Serious Life After Death

What happens once you die?


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Basically, I want to hear your theories and reasoning about what happens once you die. I know they range from the expected to the bizarre, so I feel this thread would be pretty interesting.

Personally, I believe that once you die, there's absolute nothingness. You know that feeling you get before you're born? That's the experience you will feel (or should I say, not feel) when you die. Other theories such as heaven and reincarnation seems nonsensical, and not at all plausible. I find they're just theories to make people feel less depressed, and more hopeful, although falsely.
 
If there really is nothingness, then you won't know because you won't have a conscious mind to interpret the nothingness so I guess I'm ok with that. I don't remember much when I was a baby or obviously before that because I wasn't self aware. I imagine it's the same thing when you die.
 
So when that guy impersonating Jumpman said he was actually Jumpman and lost his password to his account, he wasn't lying! (And that guy was me!)
 
Worth the read. Obviously I don't put stock in it, but it would be pretty cool. It's interesting to think about.

I liked it until the god character started to say that everybody was everybody. Then things kind of got out of hand. To be honest, I hope there isn't an afterlife at all. I think by the time I die I'll be sick of this one. And if there's some heaven and hell stuff like they say in the bible or whatever religious doctrine you adhere to, I'm definitely screwed.
 
I went through a period of my life, circa mid-teens, where the thought of an afterlife (or lack thereof) was seriously distressing me and I was losing so much sleep over it, fretting long into the night over where my loved ones and I would end up some day. Eventually I got sick of it and convinced myself that life was far too short and precious to waste a second of it worrying about what may or may not happen when I no longer have it - I'm reminded of a quote from Troy that I always loved, where Brad Pitt is talking to that chick; 'I'll tell you a secret, something they don't teach you in your temple. The gods envy us. They envy us because we're mortal, because any moment might be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we're doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now, and we will never be here again.' I often remind myself of that and try to live my life with it in mind (failing most of the time of course, this is like my 4000 and something-th post on a Pokemon forum...) For me, I'll be perfectly happy if my only presence after death is in the hearts and minds of people I've managed to inspire and influence and that I'm generally remembered with fondness. Thinking about it on any other level just seems a waste of time and effort and too emotionally draining to justify.
 
I went through a period of my life, circa mid-teens, where the thought of an afterlife (or lack thereof) was seriously distressing me and I was losing so much sleep over it, fretting long into the night over where my loved ones and I would end up some day. Eventually I got sick of it and convinced myself that life was far too short and precious to waste a second of it worrying about what may or may not happen when I no longer have it - I'm reminded of a quote from Troy that I always loved, where Brad Pitt is talking to that chick; 'I'll tell you a secret, something they don't teach you in your temple. The gods envy us. They envy us because we're mortal, because any moment might be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we're doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now, and we will never be here again.' I often remind myself of that and try to live my life with it in mind (failing most of the time of course, this is like my 4000 and something-th post on a Pokemon forum...) For me, I'll be perfectly happy if my only presence after death is in the hearts and minds of people I've managed to inspire and influence and that I'm generally remembered with fondness. Thinking about it on any other level just seems a waste of time and effort and too emotionally draining to justify.

Exactly the same with me, thinking about death and nothingness is very depressing. I so far feel that I'm not living my life to the full, I need to be more adventurous.

I believe in God and some scriptural teachings, and the Bible says that the dead are conscious of nothing so that's what I believe, and have in fact put a lot of thought into drawing this conclusion over my life. This is why I don't fear death at all, in fact I look forward to being conscious of nothing because I will have no stress or worries and that will be glorious. No matter how bad or good someone has been, they die and are conscious of nothing. I do believe some people go to heaven, although I don't know any particular names.

Won't being conscious of nothing become tedious after a while? I'll probably find it very boring pretty quickly, and it would get torturous soon after.
 
I've always thought of being aware of death as being similar to being aware of when you're asleep. There's literally no thoughts that you can be conscious of when you're asleep (when you're not dreaming of course), but when you wake up you know that a good amount of time has passed, depending on how long you slept for. The difference of course is that when you die you never wake up.
 
i actually like the question of what happens when you die, because aside from religious people, literally nobody, not even the most arrogant, intellectually advanced fucktard has any conception of what it's like. (discarding religion here, or maybe not b/c it's based on faith...) just to speculate, i'll say that wouldn't it be interesting if death was actually a good thing?

the absolute worst thing a human can do, in global society, is kill someone. and one of the best things they can do is save someone's life. but we just have these norms because we assume death is bad, even though we have no idea what happens when you die. i guess an argument you could make to counter that would be like, even if you go to some fantastical heaven, you're still deprived of a normal human existence. but still, dying could just bring one to some other plane of existance, or bring humans to where they're "supposed" to be. this life could just be an antechamber! and all the war and disease and pestilence could just be shitty elevator muzak.

it's kind of strangely comforting to think of that fact that other people have died too and have had to deal with this as well lol. the worst possible thing i could imagine, besides going to hell, which i don't believe in, would be to be conscious for eternity and just not be able to move or experience anything. what, besides pain, could possibly be more awful?

regardless, it's interesting to speculate about, considering we can't imagine what nothingness is like. mark twain said "i was dead for a billion years before i was born and it didn't bother me so why should dying" or something, which i think is kind of silly, but relevant here.
 
I don't like the idea of an afterlife at all. When I die, I'd like to actually be dead, and not be alive in some other strange dimension. I don't like the idea of a good and bad afterlife, nor do I want any of the "rewards" that most religions offer to those that follow all of their rules. If there is a definitive life after death, I'd rather be allowed to spend time with the people I love than anything else, but I doubt that such an afterlife truly exists.

EDIT: Also, I really like the post made above me by Pernicious.
 
I belive more in reincarnation, or in another place maybe.... cause theres have to be something more to do.
 
Won't being conscious of nothing become tedious after a while? I'll probably find it very boring pretty quickly, and it would get torturous soon after.

The crux of being conscious of nothing is, well, being conscious of nothing. This includes boredom and pain (both physical and psychic).
 
i actually like the question of what happens when you die, because aside from religious people, literally nobody, not even the most arrogant, intellectually advanced fucktard has any conception of what it's like. (discarding religion here, or maybe not b/c it's based on faith...) just to speculate, i'll say that wouldn't it be interesting if death was actually a good thing?

the absolute worst thing a human can do, in global society, is kill someone. and one of the best things they can do is save someone's life. but we just have these norms because we assume death is bad, even though we have no idea what happens when you die. i guess an argument you could make to counter that would be like, even if you go to some fantastical heaven, you're still deprived of a normal human existence. but still, dying could just bring one to some other plane of existance, or bring humans to where they're "supposed" to be. this life could just be an antechamber! and all the war and disease and pestilence could just be shitty elevator muzak.

There are a lot of really smart people out there, and biologically speaking we know exactly what happens after death. We know how body processes shut down, and all that stuff. I won't rag on anyone's belief in the soul, but how can you say that one "fucktard" hasn't got a good idea of what happens after death? They might not know what it feels like, but I imagine that's highly variable depending on how one dies. As for the second point, I think Hamlet does a good job of summing up why killing people is so bad.

"But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all"
 
One of my various vain 17 year old insights is that nothing is really black-and-white like people make it out to be- everything is a spectrum. There's no point, for example, where you stop becoming a boy and become a man, its more of a process that you never really finish. It's a matter of degree- at one point in your life you are very childish, and then you grow more or less childish over the course of your life. I think death is kinda like that- rather, existence is like that. On the spectrum of existence, living is on one very far extreme and death is on the other. You started off very, very dead, when you were swimming in your dad's testicle, or even before that when you were just some fiber or piece of protein somewhere; and then you became more alive, when you sat in the womb, and you became more alive, when you were born; and at some point your body checks out and you become very dead again. That means that at some point in the very, very far future, the Earth would explode and you would become more dead, or we might figure out how to bring people back to live and you would become significantly less dead. So there's no real distinction between the point we're you're dead, and when you're alive, besides a matter of degree, of intensity of your existence. You never stop existing- matter cannot be destroyed, but you CAN come damn close.

To clarify; people see life and death as black and white, you simply cannot be both, but I don't think that's true. At any point in the process of dying, who can say whether or not you're dead? If I behead somebody, and the head still thinks for a while, I challenge you to pinpoint the exact instant in time in which that head stopped living and became dead. You can't; it's impossible. If somebody dies the old fashioned way, are they dead when they close their eyes, or when they stop breathing, or when their heart stops? Even if their heart is stopped, all the cells in their body probably have ample oxygen to exist for a few more billionths of a second- and not all the cells die at the same rate. How many of your cells have to die for you to be very dead? Nobody knows. All we DO know is that I, right now, am very alive; and at some point in the future I will be very dead, and you can randomly draw a line in the sand for what's alive and what's dead, but it's random. To draw an analogy that we all know- Overused is above 3.41% or whatever the number is, and Underused is below that; but that's just a random number we made up because it's pretty and we like it and we NEEDED a number so that we know what alive or dead or overused or underused, but this concept of harsh distinctions, of black and white, is completely false. The difference, of course, is that the chart of usage for something BL like Staraptor would be "hilly", and have far less severe curves than the graph of my aliveness, which would essentially by a straight, horizontal line, followed by a sharp portion of the graph with a slope of -999 or whatever, followed by another horizontal straight line- but even so, is it at 76 years, 11 months, 13 days, 15 hours, 34 minutes, and 2.5618 seconds after my birth that I died, or 76 years, 11 months, 13 days, 15 hours, 34 minutes and 2.5619 seconds after? Nobody knows.

So, what does any of that have to do with my answer to this question? As many of us know from solving problems in different contexts, if we find a problem that's impossible to solve, it means we're approaching it wrong; the same is happening here. Nobody can reach consensus about what happens in the afterlife because THE AFTERLIFE IS A MYTH. IT IS A HUMAN-MADE PERCEPTION THAT DOES NOT EXIST. You have always been, are right now, and will always be, alive, even, if on a scale of 0-100, your aliveness reading has 4000 zero's followed by a one. So, dying is going to be like a more intense version of sleeping, or being in a coma, or experiencing a near-death experiencing but being brought by the marvel of modern medicine- namely, experiencing nothingness, or more accurately, not experiencing at all. That's what happens when you "die".

But then again, everybody's just an asshole with an opinion, myself included. I'd love to hear yours.
 
There are a lot of really smart people out there, and biologically speaking we know exactly what happens after death. We know how body processes shut down, and all that stuff. I won't rag on anyone's belief in the soul, but how can you say that one "fucktard" hasn't got a good idea of what happens after death? They might not know what it feels like, but I imagine that's highly variable depending on how one dies. As for the second point, I think Hamlet does a good job of summing up why killing people is so bad.

"But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all"

yes, i will clarify, i was referring to people not knowing what happens to human consciousness after death.

i can say that i don't think anyone has any idea of what happens to the human consciousness after death because how could they, really, without dying and coming back to us? if you die and come back to life please send me a PM.

saying the "feeling of death," could refer to either what it feels to die (ie. what it feels like to have your brain shut off or your heart stop or your insides squeezed by an angry octopus) -- in that case i have to say i don't see why knowing that feeling would change how your consciousness behaves after you die, since as far as i know the state you enter after death has nothing to do with how you die. you could be strangled by a drugged up hooker or crushed under the weight of all your own bad posts, you'd still either be floating around unconscious, or going to heaven, or whatever.

if "feeling of death" refers to the actual feeling of being dead, you started your sentence with "they might not know what it feels like." uh...yeah, they might not lol. we can't KNOW whether the feeling of being dead changes or not based on how you die, and just because it changes doesn't make it any less known? i don't really see your point.

as for the second point, obviously killing people is bad and i'm not gonna do it and nobody should do it, etc. that's the point of rank speculation! also shakespeare = another guy who does not know what death is like

smith i am interested in your post but i have to say i don't see it life and death as so fluid. if you're saying that there are these infinitesimal distinctions between life and death that don't MEAN anything, then i'll shut up, but before that i don't think it matters exactly the picosecond when you die. you are either experiencing sentient consciousness or you're not (comas, brain damage, sleeping notwithstanding). life isn't a thing that can be averaged, so if you're alive for 70~ years, then you die, then in the future we find out how to bring people back to life and you live for another 1000 years, you can't say, oh, he was x life units alive the whole time. you were dead for that period that you were dead, no life units about it. just because manhood and boyhood are spectrums doesn't mean something biological is one (and at a certain point you are, indubitably, a man, so it doesn't totally check out anyway). then again it would be pretty hypocritical of me to say "we can't knoooooowwww" about the afterlife and also say "omg you're totally dead not even .000000001 x 10 to the tenth of life units left in ya, i am super positive about this " so i guess i can't totally disagree. i just dislike these wide generalizations about like, wow the universe is so vast and amazing and one time human life is encapsulated in the breath of a star five billion miles from us and we are all one! like...that doesn't mean anything ok!!

edit: hahahaha i don't mean to derail anything but this joke reminds me a lot of this
So when that guy impersonating Jumpman said he was actually Jumpman and lost his password to his account, he wasn't lying! (And that guy was me!)

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I'm going to be immortalized by friends and family of friends. In no right am I ever going to die :)
 
yes, i will clarify, i was referring to people not knowing what happens to human consciousness after death.

i can say that i don't think anyone has any idea of what happens to the human consciousness after death because how could they, really, without dying and coming back to us? if you die and come back to life please send me a PM.

The Human Consciousness Project.

"The Human Consciousness Project will conduct the world’s first large-scale scientific study of what happens when we die and the relationship between mind and brain during clinical death."

It might not be done, but it's not out of reach.

saying the "feeling of death," could refer to either what it feels to die (ie. what it feels like to have your brain shut off or your heart stop or your insides squeezed by an angry octopus) -- in that case i have to say i don't see why knowing that feeling would change how your consciousness behaves after you die, since as far as i know the state you enter after death has nothing to do with how you die. you could be strangled by a drugged up hooker or crushed under the weight of all your own bad posts, you'd still either be floating around unconscious, or going to heaven, or whatever.

Well I was talking about the experience of dying, not the experience of being dead. I guess I misunderstood your post, but see above.

as for the second point, obviously killing people is bad and i'm not gonna do it and nobody should do it, etc. that's the point of rank speculation! also shakespeare = another guy who does not know what death is like

This was responding to why death is not seen, and will probably never been seen, as a good thing by most societies, not really addressing what happens after death.


This is my favorite post in the thread.
 
Won't being conscious of nothing become tedious after a while? I'll probably find it very boring pretty quickly, and it would get torturous soon after.
seems you didn't understand what being "conscious of nothing" means. to put it poetically: it's whatever space you are in shrunk to a single point and whatever time you are in shrunk to an instant.
(or maybe time is expanded to eternity, but that reminds me of the theory of relativity and how we're all actually little light speed particles that float through everything and nothing at once)
of course, nobody understands "consciousness of nothing". you aren't feeling, thinking, perceiving anything, you are simply dead. the very concept of absolute nothingness is simply out of reach for human imagination. pernicious has elaborated this above.

I've always thought of being aware of death as being similar to being aware of when you're asleep. There's literally no thoughts that you can be conscious of when you're asleep (when you're not dreaming of course), but when you wake up you know that a good amount of time has passed, depending on how long you slept for.
that essentially brings up the question of this topic: when/why/where/how do you wake up? do you even wake up at all? what do you remember of your dreams? those are all very interesting questions, but (luckily for me?) i'm a rather simple person who doesn't think/worry about these kinds of things much. i'll still give it a try:

i haven't made my mind up at all, but i find the concept of reincarnation enticing (though i don't believe in it). that's because it's easy to imagine: you start a new life, forget about your old one, and everyone's happy. but what happens when humanity inevitably dies out? do we fade into nothingness (as i talked about earlier) or do we enter some sort of world that is detached from our universe? reincarnation doesn't give us an answer to that; thus, it isn't complete.
even concerning that "other world", what do we know about it? is it another universe where everything develops anew? is it heaven or hell? in either event, i can give one certain answer: it's unimaginable. whether it is the concept of eternity, or nothingness, or the end of time, you cannot imagine it. that's the greatest degree of certainty we could have on this question.

i realise that my post didn't go anywhere (neither does this topic), but that's not a bad thing. thinking about this topic for the sake of thinking is satisfactory enough, and realising that there is no answer is what makes the question of the afterlife so interesting.

btw @ ace emerald: that link in your first post was really cool, interesting and uncanny in its own way.

(i should also do something about my posting speed, as ten posts have been posted since i meant to post mine)
 
The Human Consciousness Project.

"The Human Consciousness Project will conduct the world’s first large-scale scientific study of what happens when we die and the relationship between mind and brain during clinical death."
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this is actually really cool!

uh maybe i'll read this and then edit with thoughts

it's an interesting question -- if we did unlock the pwr of immortality, how could human ethics and behavior change, blah blah blah
 
I'm going to be immortalized by friends and family of friends. In no right am I ever going to die :)

Until your friends and family are dead. My views on death are largely nihilistic. Once you die nothing happens("spiritually"). You just decompose and what ever energy that was in your body goes back into the earth.
However, I think there's a possibility that if an individual has a strong enough emotional attachment to this world, then whatever energy that was in the body will manifest itself as the person's will. Kind of like a "ghost". It's just a theory, and until we can measure abnormal energy levels per square inch in the atmosphere, I don't think it can be proven. Something to think about~
 
I think that there's some life after death. You don't go to heaven or hell. You simply go to "the universe". If there's reincarnation, you don't born again as the same person... My beliefs about life after death are like those from Buddhism: you can in fact reborn again, but you are never going to be the same person.

Personally I think that this is in no way reason to find a way to heaven, if you know what I mean. Even if there's a possible life after death, you must enjoy your current life, because if there's no life after death, at least your life will not be a total waste of time.
 
Has anyone ever thought about the nature of knowledge? Ive come to the conclusion that we take everything on faith -- that science works, what we feel is actually what we feel, and what we see is actually what we see, etc. etc., with one faith leading to another faith, or a piece of knowledge based on the first, ie. there are laws that tend to repeat themselves ---> I can use a method to figure out things using those laws ---> science works, and I only believe what it tells me, or what logic does, or something in that sort of sequence. (not meant to be derogatory, sorry if it seems that way)

Is there really proof for anything? Is a fact -- a knowing -- just an incredibly strong piece of faith, and what happens when we change our beliefs?

The only perspective I've ever known -- and again, im taking this on faith -- is my own. What if the world, no, the structure of the universe and the universe itself, is an incredibly strong faith within me, with many parts subject to change?

I find that thought quite fun to have. It really makes me think and feel like I could be more magnificent than my wildest dreams, more helpful and more pleasurable than anything I could ever imagine. Where the ineffable becomes the explainable, and where paradoxes vanish.

Do you want to live in a loving universe for all eternity? Exploring yourself and being omnipotent and having more fun than you could ever imagine? Go for it, or any other thing you want. Do you not want to go through the effort if rewriting eveyr belief, and just want to not worry and have everything taken care of perfectly? Go for that, believe that will happen.

You wanna know what I think happens? I'm not gonna die. There's not gonna be an afterlife, it's gonna be a duringlife. I'm gonna go see heaven at some point in the near or far future, and I may even decide to stay there for all eternity, or go to an even more fun, dynamic realm of existence. Every moment of my existence has been and always will be eternally making things better for myself, and every other part of existence. It's all just one big play-ground. It wouldn't be here if it weren't meant for fun.

I can have faith in anything at all, so that is what I have faith in, and even greater things. It's all taken on faith, I've found. I believe that I can create the most beautiful life for myself and others by believing I can or that am already there in it and it just keeps getting better and better. It seems that faith is all we really have. I know for a fact that these things and greater will happen to me, 100%.
 
I once had this theory where my perceptive of the world was completely different to every other person, and every person experiences this as well. Not just your viewpoints, but what's being said, and actions. For example, what I've typed know could be completely different to how you're reading this. If I type the phrase "the snowman is white", you read it as "the caterpillar is green", or something, which makes typing this out basically pointless, as it is read differently by everybody else. And if you type, "No Eagle4 we're reading what you're reading", that is what I'm seeing, and you're seeing something entirely different. Actions too; you punch somebody and they fall down, but the victim could see it as you're hugging the person. The person who is down and has a cut won't be down and have a cut in his vision.

Look, it's really hard to explain, and if my theory is right, than it's pointless explaining too.

Just something I thought I'd share with you, as there isn't a thread for "theories about life". Remember though, this theory means that what somebody sees is what somebody else sees differently.

God my head is hurting.
 
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