticed that on the post where I showed the PIDRNG screenshot, I didn't put Synch Nature as Jolly. When I did, RNG Reporter generated a Frame 51 result, which is the one I used to get Axew just now.
But if I didn't have a Syncher, shouldn't the Frame 111 result still work? Very confusing....
It should, but most likely you missed the frame.
On the white encounter table, I think there's an error, or an error in RNG reporter, or something. I was fishing for feebas on route 1, which should be slots 3 and 4. It has only a 5% chance, but fishing in bubbles and relying on luck (60% feebas, 5% milotic) was getting too annoying. When I did a slot 3, it gave me a basculin with correct IVs and correct PID. I figured maybe something was wrong, and decided to try the rarer 4th slot (I notice the higher the slot, the chance of it goes down). First try I did that, it gave me correct IV + PID feebas.
If there are wandering NPCs, I don't think that was an issue as I shifted PIDs with chatots by opening the menu immediately and fishing from the menu, so there should be no NPC interference. Whenever I hit my IV frame, the PID always matched except for the example above.
Edit:
Question: An NPC that has a set patch does nothing to PID frames correct? Namely, the two pokemon outside the daycare center
On the white encounter table, I think there's an error, or an error in RNG reporter, or something. I was fishing for feebas on route 1, which should be slots 3 and 4. It has only a 5% chance, but fishing in bubbles and relying on luck (60% feebas, 5% milotic) was getting too annoying. When I did a slot 3, it gave me a basculin with correct IVs and correct PID. I figured maybe something was wrong, and decided to try the rarer 4th slot (I notice the higher the slot, the chance of it goes down). First try I did that, it gave me correct IV + PID feebas.
If there are wandering NPCs, I don't think that was an issue as I shifted PIDs with chatots by opening the menu immediately and fishing from the menu, so there should be no NPC interference. Whenever I hit my IV frame, the PID always matched except for the example above.
Edit:
Question: An NPC that has a set patch does nothing to PID frames correct? Namely, the two pokemon outside the daycare center
@Kaasoljoyyx, i think the two pokemon outside the daycare center advance the PIDRNG like crazy which is annoying for shinies, but useful if you're not going for shininess
edit: ninjad :P
No, they actually do not advance the PIDRNG frame. NPCs (Pokemon included) with a set path do not advance the PIDRNG frame. That's why, despite the moving Bikers, it's possible to RNG on Route 9 without any unexpected advancements. On Route 3 there are two wandering NPCs which advance the PIDRNG frame (one to the left of the Daycare, and one on the bridge).
o.0 that is good to know, goes to rng more eggs now:D, thanks for the info.
Yeah, as another example, the NPCs only advanced 1 extra frame from the calculated starting frame on this last egg I did, so the Pokemon outside of the daycare couldn't have done anything.
Anyway, does anyone know if the the seasons changing has any effect on the IVs or PIDs? I'm about to RNG Tornadus and just want to know if switching to a different month (if I have to) would matter.
Anyway, does anyone know if the the seasons changing has any effect on the IVs or PIDs? I'm about to RNG Tornadus and just want to know if switching to a different month (if I have to) would matter.
Afaik
IV: No, it won't matter
PID: The rain/snow has a different frame/second advancement. I think though if you save inside the house and come out, the season change doesn't do anything.
I think I found a weird glitch. I am rnging Axew right now in the cave and I am hitting my seed and PID frame right with a ADAMANT synchronizer and its giving me a Naive nature with it but when I don't use my ADAMANT synchronizer I get a bold nature which is what i should get with a synchronizer. Is my synchronizer broken?